Home Office ordered to pay £224m to e-Borders firm

[Terpe]

The Home Office has been told to pay £224m to a major US corporation it sacked for failing to deliver a controversial secure borders programme.

More here:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28840966

[Dedworth]

A disgrace - how many multi zillion pound IT projects have successive govts screwed up on? These companies are laughing all the way to the bank :mad:

[Terpe]

Totally agree Dedworth

Complete lack of understanding and control from from beginning to end.

Where are the penalties for schedule timing and compliance?

[Dedworth]

Totally agree Dedworth

Complete lack of understanding and control from from beginning to end.

Where are the penalties for schedule timing and compliance?

You never hear of the Civil Servants responsible for dreaming up and overseeing these doomed projects being given their P45's - it's MBEs, promotions and bonuses all round.

Another occupation guaranteeing job security with a fat early pension at the end of it.

[Terpe]

You never hear of the Civil Servants responsible for dreaming up and overseeing these doomed projects being given their P45's it's MBEs, promotions and bonuses all round

As a retired Civil Servant I've personally witnessed such things first hand.

Very frustrating!

[andy222]

But on this account the buck stops with Ded's mate Mrs May. :biggrin:

[SimonH]

But on this account the buck stops with Deds mate Mrs May.:biggrin:


Oh for :censored:'s sake, here we go again :doh

This really is getting quite boring :NEW5:


To save pointing out the obvious, why not try reading the whole article :ReadIt:

[andy222]

Who ended the contract?

[SimonH]

Andy, and no doubt all the Labour cronies on here, miss the point that the contract was awarded to a US company. Talk about jobs for Blair's boys :cwm25:

The socialists on here are always moaning about how the Tories give contracts to foreign companies and this is proof that it happened under Labour as well.

I can't wait to see the denials that Labour were even in power in 2007. :crazy:

Simple analogy, if your car costs more to fix than to replace you buy a new one :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

Andy, and no doubt all the labour cronies on here miss the point that the contract was awarded to a US company. Talk about jobs for Blair's boys :cwm25:

The socialists on here always moaning about how the Tories give contracts to foreign companies and this is proof that it happened under Labour as well.

I can't wait to see the denials that Labour were even in power in 2007. :crazy:

Simple analogy, if your car costs more to fix than to replace you buy a new one :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Andy, the Tories' cronies on here cant get their 'facts' right, it wasn't awarded to an American company, it was awarded to a consortium led by Raytheon which included Serco (a British company), QinetiQ (a British company), Detica (a British company) Accenture and Capgemini.

As for jobs for Blair boys, tell me SimonH, as you know so much about this, what % of the work was carried out in the UK :wink:

[SimonH]

To save me wasting my time Joe, why don't you post a link to that info, there's a good chap :biggrin:

[joebloggs]

Well you learnt something today :biggrin:

Not jobs for Blair's boys, but British boys :xxgrinning--00xx3:


Ninety-five percent of the work will be carried out in the UK.

http://www.statewatch.org/news/2007/dec/uk-trusted-borders-ho-project.pdf

[SimonH]

Nice find Joe :biggrin:

This explains it in a bit more detail though :wink:

http://www.qinetiq.com/media/news/releases/Pages/trusted-borders-signs-contract-for-e-borders.aspx


Of course 95% of the work will be carried out over here, they were contracting for the UKBA :icon_lol:

[joebloggs]

Nice find Joe :biggrin:

This explains it in a bit more detail though :wink:

http://www.qinetiq.com/media/news/releases/Pages/trusted-borders-signs-contract-for-e-borders.aspx


Of course 95% of the work will be carried out over here, they were contracting for the UKBA :icon_lol:

I've seen that link already, QinetiQ - as I've already posted - is a British company NOT American :biggrin:

[SimonH]

From the link:-


Under the e-Borders programme, QinetiQ will be responsible for security accreditation and human factors. QinetiQ, the international defence and security technology company, is a specialist in designing customer-facing processes and secure systems that comply with UK Government requirements. For example, it has developed and runs Borderwatch, which detects stowaways in vehicles, for the Department for Transport.

[joebloggs]

QinetiQ - recruitment agency? :laugher:

Qinetiq is a British multinational defence technology company head-quartered in Farnborough

I don't think you're talking English more like Double Dutch :icon_lol:

So what did Raytheon UK do? As 95% of the work was done in the UK :NEW5:

[Dedworth]

Whether companies are British or not is a moot point - Andy is still trying to understand the current ownership of Rolls Royce Cars and Rolls Royce Aero Engines.

Am I correct in thinking Labour were in Govt in 2001 ? That's when another piece of family silver was sold off to their chums in the square mile......
.........................Qinetiq

Some of their other mates did rather nicely out of the deal :-

In November 2007, the NAO reported that taxpayers could have gained "tens of millions" more and was critical of the incentive scheme given to Qinetiq managers, the 10 most senior of whom gained £107.5m on an investment of £540,000 in the company's shares.

[joebloggs]

10s of millions Dedworth, small fry to the £50bn Thatcher sold off to her chums :cwm25:

£100M+ earlier this year lost with the Royal Mail :NoNo:

Of course it matters if they are British, more likely most of the jobs will be based in the UK rather than elsewhere...

[Dedworth]

10s of millions Dedworth, small fry to the £50bn Thatcher sold off to her chums :cwm25:

£100M+ earlier this year lost with the Royal Mail :NoNo:

Of course it matters if they are British, more likely most of the jobs will be based in the UK rather than elsewhere...

I'd imagine the software writers will be based in Bangalore India Joe that's when they're not moonlighting down at your local BP Filling Station

[joebloggs]

I'd imagine the software writers will be based in Bangalore India Joe that's when they're not moonlighting down at your local BP Filling Station

i think writing and maintaining the S/W would account for more than 5% of the work , as it was claimed 95% of the work would be done in the UK.


but Raytheon had already done the border control S/W for the USA gov, so they had the experience to do it, maybe a factor why Blair picked them over BT.

[Dedworth]

Who ended the contract?

Theresa May - July 2010 - pretty good it only took her 2 months to find and stop that bit of Liebor cash haemorrhaging

[andy222]

She probably didn't read the small print of the contract and cost us thousands again.

Like the Abu Quatada case in which she was too late putting in the appeal. And you talk about haemorrhaging money. I might do some research on how much old bags under the eyes has cost us. :icon_lol:

Oh, and thanks for answering my question Ded. :biggrin:

[joebloggs]

If it was the contractors fault, you would have thought there would be penalties in the contracts if they had fallen behind on the time scales :cwm25:, the gov blames them, and the contractors blame the gov

Yet a independent arbitration tribunal fines the gov, surely the gov's fault then :cwm25: