U.S. Marine formally charged with murder

[Terpe]

Prosecutors in the Philippines have formally charged a U.S. Marine with the October murder of a transgender woman.

Pfc. Joseph Scott Pemberton is accused of strangling and drowning Jennifer Laude in a toilet bowl, a case that Filipino advocates have called a “hate crime.”


Source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/12/15/u-s-marine-charged-with-the-murder-of-a-transgender-woman-in-the-philippines/)

[London_Manila]

I wonder if a few USA visas are going to be thrown around this time :wink:

[grahamw48]

I wish they'd stop calling this bloke with fake boobs a woman. :NoNo:

[imagine]

I wish they'd stop calling this bloke with fake boobs a woman. :NoNo:

But what does one call him/her? I would name he/she :anerikke: simply 'it' :icon_lol:

[Michael Parnham]

If born male should be him, and he'll always be male! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Terpe]

Philippines seeks custody of US Marine charged with murder of Filipino transgender woman

The Philippine government asked Washington on Tuesday to turn over custody of a U.S. Marine charged with the murder of a Filipino transgender woman in a looming irritant between the allies.

Source (http://www.startribune.com/world/285927321.html)

[grahamw48]

This lynch mob mentality is an embarrassment to the Filipino people. :NoNo:

[ajisgod2012]

I wish they'd stop calling this bloke with fake boobs a woman. :NoNo:

You really are a bigot!

[ajisgod2012]

But what does one call him/her? I would name he/she :anerikke: simply 'it' :icon_lol:

You call her a her if that is what they choose to be....

[ajisgod2012]

If born male should be him, and he'll always be male! :xxgrinning--00xx3:
Your obscene language will not be tolerated, this is your first and last warning.

You can discuss this in an adult manner if you like, but insults will not be tolerated

edited by Steve.r

[grahamw48]

Here we go. :icon_rolleyes:

[London_Manila]

This lynch mob mentality is an embarrassment to the Filipino people. :NoNo:

I remember when Jennifer Laude's German BF climbed over a fence and pushed a guard
OMG they really went to town on him over that
If whitey does anything wrong they go totally overboard
They even stopped him leaving the country :NoNo:

[London_Manila]

If born male should be him, and he'll always be male! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I have seen a few Bakla walking around who are very convincing and appear to be better looking than most of the women :wink:

Each to their own diba

Let's not forget Pemberton actually killed someone

[Michael Parnham]

I have seen a few Bakla walking around who are very convincing and appear to be better looking than most of the women :wink:

Each to their own diba

Let's not forget Pemberton actually killed someone

I agree, the topic is Murder not Gender! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[fred]

I remember when Jennifer Laude's German BF climbed over a fence and pushed a guard
OMG they really went to town on him over that
If whitey does anything wrong they go totally overboard
They even stopped him leaving the country :NoNo:

Overboard?
He climbed over a military security fence..
There were military guards inside,with guns there to defend the military compound!!
I think he should feel lucky to be alive.

[raynaputi]

He killed someone, regardless of the gender. He must serve time in jail. How many here in the UK would want a foreigner to be in jail if he/she killed someone? There are plenty of news about such instances here in the UK and lots of you guys post it here in the forum in disgust whenever the killers/criminals get away with just a slap on the hand. Why would it be wrong or an embarrassment for the Philippines to want the same thing to this American guy who killed a Filipino?

[Arthur Little]

He killed someone, regardless of the gender. He must serve time in jail.

:gp: ... that's as it should be ... unless the killing was committed in self-defence.

[fred]

He killed someone, regardless of the gender. He must serve time in jail. How many here in the UK would want a foreigner to be in jail if he/she killed someone? There are plenty of news about such instances here in the UK and lots of you guys post it here in the forum in disgust whenever the killers/criminals get away with just a slap on the hand. Why would it be wrong or an embarrassment for the Philippines to want the same thing to this American guy who killed a Filipino?

I think we should wait for the court case too expose some real evidence before any injection of conjecture as to what really happened and why.
Fortunately,for this guy,the U.S military will make VERY sure that he is defended and represented correctly for the duration of the trial which is not normally the case for foreigners here..Thats a fact.
Most murder cases are not even reported..(Accept if there is a nasty foreigner involved)
If he is found guilty then he will suffer for the rest of his life in a Filipino hell hole.
End of.
Most murders in this country are committed by Filipino`s and go unsolved or are forgotten/forgiven either because of blood money or because the Police are not paid to look for evidence.
Justice here sucks,no doubt about it!

[raynaputi]

Justice here sucks,no doubt about it!

I think you can say the same thing here in the UK too. I think Dedworth posted a lot of threads about giving a slap on the hands with criminals here.

[fred]

I think you can say the same thing here in the UK too. I think Dedworth posted a lot of threads about giving a slap on the hands with criminals here.

I think you will find that a murder scene investigation in the UK is absolutely NOTHING like a murder scene investigation in the Philippines these days.
The way the British Police operate and use science now,you can pretty much say any guilty verdict based on DNA evidence is pretty much indisputable.
Here???
OH never mind!!

[bigmarco]

He killed someone, regardless of the gender. He must serve time in jail. How many here in the UK would want a foreigner to be in jail if he/she killed someone? There are plenty of news about such instances here in the UK and lots of you guys post it here in the forum in disgust whenever the killers/criminals get away with just a slap on the hand. Why would it be wrong or an embarrassment for the Philippines to want the same thing to this American guy who killed a Filipino?

I agree assuming he's found guilty. :xxgrinning--00xx3:
It's right and proper to have a trial and let the evidence be heard.

[fred]

I agree assuming he's found guilty. :xxgrinning--00xx3:
It's right and proper to have a trial and let the evidence be heard.

Correct Marco. Thats why I`ll watch this case closely.
I just hope that the U.S don't feel they have too much invested interest here in the R.P to simply hand this young Marine over to the mob..
Somehow,I doubt very much that they will.

[grahamw48]

In the UK he would also be presumed innocent until it was proved otherwise beyond reasonable doubt....for those who have already tried and convicted him. :cwm25:

[bigmarco]

Correct Marco. Thats why I`ll watch this case closely.
I just hope that the U.S don't feel they have too much invested interest here in the R.P to simply hand this young Marine over to the mob..
Somehow,I doubt very much that they will.

I'm sure the US like we do before we extradite anyone are entitled to assurances regarding his fair trial and his treatment before and after any subsequent conviction. After all he's not been proved guilty yet.

[Steve.r]

Most murders in this country are committed by Filipino`s and go unsolved or are forgotten!

Some people have long memories though fred, there were 3 murders last year in our town, all from criminal, terrorist activities from many years before. I guess time catches up when they least expected it.

[fred]

Some people have long memories though fred, there were 3 murders last year in our town, all from criminal, terrorist activities from many years before. I guess time catches up when they least expected it.

Agreed Steve..Often times though,its just the memories that remain..
Look what happened in Maguindanao.. How much further are the families to receiving justice there?
Ellah Joy was murdered in Cebu.. Only suspects were foreigners.
The real culprit remains free and the precious evidence back then was squandered and lost.. Forever.

[London_Manila]

Overboard?
He climbed over a military security fence..
There were military guards inside,with guns there to defend the military compound!!
I think he should feel lucky to be alive.

Nothing was going to happen as there were too many pressmen there also
He probably only did it because he was egged on by the reporters
I still think the German guy got a raw deal and was treated in a disgusting manner
There was nothing in that compound worth protecting anyway

[London_Manila]

Correct Marco. Thats why I`ll watch this case closely.
I just hope that the U.S don't feel they have too much invested interest here in the R.P to simply hand this young Marine over to the mob..
Somehow,I doubt very much that they will.

Of course they will not and if convicted his term in jail will probably be served in the USA after a couple of months in a Pinoy jail and i think that sucks

[London_Manila]

In the UK he would also be presumed innocent until it was proved otherwise beyond reasonable doubt....for those who have already tried and convicted him. :cwm25:

Its not rocket science diba :wink:

I remember some clowns on this forum sticking up for those 2 drug mules in Peru before they came clean and admitted it :NoNo:

[fred]

Its not rocket science diba :wink:

I remember some clowns on this forum sticking up for those 2 drug mules in Peru before they came clean and admitted it :NoNo:

Nothing like that muppet that thinks that foreigners are innocent until proven guilty in the Philippines.


Nothing was going to happen as there were too many pressmen there also
He probably only did it because he was egged on by the reporters
I still think the German guy got a raw deal and was treated in a disgusting manner


I think the idiot was treated very leniently considering he broke the law on camera for all to see. I commend the guards for keeping their cool although they should have had his face on the ground in a heartbeat.
He should have got a good kicking and 6 months inside (off camera) and then deported IMO.

[fred]

I'm sure the US like we do before we extradite anyone are entitled to assurances regarding his fair trial and his treatment before and after any subsequent conviction. After all he's not been proved guilty yet.

The only thing that "entitles" this marine to fair treatment and a fair trial here is the U.S /Philippines visiting forces agreement.
All other foreigners are at the mercy of Filipino justice with almost no assistance from their Embassy/Consul.

[Michael Parnham]

The only thing that "entitles" this marine to fair treatment and a fair trial here is the U.S /Philippines visiting forces agreement.
All other foreigners are at the mercy of Filipino justice with almost no assistance from their Embassy/Consul.

You have a good point there Fred!

[Terpe]

You have a good point there Fred!

Yes, and sadly all too true :furious3:

[London_Manila]

Nothing like that muppet that thinks that foreigners are innocent until proven guilty in the Philippines.



I think the idiot was treated very leniently considering he broke the law on camera for all to see. I commend the guards for keeping their cool although they should have had his face on the ground in a heartbeat.
He should have got a good kicking and 6 months inside (off camera) and then deported IMO.

I think you have fallen into the same trap the Philippine authorities fell into
If the German guy's gf had been a real woman then he would have been treated totally differently
He was ridiculed from the first day he entered the Philippines and zero sympathy was given
Murder is Murder in my book and what victims sexuality happens to be has nothing to do with

[grahamw48]

Alleged murder. :smile:

[fred]

Alleged murder. :smile:

In some people`s book he has been tried, convicted and should be hung up already!

It's because he is a foreigner and - much worse - a U.S marine.

Most ordinary Filipinos are not against the U.S. forces being here helping to defend R.P territory.

A small minority of Communist sympathizers funded from China win the day again in the press.



Murder is Murder in my book and what victims sexuality happens to be has nothing to do with

Murder is murder yes.. It just depends on if it is a foreigner or a Filipino that was the victim.
Murder of foreigners by Filipino`s is 3rd page news and is long forgotten before it is resolved (usually not) in a court room.

Look at the case of the US marine that was murdered in Bel air, a while back.
4 men murdered him right in front of a CCTV camera and were all let out on bail by the Makati regional trial court.


Two of the suspects were not convicted of any crime and two were convicted of homicide and given probation,” Goldberg said. “And so nobody has served the day for that brutal crime. We don’t know why that would happen.”

MANILA, Philippines - The United States is disappointed with a recent Makati City court ruling on the killing of a US Marine outside Bel-Air Village in Makati by four Filipino men in November 2012.
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2014/12/19/1404271/what-about-murder-marine-bel-air


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ycDVpHCONk#t=78

I dont see anyone on here bitching about the many cases such as this.. Sympathy for a German fruit cake that scaled a Military security fence?
Damn!:Erm:

[Ahr]

in the end MONEY TALK :Cuckoo:

[raynaputi]

Court grants Pemberton's motion to suspend trial

MANILA - The Olongapo Regional Trial Court (RTC) has granted the motion of US Marine Joseph Scott Pemberton to suspend proceedings against him in connection with the death of Filipino transgender Jennifer Laude.

Source: http:// www.abs-cbnnews.com/focus/12/23/14/court-grants-pembertons-motion-suspend-trial (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/focus/12/23/14/court-grants-pembertons-motion-suspend-trial)

[Ahr]

Exactly...:biggrin:

[Terpe]

Exactly...:biggrin:

:Erm:

[fred]

:Erm:

What I think he means is "Money talks".

[London_Manila]

in the end MONEY TALK :Cuckoo:

Of course, so expect Laude's family to be paid off or offered visas soon

That's what happened in the recent marine rape case :NoNo:

[London_Manila]

In some people`s book he has been tried, convicted and should be hung up already!

It's because he is a foreigner and - much worse - a U.S marine.

Most ordinary Filipinos are not against the U.S. forces being here helping to defend R.P territory.

A small minority of Communist sympathizers funded from China win the day again in the press.


Murder is murder yes.. It just depends on if it is a foreigner or a Filipino that was the victim.
Murder of foreigners by Filipino`s is 3rd page news and is long forgotten before it is resolved (usually not) in a court room.

Look at the case of the US marine that was murdered in Bel air,a while back.
4 men murdered him right in front of a CCTV camera and were all let out on bail by the Makati regional trial court.



MANILA, Philippines - The United States is disappointed with a recent Makati City court ruling on the killing of a US Marine outside Bel-Air Village in Makati by four Filipino men in November 2012.
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2014/12/19/1404271/what-about-murder-marine-bel-air


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ycDVpHCONk#t=78

I don't see anyone on here bitching about the many cases such as this.. Sympathy for a German fruit cake that scaled a Military security fence?
Damn! :Erm:

This case was/is a travesty of justice also.

I took a keen interest in this case as I know that area very well.

The fact that these murderers were given probation was an insult to the victim.

Of course money buys many things.

Pemberton is hardly a lone victim in all of this and the USA will be doing everything they can behind the scenes.

You seem fast to jump to this guys defence without a second thought for the person who was killed.

I want to see justice in this case without interference from a superpower.

[fred]

You seem fast to jump to this guys defence without a second thought for the person who was killed.

If he is ever found guilty in a FAIR trial, I think he should be locked up in a Filipino prison for many years.

If the family accept blood money, visas etc for his release, then that's their decision.

That's the way it works here.

[London_Manila]

If he is ever found guilty in a FAIR trial, I think he should be locked up in a Filipino prison for many years.

If the family accept blood money, visas etc for his release, then that's their decision.

That's the way it works here.

Stalling tactics are being employed at the moment, apparently due to the VFA agreement if they dont convict Pemberton within 12 months then he walks free !

[joebloggs]

Philippines rejects U.S. Marine's appeal to drop transgender murder case

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/philippines-rejects-u-s-marines-appeal-to-drop-transgender-murder-case/

[fred]

Another Bayot gets brutally murdered in Davao..
Will we get the same public out cry about this case I wonder?

DAVAO CITY - A gay was found brutally murdered, with multiple stab wounds to her chest, hands tied and a brief stuffed in her mouth.
At 6:00 in the morning last Saturday, the guards of the Philippine Coconut Authority (PCA) in Barangay Bago Oshiro, Tugbok District were shocked when they found the sprawled body of the victim.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/davao/local-news/2015/01/25/gay-brutally-murdered-388443

[Tawi2]

Pinas should never have signed the VFA.

[joebloggs]

A US Marine accused of killing a transgender woman in the Philippines refused to enter a plea Monday to the murder charge filed against him.

US Marine Lance Corporal Joseph Scott Pemberton was escorted by US embassy officials during his arraignment at the regional trial court in Olongapo City, 80 kilometres south of Manila.

The judge entered a not-guilty plea when the 19-year-old Marine did not answer. He is charged with killing Jeffrey "Jennifer" Laude in a hotel in Olongapo City on October 11.

Read more here ....

http://www.dpa-international.com/news/asia/us-marine-refuses-to-enter-plea-in-murder-case-in-philippines-a-44348120.html

[fred]

It would be really stupid for Pemberton to enter a plea whilst his lawyers are busy thrashing out blood money terms.. It all about the money!!
Show me the MONEY!!


Jennifer Laude's mom reportedly open to PHP21-million settlement
She says she needs it for support.


http://manila.coconu...lion-settlement (http://manila.coconuts.co/2015/03/13/jennifer-laudes-mom-reportedly-open-php21-million-settlement)

[Terpe]

Some cultures find the concept of 'blood money' acceptable.
I didn't realise that the Philippines was one of them though :Erm:

[Tawi2]

Some cultures find the concept of 'blood money' acceptable.
I didn't realise that the Philippines was one of them though :Erm:

I actually mentioned the incident on here a few years ago and was at a party last Christmas with the guy himself. I have a friend who was riding a bike from Gensan-Davao or Davao-Gensan, I cant remember if he was coming or going. I think he couldn't remember if he was coming or going either, as I have been told he was under the influence.

Anyway, he hit an old guy - I think the gent was 72? The guy died, my friend was advised by the police who arrived, to book himself into hospital for a few days to give the dust time to settle or he would be arrested, as that's what the crowd who gathered at the scene were baying for. He spent a few days in hospital with minor wounds and ended up paying the old guy's family the equivalent of a few grand sterling, blood money.

[Terpe]

Is that really 'blood money' Tawi, or an under the table illegal pay-off or are they classed the same?

Yes, I've heard of similar cases but only in an illegal sense of graft.
When money talks people listen.

I remember seeing a video from a westerner living here who advised that when faced with such issues always to be sure and pay-off the first person to ask.

[grahamw48]

That is correct advice Peter. Pay the first in line.

[Tawi2]

He gave the family some cash mate, in exchange they didn't pursue the matter. The old guy was past his 'sell by date', he wasn't going to earn any wonga for them, so the family took the money offered. Bird in the hand and all that. It's blood money however it's looked at.

Lots of things operate under the table in Pinas, :anerikke: it's how it works. :icon_lol: If it ever comes on top or you're caught in a compromising situation anywhere in the 3rd world, ALWAYS offer cash to the first person in a position of power who arrives on the scene. By the time his mate turns up that's two you have to pay. By the time you're taken down to the nick, that's 4-5-6 you have to pay and so on up the ladder. :icon_lol:

I know of a Westerner caught p*ssed driving his car in Manila. Plod took him to the cash machine while he withdrew his "fine". If he had refused - and he had taken a ride to the station - things would have gotten a lot more complex and costly in the long run. It's called being street-wise and clued up. :wink:

[fred]

Is that really 'blood money' Tawi, or an under the table illegal pay-off or are they classed the same?

Yes, I've heard of similar cases but only in an illegal sense of graft.
When money talks people listen.

I remember seeing a video from a westerner living here who advised that when faced with such issues always to be sure and pay-off the first person to ask.

Peter.. I`m no expert on this stuff but I have been hearing of these blood money payments for years.
In most criminal cases here you need a "complainant" or "complainants".. I dont normally hear of Police or state prosecutions without a "complainant or an aggrieved relative that presses the case for the prosecution.
I think the modern rate of "blood money" for a poor family is about 100k to drop the case and settle out of court..
Obviously..21 Million is usually unheard of but it is a starting point and a pretty strong message to the family of the U.S marine that anything could be possible where that kind of money is concerned..
If you think about it,that kind of money would change the Mother`s and her dependents life beyond their wildest dreams.. I`d say that the lawyers working on their behalf would take approx. half of that amount.
Interesting to see how this pans out..In the meantime I dont expect the Marine to enter a plea one way or another till negotiations are complete.

[Tawi2]

Pinoys are pragmatists, they make the best of a bad situation. The transgender is dead - there's no bringing him back - BUT there is cash on the table. It would be churlish to refuse :anerikke: "owt's better than nowt", as we used to say.

[fred]

Looks like Pemberton`s family couldn't raise the 21 million.

http://www.sunstar.c...l-begins-399045 (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/breaking-news/2015/03/23/pemberton-trial-begins-399045)
Pemberton trial begins
Monday, March 23, 2015

MANILA -- A court in Olongapo City began the trial of a US Marine charged with murdering a transgender Filipino after allegedly discovering her gender when they checked into a hotel in an emotional case that has tested America's ties with a key Asian ally.

[London_Manila]

I read Laude's family actually rejected the 21 million for a lesser charge.

Surely the money would come from the USA government - not Pemberton's family.

The USA are known for doing dodgy deals - like that last rape case where the victim and her parents ended up living in the USA - after that marine walked free

This marine got drunk took a guy back to a hotel and then lost the plot when he found out it was not a woman .................

My point is this:

The USA likes to push its own agenda in the Philippines with its anti-human-trafficking agenda.

When one of their own commits an offence, they enter into dodgy deals behind the scenes.

[fred]

Lots of conjecture but no facts yet.
A link to the mother turning down 21 million please.