Fracking licences to be granted by government

[Dedworth]

The government has opened the bidding process for new licences to extract shale gas, using the controversial fracking process.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28513036

Lets get a fracking move on so we aren't held to ransom by the muslim arabs & russians, cheaper gas of course is a pipe dream

[les_taxi]

Yes and build more nuclear power stations too.

[grahamw48]

Fracking great idea.

We need more 'in-house' energy resources. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

Yes and build more *nuclear power stations too.

:reaction: ... haven't we more than enough of *these already? :cwm24:

[les_taxi]

They only provide small amount so we will need more in the future. One day there will be no oil or gas left.

[Arthur Little]

They only provide small amount so we will need more in the future. One day there will be no oil or gas left.

:icon_rolleyes: ... on second thoughts, you''re probably right, Les!

[Michael Parnham]

:icon_rolleyes: ... on second thoughts, you''re probably right, Les!

I would imagine long term Solar power and Ocean power will be the way of the future but still a lot to be done yet! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[les_taxi]

I would imagine long term Solar power and Ocean power will be the way of the future but still a lot to be done yet! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

They don't have enough oomph really tho and as much as the nuclear option is undesirable it will no doubt have to be relied upon more and more.

[Dedworth]

It's a joke that we are buying French nuclear generated electricity because we don't have enough nuke stations of our own

[andy222]

Well that bore of an Energy Minister reckons we will potentially get cheaper energy. (potentially). :NoNo:

[grahamw48]

I'm hoping my son may get Fracking employment opportunities. :smile:

[les_taxi]

Well that bore of an Energy Minister reckons we will potentially get cheaper energy. (potentially). :NoNo:

I don't think we will ever get cheaper - we just need another source.

[Longweekend]

In an ideal world wave and wind power would be great - but unfortunately we don't live in that world - so until then it's fracking for me.....:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[les_taxi]

If coal mining had just been discovered people would be up in arms saying it would ruin the landscape and cause earthquakes :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

Well that bore of an Energy Minister reckons we will potentially get cheaper energy. (potentially). :NoNo:

Andy, can you remind us who was the A Hole Energy & Climate Change Minister responsible for ramping up energy prices with green and carbon taxes ?

[andy222]

It was the Tories who let the prices soar. Spineless. Don't worry, our Caroline will put it right next year. :wink: As for the fracking I wonder how many Tory MPs have got their fingers in the pie?

[Dedworth]

Dont worry our Caroline will put it right next year. :wink:

Would that be Caroline - Expenses Cheat ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5293149/Caroline-Flint-claimed-14000-for-fees-for-new-flat-MPs-expenses.html

And the same Caroline who dismisses green taxes as only £120 per year

Caroline Flint claimed in her response to Ed Davey’s energy statement that green taxes and levies “only” costs households £120 a year. Only £120?

Easy for someone to afford on MP’s salary, with a Minister’s pension and expenses to bung bills on, but talk about the mask slipping…

Only £120?

http://www.networkedblogs.com/QBTva

And the same Caroline who employs her husband on £39k pa of taxpayers money

A Labour trough feeder of the highest order - pass the puke bucket http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/funny/1/vomit.gif

You still haven't enlightened us as to the identity of that Energy Minister Andy :Erm:

[Arthur Little]

Would that be Caroline - Expenses Cheat ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5293149/Caroline-Flint-claimed-14000-for-fees-for-new-flat-MPs-expenses.html

And the same Caroline who dismisses green taxes as only £120 per year

Caroline Flint claimed in her response to Ed Davey’s energy statement that green taxes and levies “only” costs households £120 a year. Only £120?

Easy for someone to afford on MP’s salary, with a Minister’s pension and expenses to bung bills on, but talk about the mask slipping…

Only £120?

http://www.networkedblogs.com/QBTva

And the same Caroline who employs her husband on £39k pa of taxpayers money

A Labour trough feeder of the highest order - pass the puke bucket http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/funny/1/vomit.gif

You still haven't enlightened us as to the identity of that Energy Minister Andy :Erm:

:iagree: Flint may be a thick-skinned bint ...

.................................. :yeahthat: ... but one thing she clearly cannot claim being a [I]skint Flint! :NoNo:

[Dedworth]

Absolutely Arthur - she's remembered everything Blair taught her and got her ugly, greedy snout wedged firmly in the trough

[fred]

They don't have enough oomph really tho and as much as the nuclear option is undesirable it will no doubt have to be relied upon more and more.

That's not really accurate Les.

Germany produce nearly 30% of their power via Solar and renewable energy and hold the world record at about 25 giga watts (OOMPH!!)..

They seem on target to completely phase out nuclear power by 2022 whilst the UK look at fracking!!

Who won the war again?


During the first six months of 2014, almost 31% of German electric power came from renewable sources, mainly wind, biogas and solar; this was more than came from brown coal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Germany

[Michael Parnham]

They don't have enough oomph really tho and as much as the nuclear option is undesirable it will no doubt have to be relied upon more and more.

The worrying thing about Nuclear energy is the disposing of the waste and it's long term effects:Erm:

[les_taxi]

Can't see how they will ever get near 100% which is what they will need one day.As they currently import fuel from Russia-that could go tits up too.Once Fracking is done with the amount of wind turbines needed to supply the country would be ridiculous-they give a poor return and also same with Solar.If it aint windy and sunny we would be shafted. Nuclear makes sense.

[grahamw48]

(With Energy Efficiency Surveyor for 37 yrs hat on).

There would be no need for ANY extra power-generation if individuals and industry weren't so damned wasteful ! :doh

[lordna]

Thats not really accurate Les.

Germany produce nearly 30% of their power via Solar and renewable energy and hold the world record at about 25 giga watts (OOMPH!!)..

They seem on target to completely phase out nuclear power by 2022 whilst the UK look at fracking!!

Who won the war again?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Germany

Great post Fred! I was just reading all the comments on this thread and about to research the Germans having remembered their commitment to renewable sources but gladly you beat me to it!

Personally I am not a fan of Nuclear or Fracking.

[les_taxi]

I'm not a fan but think a combination of all listed will be needed.

[Michael Parnham]

Great post Fred! I was just reading all the comments on this thread and about to research the Germans having remembered their commitment to renewable sources but gladly you beat me to it!

Personally I am not a fan of Nuclear or Fracking.

Neither am I! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

The worrying thing about Nuclear energy is the disposing of the waste and it's long term effects :Erm:

:gp:, Michael ... :yeahthat:'s what worries me too ... many's the (previously unspoilt) remote Scottish beauty spot that has been contaminated by the reckless dumping of nuclear waste.

[grahamw48]

Not to mention old mattresses and fridges. :biggrin:

[andy222]

Absolutely Arthur - she's remembered everything Blair taught her and got her ugly, greedy snout wedged firmly in the trough

Who was the Immigration Minister that hired an illegal? We can go on and on about the past Ded. You are fighting a good campaign on behalf of the Tories. It's a pity they are going to lose :biggrin:. After all, they didn't win the last election outright and more people will vote this time. Firemen, police, teachers, who have lost out on pensions. NHS workers and those hit by the bedroom tax. Oh, and then there are the disabled that this government have punished. I think that will do for starters. :wink:

And do you think pensioners are better off? I doubt it. :icon_lol:

Back on the subject of fracking, you will find there are a lot of people against that too.

[Dedworth]

Who was the Immigration Minister that hired an illegal? We can go on and on about the past Ded. You are fighting a good campaign on behalf of the Tories. It's a pity they are going to lose :biggrin: After all, they didn't win the last election outright and more people will vote this time. Firemen, police, teachers, who have lost out on pensions. NHS workers and those hit by the bedroom tax. Oh, and then there are the disabled that this government have punished. I think that will do for starters. :wink:

And do you think pensioners are better off? I doubt it. :icon_lol:

Back on the subject of fracking, you will find there are a lot of people against that too.


Andy Topic is Energy - you are correct in post 16 talking about the Shadow Minister Caroline :xxgrinning--00xx3: but as usual here you then fail to respond to the points I made (about your 16) and just start the usual anti-Tory rant. So please, please let's hear about the credibility of the trough feeding Shadow Minister and for the third time let's have the name of the inadequate who imposed these green and carbon taxes in the first place

[andy222]

I am anti-Tory through and through. Obviously you have forgotten who the Immigration Minister is (Harper was his name. That's if you want to talk about credibility. I thought fracking was on the subject of energy? :wink: There wouldn't be any need for the fracking if this government didn't sell off our North Sea oil and gas. :biggrin:

Caroline will do alright. Oh, and on the subject of carbon taxes, I believe bungling Boris is going to put an extra charge on diesel vehicles? Am I right?

[Dedworth]

Fourth time of asking Andy name of the Labour Minister who introduced Green and Carbon taxes on energy - I know it's very difficult for you so here's a clue, he looks like this

http://media.au.timeout.com/contentFiles/image/melbourne/museum/wallace-482x298.jpg

You can always phone a friend, but please stop the avoiding game its boring, if you want more clues you only have to ask.

By the way North Sea oil has been in decline for years 1999 it peaked at 398 million barrels and declined to 220 million barrels in 2007, what were Labour doing in that time to encourage investment and exploration ?

[andy222]

This government is still selling it off. I haven't seen the Tories bring the green and carbon taxes down. Have you?. Instead, Boris is putting more on.

[Dedworth]

After 4 polite requests Andy do we take it as a refusal to answer or simply that you do not know the shysters identity ?

[andy222]

I haven't got a clue who it was Ded. Maybe you can enlighten me seeing as you refused to answer who that rat eyed Immigration Minister was. :biggrin:

[Dedworth]

Maybe you'd better sleep on it Andy, I won't be lengthening this thread further by answering puerile points that have naff all to do with the topic under debate. Last clue the former Labour Enegry Minister (on topic get it ?) has a brother who also looks a dickhead in photos :-

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Conservative+Party+Annual+Conference+Day+Two+0yOu3wfxs11l.jpg

[andy222]

You're entitled to your opinion Ded. Maybe I will be asking you a few questions after Labour win the next Election. Like, where did the Tories go wrong? :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

Ah yes.

Then Labour can continue even more rapidly on the downward spiral. :NoNo:

[les_taxi]

Maybe I will be asking you a few questions after Labour win the next Election

That's looking far less likely, but putting whichever party you support to one side - treating it as a financial issue, who would you trust more - the accountant who lost the country billions,or the one picking up the broken pieces and has restored the GDP to what it was before the crash.

It's a financial no-brainer.

[andy222]

You speak for yourself, Les. Like I said the majority of people are worse off. People want money in their pockets to have a decent life. They won't have that if the Tories get in and people know that. You will see. :wink:

[les_taxi]

Like I said the majority of people are worse off
Yep created by the last labour goverment:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[lordna]

Press Statement, 1st August 2014
The High Court has today confirmed the grant of permission for the Frack Free Balcombe Residents Association (FFBRA) to challenge the decision by West Sussex County Council to grant planning permission to Cuadrilla, to undertake works at Lower Stumble in Balcombe.
The judicial review will now take place in the High Court over two days later this year.
It is the latest stage of a legal battle against unconventional oil and gas in the village of Balcombe in West Sussex, by Cuadrilla Balcombe Limited.
Cuadrilla who previously had permission to frack for oil and gas at the site were granted permission from West Sussex County Council in May 2014 to return.
According to the new application, permission was sought for exploration and appraisal of the recently drilled "hydrocarbon lateral borehole" together with a new 14 metre high flare on the site.
Despite massive objection to the development, the application received 889 objections and 9 in support, permission was granted and work can now resume at the site.
Lawyers, Leigh Day, who are representing FFBRA, initiated the judicial review process citing a number of objections to the decision to grant planning permission and detailed repeated unsatisfactory communications with Cuadrilla Balcombe Limited.
In response to one letter from the law firm, asking for information about the likely timetable for the development, Cuadrilla replied: "At this stage we do not consider it appropriate for our confidential business plans and work schedules to be disclosed to you or your clients."
A pre-action letter was sent on 16 May 2014 to the Council and copied to Cuadrilla setting out the ways in which FFBRA considered the planning permission to be unlawful.
These include objections to Cuadrilla's conduct during the operation of its previous activities in Balcombe including allegations of non-compliance with conditions in the past.
The grounds of claim also consider the relevance of the scale of local opposition and alleges that the Council's' insistence that the number of
representations in opposition was 'not a material consideration' as being 'simply wrong in law'.
Charles Metcalfe, Chairman of FFBRA said:
"This is brilliant news for the Frack Free Balcombe Residents Association. We and our lawyers Leigh Day have worked very hard to challenge the legality of WSCC's planning permission to Cuadrilla. Unconventional Gas and Oil exploration is dangerous, dirty and the wrong path to take."
Ugo Hayter from the human rights team at law firm Leigh Day, which is representing FFBRA, said:
"We're very pleased that the High Court has agreed for this to go to a full judicial review hearing as we believe this planning permission has been granted unlawfully and flies in the face of overwhelming community opposition."
Sue Taylor, Balcombe resident and campaigner, said:
"This planning consent sets a dangerous precedent that the concerns of the local community can be ignored even though it is their health and safety that is at risk. Flaring from oil wells close to residential area poses an unacceptable threat to human health."

[joebloggs]

And the gov says it's safe :NoNo:


Fracked off - natural gas victims flee Colorado's toxic air


Scientists in Colorado are publishing alarming studies that show gas wells harm those living in close proximity, and dozens of stories stretching back over a decade have documented the ill effects of natural gas drilling on Colorado's citizens.

http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2535304/fracked_off_natural_gas_victims_flee_colorados_toxic_air.html

[les_taxi]

The world is unsafe-don't worry before it runs out we will have had a war and will be mutants fighting for scraps of food:icon_lol:

[grahamw48]

Yes, reminds me of the fallout from the ICI chemical plant in Middlesbrough. :cwm25:


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