Alan Henning killed by IS

[les_taxi]

Well no surprise there :censored:

How about every nation who wants rid of them supplies an equal number of troops - say 10,000 each and with so many, just storm them and take them out quickly.

With so many troops, hopefully the sheer weight in numbers would mean less overall casualties for the soldiers and it would not be as prolonged.

This lot need to be wiped off the face of the Earth.

No hope for them if they kill aid workers who are trying to help people of that country.

Give me the nuke button, because if I could press it and wipe out every IS member, I would not hesitate - and I would sleep at night no problem :cwm23:

Barabaric .....!

[Arthur Little]

So it's *OFFICIAL now, eh? I use the *word because Joe posted a thread earlier this evening ... at which time, the execution had been "purported" - instead of confirmed - to have taken place.

RIP, Alan Henning. :bigcry:

[les_taxi]

Yes Beheaded for helping others :mad::censored::cwm23:

[grahamw48]

Poor guy.

Just use chemical weapons on the scum. :mad:

[tiger31]

Just more fuel for the fire to have them wiped out. I see more and more countries are offering to join in now. I think, unless they use troops, they won,t be able to eradicate the scum.

[bigmarco]

Very tragic that a man dedicated to helping all faiths is murdered in this way. RIP Alan Henning a humanitarian hero.

I see David Cameron said Britain would do all it could "to hunt down these murderers and bring them to justice". I wouldn't have thought it would be to difficult to identify some of them from these shores. :cwm23:

[Michael Parnham]

RIP Alan!

[stevewool]

I cannot comment

[andy222]

Sympathy to the family. R.I.P. I doubt if you will see any muslims gathering to condemn it though. This what Ps me off. When Palestine was getting bombed they were all out protesting.

[les_taxi]

I doubt if you will see any muslims gathering to condemn it though

Not a chance Andy :NoNo:

British when it comes to taking from this country tho :mad:

[Terpe]

Just terrible.
RIP

[les_taxi]

Even worse - they are not even merciful in their barbarism. Using a bloody knife to hack must be agony.

[KeithD]

Sympathy to the family. R.I.P. I doubt if you will see any muslims gathering to condemn it though. This what Ps me off. When Palestine was getting bombed they were all out protesting.

Plenty of them already have, some within the first hour of the news coming out; "The brutal killing was also condemned by British Muslims who called it a "despicable and offensive act" which showed "no regard for Islam". So don't tar good people with the same brush, regardless of religion. That's what causes issues like this in the first place. Blaming all Muslims means that ISIS is getting you to do what it wants. :doh

[SimonH]

Plenty of them already have, some within the first hour of the news coming out; "The brutal killing was also condemned by British Muslims who called it a "despicable and offensive act" which showed "no regard for Islam". So don't tar good people with the same brush, regardless of religion. That's what causes issues like this in the first place. Blaming all Muslims means that ISIS is getting you to do what it wants. :doh

Excellent point and well-put, the sooner more people started thinking this way the better. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[lordna]

Plenty of them already have, some within the first hour of the news coming out; "The brutal killing was also condemned by British Muslims who called it a "despicable and offensive act" which showed "no regard for Islam". So don't tar good people with the same brush, regardless of religion. That's what causes issues like this in the first place. Blaming all Muslims means that ISIS is getting you to do what it wants. :doh

Excellent...couldn't agree more! Let's not lose sight of the fact that ISIS are EXTREMISTS and very little to do with the majority of Muslims.

[KeithD]

Even the extremist Muslims have been distancing themselves from ISIS :cwm24:

[Dedworth]

Poor guy.

Just use chemical weapons on the scum. :mad:

:iagree: I'd also use cluster bombs and napalm on these subhuman animals

[Arthur Little]

All very well us speculating on what we'd like to do to these barbaric animals ... but we mustn't forget that thousands of innocent women and children from the countries involved will inevitably get caught up in the process. :ReadIt:

[Michael Parnham]

Muslims in Sheffield are up in arms because they should not be named as Islamic State as they are not members of Islam, they are thugs!

[grahamw48]

All very well us speculating on what we'd like to do to these barbaric animals ... but we mustn't forget that thousands of innocent women and children from the countries involved will inevitably get caught up in the process. :ReadIt:

As they did in WW2.

Sadly, when it comes down to it, that's what happens in wars. It's either their innocents or yours.

[les_taxi]

For all the advances in man it will always come down to kill or be killed.

[raynaputi]

Plenty of them already have, some within the first hour of the news coming out; "The brutal killing was also condemned by British Muslims who called it a "despicable and offensive act" which showed "no regard for Islam". So don't tar good people with the same brush, regardless of religion. That's what causes issues like this in the first place. Blaming all Muslims means that ISIS is getting you to do what it wants. :doh

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Remember, the burning of ISIS flags was started by Lebanese Muslims outraged by ISIS.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/burn-isis-flag-challenge-started-4181631

Also, this has been done by British Muslims...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/20/notinmyname-british-muslims_n_5851500.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfYanI-zJes

[Ako Si Jamie]

Tragic. :mad:

For a man who gives up his time to aid others too.

[andy222]

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Remember, the burning of ISIS flags was started by Lebanese Muslims outraged by ISIS.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/burn-isis-flag-challenge-started-4181631

Also, this has been done by British Muslims...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/20/notinmyname-british-muslims_n_5851500.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfYanI-zJes

Your choice to beleive what you want. For me I dont trust them.

[SimonH]

Your choice to beleive what you want. For me I dont trust them.


Rather a blinkered attitude :NoNo:

I before E in believe and don't forget the apostrophe in don't :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[andy222]

Rather a blinkered attitude :NoNo:
And how qualified are you to tell me that?

[raynaputi]

Rather a blinkered attitude :NoNo:

I before E in believe and don't forget the apostrophe in don't :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Sadly, some people will always have that attitude. Tarring everyone with the same brush. :NoNo::anerikke:

[KeithD]

And how qualified are you to tell me that?

He paid attention at school :biggrin: Unlick moi :icon_lol:

[SimonH]

And how qualified are you to tell me that?

Sorry Andy, I didn't realise that I needed a qualification to say that your sweeping statement that all Muslims couldn't be trusted was a blinkered one :Erm:

[lordna]

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10354809_683001005128512_6738501920241545999_n.jpg?oh=c7d8364cca078a0d01aa53f7e8236d0f&oe=54840E2D

[andy222]

Sorry Andy, I didn't realise that I needed a qualification to say that your sweeping statement that all Muslims couldn't be trusted was a blinkered one :Erm:
Like I said you beleive what you want.

[tiger31]

Your choice to beleive what you want. For me I dont trust them.

You,re absolutely right in your comment, people often forget ISIS and Muslims across the world have one thing in common -THE QURAN - they all follow it. British Muslims saying, "Not in our name". Well, they have to say that, otherwise they would become a target for MI6. If you ask a British Muslim what the punishment is for apostrophe they will say, death. This is one example, so in fact, they have a similar mindset to their ISIS brothers 'n' sisters. Muslims, wherever they are, have an agenda and that is to live under Sharia Law. Which is another reason why they can never truly co-exist alongside us in happiness.

Not all muslims are so extreme, but how do you separate and fight the closet Jihadists?? They do not like our way of life and we do not like theirs, so there will come a time when the UK will explode the way I,m seeing it. Just a matter of time.

Just my view.

[les_taxi]

You,re absolutely right on your comment, people often forget ISIS and Muslims across the world have one thing in common - THE QURAN - they all follow it. British Muslims saying, "Not in our name". Well, they have to say that, otherwise they would become a target for MI6. If you ask a British Muslim what the punishment is for apostrophe, they will say death. This is one example, so in fact they have a similar mindset to their ISIS brothers 'n' sisters. Muslims, whereever they are, have an agenda, and that is to live under Sharia Law. Which is another reason why they can never truly co-exist alongside us in happiness.

Not all Muslims are so extreme, but how do you separate and fight the closet Jihadists?? They do not like our way of life and we do not like theirs so there will come a time when the UK will explode the way I,m seeing it. Just a matter of time.

Just my view.

My view too, and I agree with Andy.

[KeithD]

All Christians want to kill Muslims as we have one thing in common, the Bible. We had the Crusades, we have on numerous occasions in history fought in the Middle East, we let the Israelis murder innocent women and children in cold blood, we invaded a Muslim country in Iraq and wiped out the government illegally. As Christians we are all hungry for the blood of Muslims...... well that seems to be the view based on the above statements!! :Erm: :doh

[raynaputi]

All Christians want to kill Muslims as we have one thing in common, the Bible. We had the Crusades, we have on numerous occasions in history fought in the Middle East, we let the Israelis murder innocent women and children in cold blood, we invaded a Muslim country in Iraq and wiped out the government illegally. As Christians we are all hungry for the blood of Muslims...... well that seems to be the view based on the above statements!! :Erm: :doh

:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:

:heartshape1::icon_lol:

[les_taxi]

Did not see that much of a Muslim outcry for Lee Rigby! :doh

We just get the usual Muslim Council weak statement - as they have to do.

Of course, not all Muslims agree to the violence but I would like to bet plenty are happy to see this .... happen and they keep quiet.

I would love to have my views altered - do a 10,000 person Muslim march through Leeds as a show of support, remove your Burkas - it won't kill you to do so.

Prove to us you're British and you support our way of life. :doh

Never gonna happen - ever.

Think I once saw a demographic on how the host countries demographic changed, based on various numbers of Muslims living in that country.

I seem to remember as it got greater, then more and more things were brought into place - like areas where Sharia law was in place etc etc.

I think that was with a mere 25% Muslim population :yikes:

[tiger31]

All Christians want to kill Muslims as we have one thing in common, the Bible. We had the Crusades, we have on numerous occasions in history fought in the Middle East, we let the Israelis murder innocent women and children in cold blood, we invaded a Muslim country in Iraq and wiped out the government illegally. As Christians we are all hungry for the blood of Muslims...... well that seems to be the view based on the above statements!! :Erm: :doh

The view is more widespread than you think, but people tend to keep quiet for fear of offending Muslims. I wish Muslim countries were as tolerant as the UK, but they are far from tolerant so why should we be any different? I don,t follow the Bible and I don,t desire to kill Muslims, but if I had to I would defend my country from these backward barbarians.

[fred]

I watched a Panorama documentary about why Blackburn has been literally split in half..
They put a Sat nav in a Taxi owned by a White driver and another in the taxi owned by a Muslim driver.. Only once did their paths cross in the middle where the town center is located..
Multiculturalism has gone badly wrong.
Enoch Powel was right..No doubt about it.

Colour coded Britain.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13kOeTojCBI

[grahamw48]

Fred, I agree with you, though we won't be considered PC, just horrid racists. :NoNo:

I accepted the loss of what was a wonderful country, many years ago.

...Probably the first time I worked in Bradford in 1971

[KeithD]

Did not see that much of a Muslim outcry for Lee Rigby

I didn't see Christians on the streets of the UK when we started killing women and children in Iraq either. It works both ways. The way to see the real world is to open your eyes and view it from the perspective of others. Being blinkered leads to wars, racism, hate, blame etc.

[KeithD]

I don,t follow the Bible and I don,t desire to kill Muslims, but if I had to I would defend my country from these backward barbarians.

If in 'backward barbarians' you mean ISIS, then I agree with you. They are ruthless crime syndicates from Syria, nothing to do with religion. If you mean all Muslims, then I don't agree.

[fred]

I didn't see Christians on the streets of the UK when we started killing women and children in Iraq either. It works both ways. The way to see the real world is to open your eyes and view it from the perspective of others. Being blinkered leads to wars, racism, hate, blame etc.


I saw nearly a million Brits on the streets before the Iraq war protesting about Bliars pending decision..
Did he listen? Did he ....!!:NoNo:
http://crisisofcivilization.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/o-WAR-PROTEST-570-300x296.jpg


When an audience member asked why the British government still went to war despite the millions of people who protested against it, Independent columnist John Rentoul argued that the war was in fact an example of proper democratic process – because ultimately the MPs voted for it. He pointed out that we don’t run democracies based on “mob rule” – i.e. just because people protesting in the street don’t want something – but on the basis of consensual parliamentary

[Pete/London]

"Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, has produced a trail of blood and tears across world history."

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

It's only a matter of time before we become a Muslim country, probably along with most of Europe.

The Times wrote that, according to the 2011 census, almost 10% of children up to the age of 5 in the UK are Muslim.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/jan/10/rise-british-muslim-birthrate-the-times-census

[les_taxi]

"Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, has produced a trail of blood and tears across world history."

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

It's only a matter of time before we become a Muslim country, probably along with most of Europe.

The Times wrote that, according to the 2011 census, almost 10% of children up to the age of 5 in the UK are Muslim.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/jan/10/rise-british-muslim-birthrate-the-times-census

Yep, I can see that :NoNo:

[raynaputi]

"Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, has produced a trail of blood and tears across world history."

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

It's only a matter of time before we become a Muslim country, probably along with most of Europe.

The Times wrote that, according to the 2011 census, almost 10% of children up to the age of 5 in the UK are Muslim.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/jan/10/rise-british-muslim-birthrate-the-times-census

Apparently, the Bible has such verses about killing the non-believers of God too, and a lot more.. :Erm:

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

[grahamw48]

Thank goodness I'm an atheist and don't feel obliged to kill anyone.

I wonder how many children CHOOSE their religion.

Why is it not considered 'child abuse' to brainwash kids ,in this wonderful PC country of ours ? :anerikke:

So much hypocrisy and nonsense. :NoNo:

[KeithD]

Thank goodness I'm an atheist and don't feel obliged to kill anyone.

I wonder how many children CHOOSE their religion.

Why is it not considered 'child abuse' to brainwash kids ,in this wonderful PC country of ours ? :anerikke:

So much hypocrisy and nonsense. :NoNo:

...and while we are at it. Circumcision should be regarded as child abuse if not done by a qualified doctor for medical reasons.

[Pete/London]

In answer to Raynaputi


Well if it has it was probably in the Old Testament, I think its only Jehovas Witnesses that follow that, and they seem willing to talk you to death.

Anyway most other religions believe in God or a God

Not heard of any Christians involved in holy wars recently

[raynaputi]

In answer to Raynaputi


Well if it has it was probably in the Old Testament, I think its only Jehovas Witnesses that follow that, and they seem willing to talk you to death.

Anyway most other religions believe in God or a God

Not heard of any Christians involved in holy wars recently

It says there NLT and NAB (New Living Testament and New American Bible) :Erm:

[grahamw48]

...and while we are at it. Circumcision should be regarded as child abuse if not done by a qualified doctor for medical reasons.

Agreed...and happily, I wasn't mutilated in that way. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

Despite being a Church Elder for close on 40 years, I still have GREAT difficulty in coming to terms with a lot of Biblical hype - most especially some of the :crazy: stuff recorded in the Old Testament in particular - e.g., the story of 'Abraham and Isaac' ... that in which a so-called "loving" Heavenly Father played a particularly cruel and heartless trick on the former ... whereby God supposedly prevailed upon Abraham to bring his son to a mountain top and slaughter him ... as a test of his faith! :NoNo:

[andy222]

Did not see that much of a Muslim outcry for Lee Rigby! :doh

We just get the usual Muslim Council weak statement - as they have to do.

Of course, not all Muslims agree to the violence but I would like to bet plenty are happy to see this .... happen and they keep quiet.

I would love to have my views altered - do a 10,000 person Muslim march through Leeds as a show of support, remove your Burkas - it won't kill you to do so.

Prove to us you're British and you support our way of life. :doh

Never gonna happen - ever.

Think I once saw a demographic on how the host countries demographic changed, based on various numbers of Muslims living in that country.

I seem to remember as it got greater, then more and more things were brought into place - like areas where Sharia law was in place etc etc.

I think that was with a mere 25% Muslim population :yikes:
:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[andy222]

"Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, has produced a trail of blood and tears across world history."

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

It's only a matter of time before we become a Muslim country, probably along with most of Europe.

The Times wrote that, according to the 2011 census, almost 10% of children up to the age of 5 in the UK are Muslim.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/jan/10/rise-british-muslim-birthrate-the-times-census
:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[KeithD]

I think it is about time we rebooted religion and updated to Bible 2.0 and Quran 2.0 :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

Despite being a Church Elder for close on 40 years, I still have GREAT difficulty in coming to terms with a lot of Biblical hype - most especially some of the :crazy: stuff recorded in the Old Testament in particular - e.g., the story of 'Abraham and Isaac' ... that in which a so-called "loving" Heavenly Father played a particularly cruel and heartless trick on the former ... whereby God supposedly prevailed upon Abraham to bring his son to a mountain top and slaughter him ... as a test of his faith! :NoNo:

Unbelievable ... :yeahthat:!

[Pete/London]

My cousin told the Nun teaching us when we were 8 that I did not believe in God, the grass.

She dragged me out of class by the hair up to the Head Sisters office and the pair of them beat me black and blue, and put my name in the black book, what ever that was.

Never liked religion since.

[les_taxi]

Maybe error 404 page not found!

[andy222]

I think it is about time we rebooted religion and updated to Bible 2.0 and Quran 2.0 :xxgrinning--00xx3:
Bonfire night is coming up.

[les_taxi]

Ha ha Andy, you have put wicked thoughts into in my head.

[Dedworth]

It's only a matter of time before we become a Muslim country, probably along with most of Europe.



Civilised countries should stop kowtowing to them

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd108/gruner/NoMosque.png

[Pete/London]

Civilised countries should stop kowtowing to them

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd108/gruner/NoMosque.png

But in 15 and a bit years those under 5s will become 10% of the electorate in addition to the adult Muslims already able to vote, and if Mullahs decide to influence the way they vote it could be they decide this countries policies.

[les_taxi]

Horrible thought!

[malolos]

This world of ours gets sicker every day. What have the younger generation got to look forward to?

God Bless Alan Henning.

[Ako Si Jamie]

:cwm3: :Erm:

http://rt.com/files/news/26/55/40/00/1.jpg

http://rt.com/uk/157012-britain-ethnic-minorities/

[Ako Si Jamie]

I think it is about time we rebooted religion and updated to Bible 2.0 and Quran 2.0 :xxgrinning--00xx3:

No need.

Ten Commandments and a big dollop of philosophy and realism. Mix well and serve and you're good to go. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[tiger31]

Stop Muslims getting benefits - that will stop them taking over the country :biggrin:

[joebloggs]

It's only a matter of time before we become a Muslim country, probably along with most of Europe.




Key points

Despite falling numbers Christianity remains the largest religion in England and Wales in 2011. Muslims are the next biggest religious group and have grown in the last decade. Meanwhile the proportion of the population who reported they have no religion has now reached a quarter of the population.



http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/2011-census/key-statistics-for-local-authorities-in-england-and-wales/rpt-religion.html

A 2% increase in a decade, that's going to take a long time if it would ever happen, more likely most people will not have a religion :wink:


Thank goodness I'm an atheist and don't feel obliged to kill anyone.

:xxgrinning--00xx3:



Multiculturalism has gone badly wrong.


Multiculturalism is working, I live on a ex council estate, there must be people from nearly every nationality on here, no problems, if there are its probably from a few young white British unemployable yobs

[Pete/London]

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/2011-census/key-statistics-for-local-authorities-in-england-and-wales/rpt-religion.html

A 2% increase in a decade, that's going to take a long time if it would ever happen, more likely most people will not have a religion :wink:



:xxgrinning--00xx3:



Multiculturalism is working, I live on a ex-council estate. There must be people from nearly every nationality on here. No problems, or if there are, it's probably from a few young white British unemployable yobs

I do not trust government statistics, they have lied to the population over and over again.

The census figures of 2011 show that 10% of that generation in 18 years time will be Muslim, not taking into account the 7.2% who did not answer, or the 3 million plus illegals mostly from Africa and the Middle East. It's a very high proportion.

"Many British people find it hard to believe their country could become majority Muslim. After all, it was never what they wanted so why, in a democracy, should it be happening? But we’ve had such disbelief before. Back in the 60s and 70s, many people scoffed at the notion that London could ever be majority non-white. But today it is.

The fact is that the deathbed demography of native Britons has come up against increasing Muslim birth rates and the result is a classic Malthusian geometric increase in the Muslim population. As Malthus emphasised, populations increase geometrically, not arithmetically. Given two populations, one declining one increasing, within a few generations the geometric increase of one over the other can be substantial.

Why has the Muslim birth rate not fallen to native levels? Just as there may be consumerist-cultural reasons for the low birth rates of native Britons, there may be strong cultural reasons for higher Muslim birth rates. As the journalist Christopher Caldwell puts it: “Muslim culture is full of messages laying out the practical advantages of procreation. As the Hadith saying has it: ‘Marry, for I will outnumber peoples by you.’”

Yassir Arafat understood the political power of high birth rates. The Palestinian population increased sevenfold in one generation from 450,000 in 1967 to 3.3 million in 2002. The wombs of Palestinian women, Arafat said, were the “secret weapon” in his cause. The Israeli government is very much aware of Palestinian demographics."

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3770/the_islamic_future_of_britain

[les_taxi]

Again, I'm with you Pete, go to Bradford and you will see about a 70% Muslim mix.

[joebloggs]

I do not trust government statistics, they have lied to the population over and over again.

The census figures of 2011 show that 10% of that generation in 18 years time will be Muslim, not taking into account the 7.2% who did not answer, or the 3 million plus illegals mostly from Africa and the Middle East. Its a very high proportion.

"Many British people find it hard to believe their country could become majority Muslim. After all, it was never what they wanted so why, in a democracy, should it be happening? But we’ve had such disbelief before. Back in the 60s and 70s, many people scoffed at the notion that London could ever be majority non-white. But today it is.

The fact is that the deathbed demography of native Britons has come up against increasing Muslim birth rates and the result is a classic Malthusian geometric increase in the Muslim population. As Malthus emphasised, populations increase geometrically, not arithmetically. Given two populations, one declining one increasing, within a few generations the geometric increase of one over the other can be substantial.

Why has the Muslim birth rate not fallen to native levels? Just as there may be consumerist-cultural reasons for the low birth rates of native Britons, there may be strong cultural reasons for higher Muslim birth rates. As the journalist Christopher Caldwell puts it: “Muslim culture is full of messages laying out the practical advantages of procreation. As the hadith saying has it: ‘Marry, for I will outnumber peoples by you.’”

Yassir Arafat understood the political power of high birth rates. The Palestinian population increased sevenfold in one generation from 450,000 in 1967 to 3.3 million in 2002. The wombs of Palestinian women, Arafat said, were the “secret weapon” in his cause. The Israeli government is very much aware of Palestinian demographics."

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3770/the_islamic_future_of_britain

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) is the executive office of the UK Statistics Authority, a non-ministerial department which reports directly to the Parliament of the United Kingdom.

Give me an example of how they have lied ?

3m illegals? Where have you got that figure from ?

I think you will find it was Polish immigrant mothers who had the highest birth rate in the UK. I didn't think they were a Muslim country.

[joebloggs]

Again, I'm with you Pete, go to Bradford and you will see about a 70% Muslim mix.

How can you tell they are Muslim Les, can you tell me how many are Christians or atheists please. :wink:

[fred]

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/2011-census/key-statistics-for-local-authorities-in-england-and-wales/rpt-religion.html

A 2% increase in a decade, that's going to take a long time if it would ever happen, more likely most people will not have a religion :wink:



:xxgrinning--00xx3:



Multiculturalism is working, I live on a ex council estate, there must be people from nearly every nationality on here, no problems, if there are its probably from a few young white British unemployable yobs

In Luton there has been ethnic cleansing going on for a long time..
The last few white and black couples that have been living in Bury park for 50 odd years are being intimidated with bricks through their windows at 3am!!
White flight from London is steadily increasing..
Multiculturalism is not working..Most Muslims don't want it,they prefer segregation.
Bury your head in the sand all you like.

[les_taxi]

how can you tell they are Muslim les, can you tell me how many are Christians or atheists please

Ya lost the plot Joe! :doh

[les_taxi]

Multiculturalism is not working..Most Muslims don't want it,they prefer segregation.
Bury your head in the sand all you like.

Well said and true! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[tiger31]

Well said and true! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:xxgrinning--00xx3: Too many people here have their heads in the sand, that,s a fact.

[joebloggs]

Ya lost the plot Joe! :doh


Between 2001 and 2011 there has been a decrease in people who identify as Christian (from 71.7 per cent to 59.3 per cent) and an increase in those reporting no religion (from 14.8 per cent to 25.1 per cent). There were increases in the other main religious group categories, with the number of Muslims increasing the most (from 3.0 per cent to 4.8 per cent).

Do you understand the above paragraph Les? :Erm:, if not I'll explain it to you :wink:

[Pete/London]

The government has constantly used statistics for their own political ends and until recently denied the true immigration figures. They use net migration figures for their argument, despite the fact that most people leaving the country were white British taking their wealth with them to start a new life abroad where they are not allowed to be a drain on their chosen country's welfare system.

Whereas the migrants coming here had virtually nothing, were able to make use of our health service without contribution, thus straining the system so that the British were put on waiting lists that were constantly growing. They have put a strain on our housing stock creating shortages and massive property price rises that make it difficult for British children to have much hope of ever getting a place of their own.

I dont remember saying who had the highest birth rates, only the % of Muslim births in the population.

It had been documented many times in the press that a good estimate of the illegal immigrant population is around 3 million, I can't prove it, but then you can't prove that its not either, because our useless politicians have lost control of the country. I can only use my eyes in the area of London I have lived for almost 68 years, Waltham Forest, capital of Londonistan.

[joebloggs]

Bury your head in the sand all you like.


Well said and true! :xxgrinning--00xx3:


:xxgrinning--00xx3: Too many people here have their heads in the sand, that,s a fact.

And that's coming from 2 people who are living in another country, adding to it's 'multiculturalism', where you can't even buy property, never mind try to get citizenship. And from Les, who's living in a town with a population of 70k :wink:

You've seen the tragic story of Alan Henning in the news,
'multiculturalism' working in Salford. Read the article, look at the names of his friends.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-29488895

[Dedworth]

Multiculturalism is not working..


It is working on Joes estate 'cos he says so :laugher: - & it's only the minority British working class outnumbered 10 to 1 who cause the problems.

I don't want multiculturalism, I never voted for it :mad:

[les_taxi]

Joe, sorry mate, all you do is copy and paste stats and articles these days.

We have had these discussions before. You are nothing, if not repetitive.

You diss Harrogate without ever having been here. When I call you on Blackpool, you dispute the pics I post of it being a run down .... hole. Then there is the program Dedworth mentioned about Blackpool - you have kept conveniently quiet on that one! :icon_lol:
Funniest comment I have ever seen you make is, "Multiculturalism has worked" Omg that's your best ever. :laugher:

Thing is Joe, I go to places like Harehills in Leeds and the centre of Bradford regularly - different world mate.

You would not have the same viewpoint walking through Harehills with your good lady wife I bet.

Tell you what, I'm up for a challenge. After Xmas, when I'm quieter with work, I will pay for you to come through to Leeds. We will meet up and have a wander through Harehills and Chapeltown in Leeds. Should be fun :biggrin:

My view of you Joe, is you're just a wind up man - you like a fight on the Forum, and so do I! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

The government has constantly used statistics for their own political ends and until recently denied the true immigration figures. They use net migration figures for their argument, despite the fact that most people leaving the country were white British taking their wealth with them to start a new life abroad where they are not allowed to be a drain on their chosen country's welfare system.

Whereas the migrants coming here had virtually nothing, were able to make use of our health service without contribution, thus straining the system so that the British were put on waiting lists that were constantly growing. They have put a strain on our housing stock creating shortages and massive property price rises that make it difficult for British children to have much hope of ever getting a place of their own.

I dont remember saying who had the highest birth rates, only the % of Muslim births in the population.

It had been documented many times in the press that a good estimate of the illegal immigrant population is around 3 million, I can't prove it, but then you can't prove that its not either, because our useless politicians have lost control of the country. I can only use my eyes in the area of London I have lived for almost 68 years, Waltham Forest, capital of Londonistan.

Nominated for common sense post of the week award :appl:, rep on the way

[KeithD]

None of you would exist if it wasn't for multiculturalism :doh There are no true Brits left. Different cultures have come into this country for thousands of years and interbred. There is no pure 'British' DNA left. So all of those against multiculturalism, are actually bred from it.

[les_taxi]

None of you would exist if it wasn't for multiculturalism :doh There are no true Brits left. Different cultures have come into this country for thousands of years and interbred. There is no pure 'British' DNA left. So all of those against multiculturalism, are actually bred from it.

That's not what we are talking about Keith really, but your are correct on that point.

[joebloggs]

The government has constantly used statistics for their own political ends and until recently denied the true immigration figures. they use net migration figures for their argument, despite the fact that most people leaving the country were white British taken their wealth with them to start a new life abroad where they are not allowed to be a drain on their chosen country's welfare system.

Whereas the migrants coming here had virtually nothing, were able to make use of our health service without contribution, thus straining the system so that the British were put on waiting lists that were constantly growing. They have put a strain on our housing stock creating shortages and massive property price rises that make it difficult for British children to have much hope of ever getting a place of their own.

I dont remember saying who had the highest birth rates, only the % of Muslim births in the population.

It had been documented many times in the press that a good estimate of the illegal immigrant population is around 3 million, I cant prove it, then you cant prove that its not either, because our useless politicians have lost control of the country. I can only use my eyes in the area of London I have lived for almost 68 years, Waltham Forest, capital of Londonistan.

You're talking about the gov's interpretation of figures, the stats I've posted are from the ONS. The fact is, the gov doesn't know how many people are here because they don't keep a record of who comes in or leaves :NoNo:

Most non Europeans who recently came to the UK would have needed to secure a work permit first - and are not allowed to claim benefits - or they came on the highly skilled migrant program where they would have needed a minimum of a Master's degree. Again, they are not able to claim benefits until they have ILR. The majority of both came to work and not to claim benefits

Now, if your talking about Europeans coming to the UK that's a different matter.

That's rubbish about 3m, scare stories from the rightwing press, the gov estimates it's a lot less than 1m. They don't know for the reasons I've just posted, but an estimate of 1m has been used by a number of groups.

I'll tell you why it's not 3m, it's estimated up to 1m Poles came to the UK. At work, we have 2 Poles working there, my child-minder minds a Polish kid. There are 3 or 4 Polish shops near me, I hear Polish spoken by school kids near me. Polish people living near me. Yet if you believe there are 3m illegals here, I take it you mean mostly from Africa, India and Pakistan I would be seeing more of these people, 3 * the number of Poles I see, yet i don't, so where are these 3m hiding ??? :cwm25:

[joebloggs]

It is on Joe's estate 'cos he says so - & it's only the minority British working class outnumbered 10 to 1 who cause the problems.

I don't want multiculturalism, I never voted for it :mad:

But you've added to it by marrying a filipina :cwm25:

Not just the estate Dedworth, Salford and Greater Manchester. By far the majority of people - no matter what colour, race or religion - tolerate each other and get on with their lives in peace.

[KeithD]

That's not what we are talking about Keith really, but your are correct on that point.

It is exactly what we are talking about, as these influxes of different cultures happens again and again, it is nothing new. This period will eventually move on, and another culture will become the new 'problem'. In the last hundred years we have had the same problems with Pakistani's, Arabs, Irish, Indians, etc, but they have moved into history, and now we are on Muslims. Not long ago it was the Polish. Next it may be the French... again! :omg:

[KeithD]

but you've added to it by marrying a filipina :cwm25:.

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

It is exactly what we are talking about, as these influxes of different cultures happens again and again, it is nothing new. This period will eventually move on, and another culture will become the new 'problem'. In the last hundred years we have had the same problems with Pakistani's, Arabs, Irish, Indians, etc, but they have moved into history, and now we are on Muslims. Not long ago it was the Polish. Next it may be the French... again! :omg:

:Erm: They've moved on into history so no problems with the 'Stani & Arab muslims ?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/7/7/1278505432778/77-London-bombings-No-30--006.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01736/bombers_1736263c.jpg

[joebloggs]

Joe, sorry mate, all you do is copy and paste stats and articles these days.

We have had these discussions before. You are nothing if not repetitive.

You diss Harrogate without ever having been here. When I call you on Blackpool you dispute the pics I post of it being a run down .... hole. Then there is the program Dedworth mentioned about Blackpoo l- you have kept conveniently quiet on that one! :icon_lol:

Funniest comment I have ever seen you make is, Multiculturalism has worked. Omg that's your best ever :laugher:

Thing is Joe, I go to places like Harehills in Leeds and the centre of Bradford regularly - different world mate.

You would not have the same viewpoint walking through Harehills with your good lady wife I bet.

Tell you what, I'm up for a challenge. After Xmas, when I'm quieter with work I will pay for you to come through to Leeds. We will meet up and have a wander through Harehills and Chapeltown in Leeds. Should be fun :biggrin:

My view of you Joe, is you're just a wind up man - you like a fight on the Forum, and so do I! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Stats that say less than 4% are Muslim, so 96% are not :cwm25:

It's a fact Harrogate has a pop of 70k, Salford is 4 times that, Greater Manchester 2.7m. Where are all the 'multiculturalism' problems here then Les? Send me some links of the problems caused by it :cwm25:

[Pete/London]

Nominated for common sense post of the week award :appl:, rep on the way

Thank you Dedworth, it's the medication

[joebloggs]

:Erm: they've moved on into history so no problems with the 'Stani & Arab muslims :laugher:

No, only problems I've seen are from a few jobless white British teenage, early 20's yobs, remember, the ones you use to call :wink:

I've never seen a group of Pakistani or Arab teenagers causing trouble :cwm25:

[Dedworth]

No, only problems I've seen are from a few jobless white British teenage, early 20's yobs, remember, the ones you use to call :wink:

I've never seen a group of Pakistani or Arab teenagers causing trouble :cwm25:

They're keeping their heads down - drug dealing, grooming, jumping on the train to London or hopping on a flight to Istanbul

[Pete/London]

It is exactly what we are talking about, as these influxes of different cultures happens again and again, it is nothing new. This period will eventually move on, and another culture will become the new 'problem'. In the last hundred years we have had the same problems with Pakistani's, Arabs, Irish, Indians, etc, but they have moved into history, and now we are on Muslims. Not long ago it was the Polish. Next it may be the French... again! :omg:

Where do you get 100 years from? We were a stable population up to the late '50s with just the Irish coming in and out.

Mass immigration started with West Indies in the 50s. Nothing by today's standards, plus they were Christian.

I know these conversations develop, but I have been talking about the growing Muslim population and how it will change this country in the not too distant future to a backward view of the world and Sharia law. No other group has wanted to do that.

[Dedworth]

In the spirit of multiculturalism & inclusion I want Sharia Law for Muslims - floggings, amputations etc., would stop grooming and heroin-dealing in their tracks.

[Pete/London]

You're talking about the gov's interpretation of figures, the stats I've posted are from the ONS. The fact is, the gov doesn't know how many people are here because they don't keep a record of who comes in or leaves :NoNo:

Most non Europeans who recently came to the UK would have needed to secure a work permit first - and are not allowed to claim benefits - or they came on the highly skilled migrant program where they would have needed a minimum of a Master's degree. Again, they are not able to claim benefits until they have ILR. The majority of both came to work and not to claim benefits

Now, if your talking about Europeans coming to the UK that's a different matter.

That's rubbish about 3m, scare stories from the rightwing press, the gov estimates it's a lot less than 1m. They don't know for the reasons I've just posted, but an estimate of 1m has been used by a number of groups.

I'll tell you why it's not 3m, it's estimated up to 1m Poles came to the UK. At work, we have 2 Poles working there, my child-minder minds a Polish kid. There are 3 or 4 Polish shops near me, I hear Polish spoken by school kids near me. Polish people living near me. Yet if you believe there are 3m illegals here, I take it you mean mostly from Africa, India and Pakistan I would be seeing more of these people, 3 * the number of Poles I see, yet i don't, so where are these 3m hiding ??? :cwm25:

Already told you where they are...Waltham Forest, same in all areas of East London, millions of them.

Why are you so fixated on Poles?

I gave you figures provided by the 2011 census of British citizens and you give me figures of foreigners' birth rates and that they are Christians. We are not comparing the same.

[les_taxi]

Stats that say less than 4% are Muslim, so 96% are not :cwm25:

It's a fact Harrogate has a pop of 70k, Salford is 4 times that, Greater Manchester 2.7m. Where are all the 'multiculturalism' problems here then Les? Send me some links of the problems caused by it :cwm25:

:icon_lol: You keep googling stats Joe, it's what your good at - meanwhile, in the real world :doh


Where are all the 'multiculturalism' problems here then Les? Send me some links of the problems caused by it

Let's go into the real World Joe, and take me up on my offer - let me prove to you that there are big problems if you are white walking through areas in Leeds and Bradford.

Forget your links and so called stats.

I want to put my money where my mouth is - I say again, I will pay for yours and wife's train fare to come through to Leeds one day and we'll go up to Harehills and wander about :smile:

It's a genuine offer to prove a point made in good faith.

[Dedworth]

Why are you so fixated on Poles?


Good point - many nasty criminals and pond life amongst the former Warsaw Pact but they pale into insignificance when we look at those from the Horn and other parts of Africa

[joebloggs]

I know these conversations develop, but I have been talking about the growing Muslim population and how it will change this country in the not too distant future to a backward view of the world and Sharia law. No other group has wanted to do that.

Growing Muslim population or the grow of extremists ?

Do you believe that the majority of Muslims in the UK want Sharia Law?

There is only 1 law, British law, which should over-ride anyone else's laws and EU Law

[Ako Si Jamie]

Multiculturalism works if Pakistani Muslims are taken out of the equation. A lot just don't want to integrate.

[fred]

No, only problems I've seen are from a few jobless white British teenage, early 20's yobs, remember the ones you use to call :wink:

I've never seen a group of Pakistani or Arab teenagers causing trouble :cwm25:



London's 'Muslim Patrol' aims to impose Sharia law in East London


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcsG-u2GtZE

White Couple Attacked By Four Pakistani-Muslim Immigrants In England 2013



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a76XXRwt3l4

[joebloggs]

Why are you so fixated on Poles?


You're telling me there are 3m illegals in the UK, most of them in East London. You say we're talking about different things. What are you talking about, 3m illegals in the UK or the 'rise' in the number of Muslims in the UK?

Why do I go on about Poles? Because I can believe 1M came to the UK, because I see them everywhere, yet I don't see any of these 3m illegal immigrants. They must all be in London as you say. I wonder why UKBA don't arrest them, they seem to arrest illegals from all over the UK. :cwm25:

[Pete/London]

Growing Muslim population or the growth of extremists?

Do you believe that the majority of Muslims in the UK want Sharia Law?

There is only 1 law, British law, which should over-ride anyone else's laws and EU Law

Yes, that's fine until, as I have already said, the Muslim vote becomes so big that they will control the agenda of the country.

Also, it's very easy for the British Muslims to wind their neck in until they do gain that control, then we will see the true nature of what they want.

When the Quran was written, the early writings were very peaceful until the Prophet gained mass support, then his written words became very violent and he stated that all his later writings supersede his earlier writings. If you read the links I gave earlier, this is well documented.

[Pete/London]

your telling me there are 3m illegals in the UK, most of them in East London, you say were talking about different things, what are you talking about, 3m illegals in the UK or the 'rise' in the number of Muslims in the UK ?

why do i go on about Poles. because i can believe 1M came to the Uk, because i see them everywhere , yet i don't see any of these 3m illegal immigrants, they must all be in London as you say, i wonder why UKBA don't arrest them, they seem to arrest illegals from all over the UK :cwm25:

They don't wear a badge you know

[joebloggs]

London's 'Muslim Patrol' aims to impose Sharia law in East London


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcsG-u2GtZE

White Couple Attacked By Four Pakistani-Muslim Immigrants In England 2013



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a76XXRwt3l4

Like I said, no one should be above British Law, Sharia, EU or anyone else's. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519519/Muslim-Patrol-jailed-harassing-couple-holding-hands-men-drinking-bid-enforce-Sharia-law-East-London.html

Also, the 'leader' of these idiots is a White Brit

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2559426/Converts-Islam-jailed-terrorising-streets-Muslim-Patrol-banned-promoting-Sharia-law-FIVE-YEARS.html

Looks like this was a one off unless you have links to any more 'Sharia patrols'??

[joebloggs]

They don't wear a badge you know

Neither do the Poles or non-British people in the UK.

Like I asked Les before, how does he tell if someone is Muslim or not, unless he asks them?

He's very good, he can tell by looking at them if they are Christian, Atheist, Muslim or Hindu. Like you say, they don't wear badges :cwm25:

[les_taxi]

Every one of the Pakistanis who work on the Taxi rank are Muslims, so that's 30 out of 30.

Think you will find they will wear a certain attire which generally helps to distinguish them :doh

Anyway, I take it you don't wan't to go for a walk with me in Leeds. I'm hurt Joe.

Was hoping to wear my 'Help for Heroes' T-shirt too :biggrin:

[Dedworth]

Every one of the Pakistanis who work on the Taxi rank are muslims so thats 30 out of 30.

Think you will find they will wear a certain attire which generally helps to distinguish them:doh

Anyway, I take it you don't wan't to go for a walk with me in Leeds. I'm hurt joe.

Was hoping to wear my 'Help for Heroes' T-shirt too :biggrin:

Here's a pic from the rank Les - on the way to today's ritual sacrifice. Maybe when Fred's back, he'll offer Joe a guided tour of Luton .

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/05/1412525047658_wps_35_A_camel_is_led_behind_a_t.jpg

[bigmarco]

I think the 3 million figure probably just applies to London.

Took the Mrs out to a show last night for our anniversary and the West End was full of beggars and ponces. It's depressing because I usually like to enjoy the occasional night out, but they're on every street corner.

After the show decided to head into Chinatown for a meal and you wouldn't believe it but I think the Romanians outnumbered the Chinese, selling their bunches of dead flowers and begging for money with babes in Arms :NoNo:

This morning, decided to head off into Sutton to pick a few things up when the Mrs drew my attention to a line of over 100 people queuing outside a premises all with paperwork in their hand. Curiosity got the better of me and on the way home slowed down for a look and it turns out it's a Bulgarian Shop/Centre which still had more than 100 in a queue outside all with paperwork in their hands. I have no idea what they were doing but the fact that we now have a Bulgarian Centre on the outskirts of Sutton is indicative enough of how many have ventured here since the start of the year.

Politicians have no real idea of the problems being faced everyday because very few decide to live among us. But this is so different from the past. I grew up in the 60/70s in Brixton where we mixed with loads of immigrants and children of immigrants. They came here for a better life and made sure their children integrated. Yes, we had problems, but it's understandable when people are adjusting to change.
Now it's different, they don't want their children to integrate preferring for them to continue speaking their native language and not mixing with local kids.

I fear for the future generations.

[les_taxi]

I grew up in the 60/70's in Brixton where we mixed with loads of immigrants and children of immigrants. They came here for a better life and made sure their children integrated. Yes, we had problems, but it's understandable when people are adjusting to change. Now it's different they don't want their children to integrate preferring for them to continue speaking their native language and not mixing with local kids.
I fear for the future generations

Well said, Bigmarco - I accept that.

What I do object to in the last line of your sentence is - "them and us". That's the problem! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

You're right Marco, the 3 million and the multiculturalism problems just apply to London. We need to take a leaf out of Joe's book, join the Flat Earth Society & move up to Manchester where it's all hunky dory

[joebloggs]

Romanians and Bulgarians are mostly Christians.

Well, you can blame this gov and previous govts for the uncontrolled immigration from the EU.

[joebloggs]

You're right Marco, the 3 million and the multiculturalism problems just apply to London. We need to take a leaf out of Joe's book, join the Flat Earth Society & move up to Manchester where it's all hunky dory

Tell me Dedworth, does your misses consider herself Filipino or British?

No problems up here, maybe we are more tolerant. :wink:

Unlike you, Dedworth


Zero Tolerance - you know it makes sense

[KeithD]

Where do you get 100 years from? We were a stable population up to the late '50s with just the Irish coming in and out. .

Nope. After WW1 around 60,000 people from the EU & Asia arrived in the UK having fought for us in the war, more again after WW2. In the 1800's we had tens of thousands of African slaves given the freedom of the country. Not long after 1066, the country was overrun by the French, mostly in the south. This is why a large percentage of our language, and some of our DNA is French.

[les_taxi]

Joe has depressed me, I'm having to play my Morrissey albums now to cheer myself up.

[joebloggs]

Joe has depressed me, I'm having to play my Morrissey albums now to cheer myself up.

You know quality when you hear it, Les :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Didn't you see 'Live At The Palladium', Salford pub landlord, Paul Heaton was on :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Michael Parnham]

Where do you get 100 years from? We were a stable population up to the late '50s with just the Irish coming in and out.

Mass immigration started with West Indies in the 50s. Nothing by today's standards, plus they were Christian.

I know these conversations develop, but I have been talking about the growing Muslim population and how it will change this country in the not too distant future to a backward view of the world and Sharia law. No other group has wanted to do that.

Followed by an influx of Hungarians if you remember! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[les_taxi]

Yes, love the Smiths and Morrissey - never been to see him though,wish I had. I have the 'Who put the M in Manchester?' concert on dvd and it's brill.

Loved the 'Housemartens' and 'Beautiful South' too.

Just to show I have no hard feelings to anything you say, here is a song for you :biggrin:

pWzWtqY1Ar4

[joebloggs]

Yes love the smiths and Morrissey -never been to see him though, wish I had. I have the 'Who put the M in Manchester?' concert on dvd and it's brill.

Loved the 'Housemartens' and 'Beautiful South' too.

Just to show I have no hard feelings to anything you say, here is a song for you :biggrin:

pWzWtqY1Ar4

:xxgrinning--00xx3: That we agree on :biggrin:

[Dedworth]

You're sounding very much like LastLid Joe :wink:, first


But you've added to it by marrying a filipina

Now


Tell me Dedworth, does your misses consider herself Filipino or British?

No problems up here, maybe we are more tolerant :wink:

Unlike you, Dedworth

Mrs D came over here as a "needed" immigrant on a work visa to help out the NHS - here we are in 2014, the EU & Comecon can't come up with the goods and thankfully NHS recruiters are once again in the Philippines.

Like many of her compatriots she holds 2 passports, is a proud Filipino, has the smug satisfaction of knowing she does a worthwhile job, is a member of a community who have seamlessly integrated into UK society, are hard working, 99% honest and law abiding and despite there being 300000 of them most Brits hardly know they exist.

How does this compare with some of the rubbish you seek to defend ?

[joebloggs]

You're sounding very much like LastLid, Joe :wink:, first



Now



Mrs D came over here as a "needed" immigrant on a work visa to help out the NHS - here we are in 2014, the EU & Comecon can't come up with the goods and thankfully NHS recruiters are once again in the Philippines.

Like many of her compatriots she holds 2 passports, is a proud Filipino, has the smug satisfaction of knowing she does a worthwhile job and is a member of a community who have seamlessly integrated into UK society, are hard working, 99% honest and law abiding and despite there being 300000 of them most Brits hardly know they exist.

How does this compare with some of the rubbish you seek to defend ?

Now what rubbish is that Dedworth? I think you'll find that describes most people who came to the UK on work-permits, whether they are from the Phils or any other country, whether they are Muslim or not :wink:

[Dedworth]

Now what rubbish is that Dedworth? I think you'll find that describes most people who came to the UK on work-permits, whether they are from the Phils or any other country, whether they are Muslim or not :wink:

Eastern European trash, so called "asylum seekers" aka economic migrants, arranged brides, spurious students, Roma, Irish travellers................all this lot pitched up on work permits did they Joe ? EU unfortunately exempted

[Pete/London]

Neither do the Poles or non British people in the UK.

Like I asked Les before, how does he tell if someone is Muslim or not, unless he asks them?

He's very good, he can tell by looking at them if they are Christian, Atheist, Muslim or Hindu. Like you say, they don't wear badges :cwm25:

I know the area of East London and going on these wonderful gov stats about how many immigrants were coming into the country from non EU countries, down to the low thousands, maybe they can explain how these areas are now swamped with non Euro migrants. I also worked in these areas for various charity organisations and housing associations. Then you also look at the growth of Mosques in the same areas and it stops becoming rocket science.

[Pete/London]

In response to Win2Win

A few thousand here or there is not on the same level as what we have had since the 60s,
:Erm:

Anyway, I blame the Romans for all our troubles :doh

[malolos]

We have run out of homes for the immigrants. What will Dedworth do if the government billets 2 Muslims at his place?

[tiger31]

And that's coming from 2 people who are living in another country, adding to it's 'multiculturalism', where you can't even buy property, never mind try to get citizenship. And from Les, who's living in a town with a population of 70k :wink:

You've seen the tragic story of Alan Henning in the news,
'multiculturalism' working in Salford. Read the article, look at the names of his friends.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-29488895

Yes Joe, the same friends - or one of them - that reported to ISIS that they had a foreigner with them half an hour after he crossed the border. Who needs friends like that?

[tiger31]

But you've added to it by marrying a filipina :cwm25:

Not just the estate Dedworth, Salford and Greater Manchester. By far the majority of people - no matter what colour, race or religion - tolerate each other and get on with their lives in peace.

Filipinas integrate, many Muslims do not and will not

[KeithD]

A few thousand here or there is not on the same level as what we have had since the 60s,
:Erm:

It is in relation to the size of the population at the time, and the fact we are only comparing them with Muslim immigration, which forms only a small percentage.

The biggest immigration came from Scotland, Ireland and Wales, and that upset a lot of communities at the time. Now we are just one happy family .... apart from 42% miserable Scottish buggers :icon_lol: :xxparty-smiley-004:

[fred]

And that's coming from 2 people who are living in another country, adding to it's 'multiculturalism', where you can't even buy property, never mind try to get citizenship. And from Les, who's living in a town with a population of 70k :wink:







http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-29488895

When I come to live in this country, I brought with me my own capital, started a legitimate business, pay taxes, give employment to locals, help young family members with accommodation in a centrally located city so that they can study or work. I fully integrate with the locals, try to speak their language and eat Filipino food etc., have many Filipino friends.. I am extremely careful to constantly research the law and abide by it and adhere to B.I regulations and remain a legal resident.

What's wrong with that?

It's true that I cannot buy land, but don't forget, I can inherit 50% of it if anything should happen to my wife (GOD forbid!) and the rest goes to my kids..

When I pop my clogs, the kids will have it all anyway.

If immigrants entering the UK had a similar attitude to mine, then there would be no problem.. On the contrary..The country would thrive.

In regards the citizenship thing..Why would I want to change it?

How would it benefit me?

[fred]

Like I said, no one should be above British law, Sharia, EU or anyone else's. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519519/Muslim-Patrol-jailed-harassing-couple-holding-hands-men-drinking-bid-enforce-Sharia-law-East-London.html

Also, the 'leader' of these idiots is a White Brit

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2559426/Converts-Islam-jailed-terrorising-streets-Muslim-Patrol-banned-promoting-Sharia-Law-FIVE-YEARS.html

Looks like this was a one off unless you have links to any more 'Sharia patrols'?

It makes NO difference to me if he was white, black or green.. Its the backward and barbaric religion that he follows that offends me.

Yes..I do have other links of no-go areas in London and other parts of the UK with British whites and Blacks being intimidated by Pakistani and Somali Muslims.. Do you want me to post them?

The Somali Muslims are a particularly scary bunch as most of them were brought up in and were actively involved in war zones..Now running around in London terrorizing Brit Citizens..

[Michael Parnham]

It makes NO difference to me if he was white,black or green.. Its the backward and barbaric religion that he follows that offends me.

Yes..I do have other links of no-go areas in London and other parts of the UK with British whites and Blacks being intimidated by Pakistani and Somali Muslims.. Do you want me to post them?

The Somali Muslims are a particularly scary bunch as most of them were brought up in and were actively involved in war zones..Now running around in London terrorizing Brit Citizens..

That's a new one on me, never knew there were any no-go areas in UK :Erm:

[fred]

That's a new one on me, never knew there were any no-go areas in UK :Erm:

Michael.. Take a look at this video when you have the time and then let me know if you would want to stroll in these areas after dark..

There is a part 2 if you are interested.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoieo6yYQ4I

[KeithD]

Plenty of no-go areas in Liverpool, I never had a problem in any of them, and I spent a lot of time in many of them piddled out of my head. :Cuckoo: Unless you are looking for trouble, you rarely find it.

[les_taxi]

Plenty of no-go areas in Liverpool, I never had a problem in any of them, and I spent a lot of time in many of them piddled out of my head. :Cuckoo: Unless you are looking for trouble, you rarely find it.
That's coz they were all your mates lol

[Ako Si Jamie]

Dedworth's street is a no-go area if you happen to be a Pikey.

[Arthur Little]

Dedworth's street is a no-go area if you happen to be a Pikey.

:gp: ... Pikeys brave enough to stray into that particular vicinity would be liable to find themselves at a de(a)d end.

[Dedworth]

:icon_lol:

The filth never stray onto any of the thousand upon thousand acres of Crown Estate Land - I wonder why :smile:

[Michael Parnham]

Michael.. Take a look at this video when you have the time and then let me know if you would want to stroll in these areas after dark..

There is a part 2 if you are interested.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoieo6yYQ4I

I've never seen anything like this in my life, frightening really, never realised that there were areas with so many horrible foreigners with such aggressive attitudes.

You know, I've never been out at night unless driving to a specific destination. The last time I ever walked through a town in an evening for a night out was around early 1970's, most of my life I have been too busy working! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

Unfortunately Michael, our spineless politicians have made this country the destination of choice for the scum of the earth, who will stop at nothing to get here either legally or illegally. Some simpletons welcome them in the name of multiculturalism :mad:

[grahamw48]

Too true Dedworth.

A once proud nation riddled with parasites from top to bottom. :NoNo:

[raynaputi]

Kurdish mother-of-two launches suicide attack to slow Islamic State advance in desperate battle for Kobane

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2782092/Mystery-surrounds-fate-Kurdish-female-fighter-poster-girl-reports-emerge-killed-bullet-avoid-taken-hostage-ISIS.html

She got more balls than any man I know! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[les_taxi]

Wow a true Heroine -total respect to her.R.I.P

[KeithD]

So she's a martyr for doing it, and yet if a Palestinian mother-of-two blew herself up to protect her family and took some Israeli troops with her, she's a terrorist! :Erm:

[les_taxi]

Yes she is. No comparison.

[les_taxi]

So Keith, you support a group of people who call for the the total annihilation of a whole state?

Don't get me wrong, Israel breaks many laws and I don't agree with all they do. But they don't wish to wipe out millions in one go.

[KeithD]

So Keith, you support a group of people who call for the the total annihillation of a whole state?

I support the Palestinians, whose government recognises Israel. I also support the west who have said they want to wipe out the Islamic STATE. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[raynaputi]

I support the Palestinians, whose government recognises Israel. I also support the west who have said they want to wipe out the Islamic STATE. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[les_taxi]

We will leave it there then:-)

[joebloggs]

Mrs D came over here as a "needed" immigrant on a work visa to help out the NHS - here we are in 2014, the EU & Comecon can't come up with the goods and thankfully NHS recruiters are once again in the Philippines.

How does this compare with some of the rubbish you seek to defend ?


Eastern European trash, so called "asylum seekers" aka economic migrants,

Correct me if I am wrong Dedworth, your wife came to the UK on a work-permit? So in other words, she was an economic migrant


Yes Joe, the same friends - or one of them - that reported to ISIS that they had a foreigner with them half an hour after he crossed the border. Who needs friends like that?

Have you got a link to this? As I haven't seen it anywhere online or on the news.


Plenty of no-go areas in Liverpool, I never had a problem in any of them, and I spent a lot of time in many of them piddled out of my head. :Cuckoo: Unless you are looking for trouble, you rarely find it.

Same in sunny Salford, I've never been attacked and neither has my misses nor any of my family. The only time was when my younger brother was attacked by 2 drunken young yob white British neighbours.

I feel more safe in the UK than in the Phils, I'd rather go thru Moss side or Liverpool than many parts of Manila. Sure, people can find isolated cases of violence here, but for every one you find, you can find more in the Phils.

[nitrox]

The problem is extremism is always born in moderate religion first. You have extreme Muslims and moderate Muslims the same as you have extreme Christians and moderate Christians.

My argument would be that without the initial introduction to "normal" moderate religion extremism wouldn't be born in the first place.

People who practice "moderate religion" still do have a part to play in extremism. Yes they can say "well they went to our place of worship but then they fell into the wrong crowd and now they are an extremist and nothing to do with us"

That's the equivalent of handing a kid a firework and then saying "how we we supposed to know he was going to light it and throw it at someone, it's not our fault!".

The bottom line is if religion did not exist there would be no rallying cry in a certain religion's name to carry out horrific acts. Something all religions are guilty of at some point in time.

I don't know the forum rules on posting about religion so I am keeping my statement brief in the hope I'm not breaking the rules.

-Dan.

[tiger31]

Correct me if I am wrong Dedworth, your wife came to the UK on a work-permit? So in other words, she was an economic migrant



Have you got a link to this? As I haven't seen it anywhere online or on the news.



Same in sunny Salford, I've never been attacked and neither has my misses nor any of my family. The only time was when my younger brother was attacked by 2 drunken young yob white British neighbours.

I feel more safe in the UK than in the Phils, I'd rather go thru Moss side or Liverpool than many parts of Manila. Sure, people can find isolated cases of violence here, but for every one you find, you can find more in the Phils.

https://www.google.com.ph/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDcQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mirror.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld-news%2Fisis-hostage-alan-henning-captured-4267466&ei=bWkzVOjhLKPKigKM-YGQBA&usg=AFQjCNGzMvSuPOGF1m8BOmnVheW8OscGJA&sig2=yXJ5Gwx4Z67LC50oNlIXRw&bvm=bv.76943099,d.cGE

[joebloggs]

https://www.google.com.ph/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDcQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mirror.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld-news%2Fisis-hostage-alan-henning-captured-4267466&ei=bWkzVOjhLKPKigKM-YGQBA&usg=AFQjCNGzMvSuPOGF1m8BOmnVheW8OscGJA&sig2=yXJ5Gwx4Z67LC50oNlIXRw&bvm=bv.76943099,d.cGE



As reported by The Sun, members of his aid convoy pleaded with his kidnappers, telling them he was a dedicated charity worker.

However, the brutal terrorists refused to release him and insisted he was a spy.

The masked terrorist with a London accent warned he would be next in the gruesome video which showed the killing of aid worker David Haines.

It is now thought that the ISIS militants were tipped off by corrupt officials before they kidnapped Mr Henning.

A source told The Sun: “The group were held up at the border with Turkey for two hours over supposed problems with their paperwork — which could suggest they were being deliberately delayed while IS were told of their presence in Syria.


So there is no evidence, just thoughts and 'which could suggest' :NoNo:

You suggest his friends had tipped them off. Looks like they did all they could to stop them taking him

It's not the first time he had been. I think this was his 3rd trip

[joebloggs]

The problem is extremism is always born in moderate religion first. You have extreme Muslims and moderate Muslims the same as you have extreme Christians and moderate Christians.

My argument would be that without the initial introduction to "normal" moderate religion extremism wouldn't be born in the first place.

People who practice "moderate religion" still do have a part to play in extremism. Yes they can say "well they went to our place of worship but then they fell into the wrong crowd and now they are an extremist and nothing to do with us"

That's the equivalent of handing a kid a firework and then saying "how we we supposed to know he was going to light it and throw it at someone, it's not our fault!".

The bottom line is if religion did not exist there would be no rallying cry in a certain religion's name to carry out horrific acts. Something all religions are guilty of at some point in time.

I don't know the forum rules on posting about religion so I am keeping my statement brief in the hope I'm not breaking the rules.

-Dan.

Well it's a good thing that more people now say they are of no religion in the UK


Between 2001 and 2011 there has been a decrease in people who identify as Christian (from 71.7 per cent to 59.3 per cent) and an increase in those reporting no religion (from 14.8 per cent to 25.1 per cent). There were increases in the other main religious group categories, with the number of Muslims increasing the most (from 3.0 per cent to 4.8 per cent).


http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/2011-census/key-statistics-for-local-authorities-in-england-and-wales/rpt-religion.html

[KeithD]

I often wonder how long Joe and Les have been married? :Erm: :Wave: :heartshape1:

[les_taxi]

Me and Joe just have a civil partnership lol

[grahamw48]

The problem is extremism is always born in moderate religion first. You have extreme Muslims and moderate Muslims the same as you have extreme Christians and moderate Christians.

My argument would be that without the initial introduction to "normal" moderate religion extremism wouldn't be born in the first place.

People who practice "moderate religion" still do have a part to play in extremism. Yes they can say "well they went to our place of worship but then they fell into the wrong crowd and now they are an extremist and nothing to do with us"

That's the equivalent of handing a kid a firework and then saying "how we we supposed to know he was going to light it and throw it at someone, it's not our fault!".

The bottom line is if religion did not exist there would be no rallying cry in a certain religion's name to carry out horrific acts. Something all religions are guilty of at some point in time.

I don't know the forum rules on posting about religion so I am keeping my statement brief in the hope I'm not breaking the rules.

-Dan.


Good post sir ! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

.

http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag455/grahamw58/eskimo_zpsb645ddc2.jpg

[Ako Si Jamie]

Multiculturalism isn't the problem. Religion and mass immigration is.

[nitrox]

Well it's a good thing that more people now say they are of no religion in the UK

Absolutely! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[les_taxi]

People who are westernised are different again. My local filling station has a Sikh and he is mint. I have a right laugh with him. He says he pulled a bird whilst out on the piss. I have a laugh with him and asked if I pulled his turban right fast would he spin round! Great guy, the side of multiculturalism that works with me.

[andy222]

Me and Joe just have a civil partnership lol
I thought you had high standards Joe. :icon_lol: I have to admit I haven't come across a Sikh who does not integrate. The ones I have met are very friendly.

[SimonH]

I thought you had high standards Joe. :icon_lol: I have to admit I haven't come across a Sikh who does not integrate. The ones I have met are very friendly.


Careful Les, Andy's getting jealous! :Rasp:

[Ako Si Jamie]

I thought you had high standards Joe.:icon_lol:. I have to admit I havnt come across a sikh who does not intergrate the ones I have met are very friendly.Very true. Sikhs find it easier to integrate because they have a love of pubs too hehe

[andy222]

:icon_lol: Your wife must have thought have that one up, Simon. A bit quick for you. :biggrin:

[Arthur Little]

Very true. Sikhs find it easier to integrate because they have a love of pubs too hehe

Do they? Well ... :anerikke: ... I didn't know that! :NoNo:

[les_taxi]

They integrate - and boy, look at the difference! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Ako Si Jamie]

Do they? Well ... :anerikke: ... I didn't know that! :NoNo:Yeah, they're on our level when it comes to boozing :icon_lol:.Plus they like their football and obviously cricket and ruby murrays so they blend in well. They even own pubs too which is an ideal place to go if you like a curry and a pint at the same time while watching the footy. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[KeithD]

If we use those Brits who appear on the Jeremy Kyle Show as a snapshot of the general population, we need all the immigrant help we can get. :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

Yeah, they're on our level when it comes to boozing :icon_lol:.Plus they like their football and obviously cricket and ruby murrays so they blend in well. They even own pubs too which is an ideal place to go if you like a curry and a pint at the same time while watching the footy. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

You won't be permitted to marry one though

[les_taxi]

Curry, football, beer and women :Jump: - is there anything I have missed off?

[Pete/London]

Curry, football, beer and women :Jump: - is there anything I have missed off?

They're not too keen on Muslims

[fred]

Curry, football, beer and women :Jump: - is there anything I have missed off?

Yes. You got the list order wrong.

[Michael Parnham]

If we use those Brits who appear on the Jeremy Kyle Show as a snapshot of the general population, we need all the immigrant help we can get. :biggrin:

All those Brits on Jeremy Kyle show ought to made to go in the army and use that wasted energy in Syria against Isis!:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[les_taxi]

Yes. You got the list order wrong.

How could I have done that :icon_lol: Beer,football,Curry and women:xxgrinning--00xx3::biggrin:

[fred]

How could I have done that :icon_lol: Beer,football,Curry and women:xxgrinning--00xx3::biggrin:

Now your talking!!:icon_lol:

[Ako Si Jamie]

You won't be permitted to marry one thoughThe girl I was with before I met Maria is from a Sikh background but like you Graham, she is an atheist hehe.

And if we had decided to get married, nobody would have stopped us.

[Ako Si Jamie]

How could I have done that :icon_lol: Beer,football,Curry and women:xxgrinning--00xx3::biggrin:One of my old haunts even had a PC on the bar to surf the net, so you can add this forum to that list, Les.

[les_taxi]

The forum is so addictive!

Especially when you have opposing points of view which is commonplace, ha ha

[grahamw48]

The girl I was with before I met Maria is from a Sikh background but like you Graham, she is an atheist hehe.

And if we had decided to get married, nobody would have stopped us.

Though as I'm sure you are aware, that would have been very much the exception, as arranged marriages are still the norm in Sikh communities. Indeed girls have been killed for going against tradition.

[KeithD]

I used to play Hide and Sikh :Erm:

[Arthur Little]

I used to play Hide and Sikh :Erm:

... until you got "Sikh" of it, in t'urban areas of Liverpool? :wink:

[Ako Si Jamie]

If we use those Brits who appear on the Jeremy Kyle Show as a snapshot of the general population, we need all the immigrant help we can get. :biggrin:Should be renamed The Rocky Horror Show

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSdAASBg378KYkX2U-0TruRs1LYQhxnA4DoaIp7aMNqQinJfiyW
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[les_taxi]

:yikes: All need a trip to the dentist too :icon_lol:

[Ako Si Jamie]

Here's a question for you. Keith will probably know this.

Which former Liverpool footballer appeared on the Jeremy Kyle show?

[Dedworth]

Here's a question for you. Keith will probably know this.

Which former Liverpool footballer appeared on the Jeremy Kyle show?

Razor Ruddock ? He was on that bailiff programme If you can't pay we'll take it away

[Ako Si Jamie]

Razor Ruddock ? He was on that bailiff programme If you can't pay we'll take it awayNope. Not Razor.

[Pete/London]

Stan the man

[les_taxi]

Neil Ruddock after googling!

[grahamw48]

George Best ? :Erm:

[les_taxi]

Gascoine would be the obvious choice :icon_lol:

[Ako Si Jamie]

Not Stan Collymore. Gazza and Best didn't play for Liverpool so it wasn't them.

Was Ruddock on the show, Les? I didn't know that, but it's not the answer I'm looking for.

And stop cheating! :biggrin:

[Ako Si Jamie]

Here's the answer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wskWkI6EB2g

[Terpe]

UK Muslims set up funds for family of hostage killed by IS

The killing of Alan Henning, a British hostage held by Islamic State (IS) militant group, has caused anger and turmoil for many who knew him, and many who didn’t. Notably, many of the most prominent voices of anguish have come from Britain’s Islamic community.

Source (http://www.arabnews.com/world/news/642701)

[grahamw48]

Public relations bonanza for the muslims here.

I'm not buying it.