Adams arrested over 1972 murder

[Dedworth]

Sinn Fein leader held in connection with 1972 murder of Jean McConville, one of the so-called 'Disappeared' of the Northern Ireland Troubles, and whose body remained undiscovered until 2003

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/northernireland/10799940/Gerry-Adams-arrested-over-1972-murder-of-Jean-McConville.html

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[Michael Parnham]

I always used to wonder when they would catch up with him, I believe he was responsible for a lot more atrocities!:Erm:

[tiger31]

I believe him and Mcguiness if not directly involved definitely know who was.

[andy222]

100% proof is needed or I can see another big pay out in regards compensation.

[les_taxi]

Although I'm sure he has blood on his hands.
Against my normal morals on this, if he was convicted I'm sure the IRA would be back with a vengeance.

[johncar54]

In general I am against prosecutions being brought for very old cases.

I would suspect (and hope) there is substantial evidence to justify his detention, and I just hope the police investigation is sound, so that if he goes to court, it does not get thrown out at the first hurdle.

[tiger31]

In general I am against prosecutions being brought for very old cases.

I would suspect (and hope) there is substantial evidence to justify his detention, and I just hope the police investigation is sound, so that if he goes to court, it does not get thrown out at the first hurdle.

well hopefully he gets sent down now that audio tapes have surfaced which were not meant to be revealed until they all died ,good ol american judges to thank for that.looks like he ordered the shooting.

[johncar54]

" In an interview published posthumously, Adams's former comrade and close friend, the late Belfast IRA commander Brendan Hughes, alleged that the future Sinn Féin president gave the order for Jean McConville to be "disappeared" by a specialist IRA unit that the future Sinn Féin chief set up to weed out informers within the nationalist community in the city. Adams has denied not only being involved in the McConville murder but that he was ever a member of the IRA."

That does not amount to evidence again Adams, only suspicion. Hughes could have been lying.

[tiger31]

" In an interview published posthumously, Adams's former comrade and close friend, the late Belfast IRA commander Brendan Hughes, alleged that the future Sinn Féin president gave the order for Jean McConville to be "disappeared" by a specialist IRA unit that the future Sinn Féin chief set up to weed out informers within the nationalist community in the city. Adams has denied not only being involved in the McConville murder but that he was ever a member of the IRA."


That does not amount to evidence again Adams, only suspicion. Hughes could a been lying.

Well the kids that were left behind know who the killers are as they were too afraid to speak out in the past but not now, so I,m sure the killers, the ones that are still alive, will start squealing on each other and the truth will come out. I am more interested in McGuinesss,s role, the one that shook the Queen,s hand in all this.

[Michael Parnham]

Well the kids that were left behind know who the killers are as they were too afraid to speak out in the past but not now, so i,m sure the killers, the ones that are still alive, will start squealing on each other and the truth will come out. I am more interested in McGuiness,s role, the one that shook the Queen,s hand, in all this.

I agree with everything you say Brian! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[johncar54]

I would suspect (and hope) there is substantial evidence to justify his detention, and I just hope the police investigation is sound, so that if he goes to court, it does not get thrown out at the first hurdle.

Well unless they have some 'hard evidence' which of course we cannot know at the moment whether they do or don't, I cannot believe that anyone after this length of time will 'put hands up'.

Eye witnesses at the time would make good witnesses, but with the passing of so much time since the crime, and the age of the potential witnesses at the time, they will still have to go some to obtain a guilty verdict.

[gWaPito]

The IRA would be back with a vengeance.

They never went away. Even the son who witnessed his mam being taken said himself yesterday on the radio, he knows their names but won't speak out for fear of his own family's welfare. Be it splinter groups, of which many have doubts, the Irish Republican Army are alive and well

[gWaPito]

I am more interested in McGuinesss,s role, the one that shook the Queen,s hand in all this.
Let's hope the one being held at Her Majesty's pleasure, sings like a canary.

[gWaPito]

In general I am against prosecutions being brought for very old cases.

Just as well you are not a victim like all the other countless families who's lost loved ones in these awful troubles.

Imagine going to bed night after night. ..year after year not knowing whether your son daughter mother or dad was alive or dead.

That's ok because our experienced man here from that fine Metropolitan Police department says he's against bringing prosecutions in old cases. :NoNo::doh

[Arthur Little]

Imagine going to bed night after night. ..year after year not knowing whether your son daughter mother or dad was alive or dead.

God forbid! But, if I were ever to find myself in that awful position involving any of my family ... :23_116_6[1]: I'd hunt out the culprits, perpetrators (or whoever) with every fibre of my being - regardless as to how long it took - until justice was served.

[bigmarco]

Perhaps he'll end up sharing a cell with his sick Paedo brother who abused and raped his own daughter from the age of 4 :cwm23:

[fred]

I read about the history of the Boston tapes a few days ago when I heard the news.. Very interesting.
http://chronicle.com/article/Secrets-from-Belfast/144059/

[tiger31]

God forbid! But, if I were ever to find myself in that awful position involving any of my family ... :23_116_6[1]: I'd hunt out the culprits, perpetrators (or whoever) with every fibre of my being - regardless as to how long it took - until justice was served.
:appl: Me too

[johncar54]

Just as well you are not a victim like all the other countless families who's lost loved ones in these awful troubles.



Don't be so presumptuous, I lost family there too but I do not wish to air that here.

And just so that you know, my brother was murdered in UK, so don't waste your time thinking that I speak only as a former police officer (on a few occasions risking my life, and for 30 years putting my family second, to assist people like you). And just like you, I too have always been a member of the real world. So if you don't mind I, and I am sure all the other officers and former officers, would appreciate it if you would stick to discussing the thread and stop degrading yourself with your cheap jibes.

[tiger31]

In general I am against prosecutions being brought for very old cases.

I would suspect (and hope) there is substantial evidence to justify his detention, and I just hope the police investigation is sound, so that if he goes to court, it does not get thrown out at the first hurdle.

John, it,s in comments like yours that the public lose faith in police officers. A crime is a crime it does not matter how long ago it was committed it should always be chased down for as long as it takes. Max Clifford,s a classic example, someone who thought because he was a high profile geezer nobody could touch him. Another thing that :censored: off the public, if you,re a victim of burglary the damn police don,t even bother coming out no more. You,re just given a crime number coz it,s too much bother for them.

[johncar54]

John, it,s in comments like yours that the public lose faith in police officers. A crime is a crime it does not matter how long ago it was committed, it should always be chased down for as long as it takes. Max Clifford,s a classic example, someone who thought because he was a high profile geezer nobody could touch him. Another thing that pisses off the public if you,re a victim of burglary, the damn police don,t even bother coming out no more. You,re just given a crime number coz it,s too much bother for them.

Firstly, I am not a police officer now. I was for 30 years and have now been retired for almost as long, so what I say is not based just on once being a police officer, but on my whole life.

You might just as well say that my posts are because I am a man, or 74 yrs old, an engineer, have a Filipino wife, live in Spain, ride a racing bike, ride a motorcycle, drive a car, that my brother was murdered, that I have disappeared relatives in Ireland, that I have dual nationality etc. etc.

What I post is based, just like everybody else, on my life's experiences.

As a private citizen I would appreciate it if the police spent their time and our money, on matters that are more relevant to the every day life of victims of crime and on the prevention of crime. As you say maybe investigating more burglaries.

An example of wasting resources. I have just sent yet another email about info I gave regarding elderly male twins who committed suicide, one of whom, after his death, I believed may been paedophile whom I suspected the UK police might be investigating. I contacted the JS enquiry to tell them they were dead so if they were seeking them they could save time and money on a 'dead end.' Since then I have had about 10 calls / emails following up my info. So much for my efforts to save a waste of police time.


As you mentioned the lack of attention when say a burglary is committed.

Before I retired a lot of police time was wasted appearing to investigate crimes which were from the outset probably unsolvable. Whilst the victims were maybe impressed that police were doing something, in effect they were not doing anything but give an impression.

A high level decision was taken that time should be concentrated on crimes which had a reasonable chance of resolution, as the criminals caught would logically also have been responsible for many of the unsolvable crimes.

I have no personal experience whether time has proved that to be correct or not, but I suspect it has.


A crime is a crime it does not matter how long ago it was committed it should always be chased down for as long as it takes

I agree but if the perpetrator is dead, continuing to throw public money at an investigation, which will go nowhere, seems like a waste of money to me as a taxpayer (incidentally, it would too if I were still a detective).

[gWaPito]

What I post is based on my life's experiences.

if the perpetrator is dead, continuing to throw public money at an investigation, which will go nowhere, seems like a waste of money to me as a taxpayer (incidentally, it would too if I were still a detective).

This is what I'm basing my posts on, life experiences.

Who says the guy who pulled the trigger is dead? The guy who gave the order is just as guilty, if not more so.



''Just as well you are not a victim like all the other countless families who's lost loved ones in these awful troubles.
Imagine going to bed night after night. ..year after year not knowing whether your son daughter mother or dad was alive or dead.

That's OK because our experienced man here from that fine Metropolitan Police department says he's against bringing prosecutions in old cases. :NoNo::doh ''


Would you mind pointing out the cheap jibes and self degradation ?. All I see is you giving it the mother superior

[grahamw48]

Since we're told that most burglaries are drug-related (indeed a lot of crime generally), I think it's about time that some common sense was brought to bear.

When caught, these thieving, useless little toerags should be jailed in solitary confinement without access to drugs, whether smuggled in through our USELESS prison system or otherwise obtained, until such a time as they are no longer drug-dependent.

After that they should be banned from associating with their fellow toe-rag junkie mates, and given a job of work to do.

Back to drugs ? Back inside.

Society shouldn't have to tolerate these scumbags. :mad:

[Dedworth]

I'd hang them Graham - a cost effective permanent solution to drug related crime

[Arthur Little]

I'd hang them Graham - a cost effective permanent solution to drug related crime

So would I ... well ... :cwm25: ... the dealers, anyway!!!

[Dedworth]

So would I ... well ... :cwm25: ... the dealers, anyway!!!

My parents house was twice burgled and defiled by junkies in the 80's - things have deteriorated since then. I'd like a policy of 3 strikes and you're dead for drug related crimes. The savings to the public purse would be massive

[andy222]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27278039. Hmmm

[Arthur Little]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27278039. Hmmm

Ah yes, :cwm25: ... Adams has been released without charge!

[tiger31]

The mere fact that they have been questioning for 4 days means they have plenty of evidence, but whether it will stick in court or not is the key question. He was always their political advisor but left the dirty work to their foot soldiers. I believe the family will get justice in the end. It just needs one guy brave enough to break ranks and give evidence.