CIA interrogation methods saved thousands of lives

[Dedworth]

The Senate Intelligence Committee has released its majority report on Central Intelligence Agency detention and interrogation in the wake of 9/11.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/cia-interrogations-saved-lives-1418142644

:xxgrinning--00xx3::appl: All the way with the CIA

[grahamw48]

I really can't get my head round all this self-flagellation. This stupid urge to rake over and expose, to hang out one's dirty washing in public, to endanger one's country and citizens' lives in this way.

It's a war. Careless words cost lives.

Whatever the truth, whatever the rights or wrongs, this is all grist to the mill for the haters of the USA and its allies. :NoNo:

[Dedworth]

I really can't get my head round all this self-flagellation. This stupid urge to rake over and expose, to hang out one's dirty washing in public, to endanger one's country and citizens' lives in this way.

It's a war. Careless words cost lives.

Whatever the truth, whatever the rights or wrongs, this is all grist to the mill for the haters of the USA and its allies. :NoNo:

Leftists, traitors and handwringers Graham par for the course

[Doc Alan]

History repeating itself, after a fashion. Still a moral maze, with difficult questions to contemplate and answer.


http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/02/25/the-water-cure


https://alarob.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/a-brief-history-of-waterboarding/


http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21636073-senate-report-cia-torture-sparks-fury-shining-light-past

[joebloggs]

Of course Dedworth, you would not mind being tortured even thou you were innocent :wink:


Innocent people imprisoned by the CIA

At least 26 of the 119 prisoners (22%) held by the CIA were subsequently found by the CIA to have been improperly detained,[5] many having also experienced torture.[14][21] Under the Memorandum of Notification signed by President George W. Bush to establish the CIA detention program, only persons who "pose a continuing, serious threat of violence or death to U.S. persons and interests or planning terrorist activities" were eligible for detention.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_CIA_torture#Innocent_people_imprisoned_by_the_CIA

[Dedworth]

Dick Cheney: "We asked the Agency to take steps to catch the .......s who killed 3,000 of us on 9/11 and that is exactly what they did. They deserve a lot of credit.’'

:appl:

[joebloggs]

The man who killed Osama Bin Laden documentary


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6YpWSfZ150


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UTijlIKa7U

[Doc Alan]

I’m no politician, but to me a redacted report on CIA activities, and an Inquiry ( ended without conclusions ) into allegations of torture of Filipinos by American troops over a century previously, beg more questions than answers :doh. Was torture justifiable ONLY after the attacks of September 11 2001 ; or to deal with Filipinos who wanted independence ; or ANY time by ANY nation in the futile pursuit of absolute security ? Is it really as simple as hawks like Dick Cheney make out ?


Arguably ALL countries fail to live up to the ethical standards they claim for themselves, but there’s a whiff of hypocrisy in a superpower, using torture on more than one occasion, still claiming moral arguments to underpin its global vision for human rights and democracy.


As a doctor I’m appalled at the descriptions of torture used – rectal infusions and the water " cure " , never mind the rest, which certainly have no beneficial effects on the victims :NoNo:. Sadly there are many examples of torture elsewhere in the world, and suffering through war, famine, and lack of medications for treatable illnesses, which are a reality over which I have no control.


All Forum members should at least know something of Philippines history. That’s why I posted my response, not off topic, in my opinion.

But I’ll leave it to other members more knowledgeable than me to continue the debate - if they wish - on last week’s Senate Report.

[joebloggs]

I notice Dedworth didn't answer my question about whether he would mind being tortured even if he was innocent. I take it the answer is he would mind, thou it's ok to torture other innocent people. :NoNo:

It's :icon_lol: to say the CIA saved 1000's of lives. How many innocent people in the past have died because of their actions in other countries? How many democratically-elected governments did they help bring down? and replace them with dictators who went on to slaughter 1000s of innocent people :NoNo:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-timeline-of-cia-atrocities/5348804

Saved 1000's of lives? Their hands are covered in blood! :NoNo:

[Dedworth]

I notice Dedworth didn't answer my question about whether he would mind being tortured even if he was innocent. I take it the answer is he would mind, thou it's ok to torture other innocent people. :NoNo:

You can take it as what you want Joe :NEW5:


It's :icon_lol: to say the CIA saved 1000's of lives. How many innocent people in the past have died because of their actions in other countries? How many democratically-elected governments did they help bring down? and replace them with dictators who went on to slaughter 1000s of innocent people :NoNo:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-timeline-of-cia-atrocities/5348804

Saved 1000's of lives? Their hands are covered in blood! :NoNo:

Here's a piece from one of your favourite rags

Jihadists cause '5,000 deaths in one month' claiming victims across the world

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/jihadists-cause-5000-deaths-one-4787022

none in the US :Erm:

[joebloggs]

No, they don't do it on their own door step :doh


Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) program to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen prior to and during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, from 1979 to 1989.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

[Dedworth]

Back to the thread title

CIA interrogation methods saved thousands of lives


No, they don't do it on their own door step :doh



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

Maybe a spot of rigorous interrogation might have prevented muslim terrorists killing 84 kids in a Pakistan school earlier :cwm25: