Don't deport my Thai wife!' Plymouth husband's immigration plea as Valentine's Day deadline looms

[joebloggs]

She has been here since 2008 :yikes: she must not have been able to pass the Life in UK Test :cwm25:


Read more here ....

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Don-t-deport-Thai-wife-Plymouth-husband-s/story-26001321-detail/story.html

[Dedworth]

Rules are rules, get off at Reading for the coach to Heathrow

[Terpe]

They have my sympathy.
The rules around the English Language Test were thrown into chaos and UKVI did nothing to explain and clarify. In fact their inaction caused lots of heartache and expense to many.

We have all sorts of stories on here about which way to go or not.

She's here already, she's genuine. If UKVI did not so far give her a chance to secure the correct English Language Test certificate what's wrong with doing that now.

My 2 centavos worth

[imagine]

The rules STINK for everyone :furious3:

[fred]

They have my sympathy.
The rules around the English Language Test were thrown into chaos and UKVI did nothing to explain and clarify. In fact their inaction caused lots of heartache and expense to many.

We have all sorts of stories on here about which way to go or not.

She's here already, she's genuine. If UKVI did not so far give her a chance to secure the correct English Language Test certificate whats wrong with doing that now.

My 2 centavos worth


I agree and think its very sad.
Do Eastern European EU people need to have a good standard of English to enter and live in the UK??

[fred]

Rules are rules, get off at Reading for the coach to Heathrow

The rules suck.

[raynaputi]

They have my sympathy.
The rules around the English Language Test were thrown into chaos and UKVI did nothing to explain and clarify. In fact their inaction caused lots of heartache and expense to lots.

We have all sorts of stories on here about which way to go or not.

She's here already, she's genuine. If UKVI did not so far give her a chance to secure the correct English Language Test certificate whats wrong with doing that now.

My 2 centavos worth

:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

She's here already, she's genuine. If UKVI did not so far give her a chance to secure the correct English Language Test certificate what's wrong with doing that now.

My 2 centavos worth

Make that 3 centavos worth ... :iagree: with you, Peter!

[andy222]

I agree too - she is working and paying tax and NI. Give them a break. I would say give her a limited time to pass the English Test and job done.

[Dedworth]

I agree too - she is working and paying tax and NI. Give them a break. I would say give her a limited time to pass the English Test and job done.

She's had the last 7 years though

[Terpe]

She's had the last 7 years though

That's a bit unfair Ded, we don't know the whole story or the immigration/visa history.
Don't forget those English tests didn't appear in the rules for entry until November 2010

There's been numerous changes since then, including a higher B1 level for settlement.

[Arthur Little]

What I would like to know is, are the non-European partners of non-British EU nationals (who bring theirs to the UK - without so much as paying a penny!) - required to take these infernal :censored: English Language Tests at ANY stage in their immigration journey? Because, if not ... then :Blacklistthatsucks:

[fred]

What I would like to know is, are the non-European partners of non-British EU nationals (who bring theirs to the UK - without so much as paying a penny!) - required to take these infernal :censored: English Language Tests at ANY stage in their immigration journey? Because, if not ... then :Blacklistthatsucks:

Like I said before Art..THE RULES SUCK!
Anyone with half a brain would realize that, apart from Politicians..
What am I saying!! :icon_lol:

[andy222]

That's a bit unfair Ded, we don't know the whole story or the immigration/visa history.
Don't forget those English tests didn't appear in the rules for entry until November 2010

There's been numerous changes since then, including a higher B1 level for settlement.
I think they call that tunnel vision.:doh. I would expect someone like Gwapito to come out with a staement like that.

[Dedworth]

That's a bit unfair Ded, we don't know the whole story or the immigration/visa history.
Don't forget those English tests didn't appear in the rules for entry until November 2010

There's been numerous changes since then, including a higher B1 level for settlement.

We need rules to control non EU immigration unfortunately many genuine applicants are now paying the price because these requirements had to be strengthened due to decades of abuse by fraudsters & con artists predominantly from Africa and the Indian Sub Continent

[fred]

We need rules to control non EU immigration unfortunately many genuine applicants are now paying the price because these requirements had to be strengthened due to decades of abuse by fraudsters & con artists predominantly from Africa and the Indian Sub Continent

But at the detriment of normal hard working, honorable and gullible Brits..
I get your point!
Fortunately for me I didn't have to put up with the BS rules in my time.
If I had, you lot would have seen me in the national papers.

[Dedworth]

But at the detriment of normal hard working, honorable and gullible Brits..
I get your point!
Fortunately for me I didn't have to put up with the BS rules in my time.
If I had,you lot would have seen me in the national papers.

As we all know Fred many of the rodents participating in the decades of duplicity are also abusing their British Citizenship

[fred]

As we all know Fred many of the rodents participating in the decades of duplicity are also abusing their British Citizenship

Yep..But those particular words or people didn't include me or my ilk back then in the day.
Why should it now?
Let's be straight about this.
What gave me the right to bring my loved one to the UK back then but deny other Brits the right to do the same now?
Explain that please.
Cheers..

[Dedworth]

Yep..But those particular words or people didn't include me or my ilk back then in the day.
Why should it now?
Let's be straight about this.
What gave me the right to bring my loved one to the UK back then but deny other Brits the right to do the same now?
Explain that please.
Cheers..

That is the decision our elected rulers have taken Fred. I personally would have favoured things angling towards severe sanctions being imposed on those abusing the system - jail, asset seizure etc. Remember your day was before Labour decided, without consulting the indigenous population, to open the floodgates and create a multicultural shithole full of voters beholden to them.

[fred]

That is the decision our elected rulers have taken Fred. I personally would have favoured things angling towards severe sanctions being imposed on those abusing the system - jail, asset seizure etc. Remember your day was before Labour decided, without consulting the indigenous population, to open the floodgates and create a multicultural shithole full of voters beholden to them.

No doubt about it..It`s a mess..
I doubt that any of us had any clue what we were voting for to be honest in those days.
I knew a little information from what my grandfather explained to me about how we were sold the Common Market story/theory by politicians at the time etc back then, but I doubt any of them could have foretold us of the disastrous decision in regards us joining the EU.

Most of the sanctions you describe now would never have applied to the majority of us quiet and peaceful, loving Brits back then, with no wish other than to be joined with our beloved partners.

Do you see my point?
What can be done?

[joebloggs]

Thai woman 'preparing to leave UK' after losing immigration battle


Read more here .....

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Thai-woman-preparing-leave-UK-losing-immigration/story-26033607-detail/story.html

[Harry T]

I am trying to keep out of the political debate. As many of you know, I believe the Party Political system is outdated.

What I will say is these Political parties try to score points off each other by making promises most of us know they can't or won't keep. I see people on here bringing up politics at almost every opportunity. The political parties are all as bad as each other. I see Labour being blamed for opening the flood gates for immigration. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't most immigrants nowadays from the EU? if my memory serves me right.

Let me refresh your memories; it was the Conservative Party in 1973 - led by Ted Heath - who signed the UK up to Europe. In 1975, Labour held a referendum on "IN" or OUT, and the majority voted to stay in.

In 1987, the Single European Act was signed (by a Conservative Government led by Mrs T). One of the policies was free movement of goods and PERSONS, and the UK decided NOT to opt out. So where this idea that it's Labour who opened the flood gates come from? I have NO idea, as it seems to me that, when most of the major EU decisions have been made it's been the Conservatives who have been in government (Ted, Maggie, Major and Blair) with both parties having the occasional opt out when it suited them.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/history_of_the_european_union_.htm

My whole point in this, is why should genuine people - such as this couple appear to be - and many others on here, have unrealistic and unfair immigration rules foisted upon them as opposed to people born in the EU who often don't even speak more than a word or two of English? Or put another way, why should British Nationals be forced to consider having to emigrate just because they want to be with their loved ones? It's ALL totally wrong, and unfair - and just because the political parties want to find favour with a few more voters. :NoNo:

[joebloggs]

:xxgrinning--00xx3: Labour didn't open the flood gates. That started when we joined the Common Market. What Labour was guilty of - at that time - was not making Poles and citizens of other EU countries wait the maximum of 7 years before they could freely come to the UK, thou they learnt from this and made the Romanians and Bulgarians wait the maximum of 7yrs.

Labour brought in 'The Life in UK Test' but the Tories brought in the English tests and the minimum financial requirements.

It is wrong and unfair. A British Citizen should have a legal right to bring their spouse to the UK as long as they are not a danger to this country.

[joebloggs]

And I if were her husband, she wouldn't be going anywhere! :NoNo: Let them serve her with a deportation notice, where she will be given the right to appeal. Get the press and media around, and see what happens then. :cwm25:

[Arthur Little]

My whole point in this, is why should genuine people - such as this couple appear to be - and many others on here, have unrealistic and unfair immigration rules foisted upon them as opposed to people born in the EU who often don't even speak more than a word or two of English? Or put another way, why should British Nationals be forced to consider having to emigrate just because they want to be with their loved ones? It's ALL totally wrong, and unfair - and just because the political parties want to find favour with a few more voters. :NoNo:

:yeahthat:s it in a nutshell ... couldn't agree more! :gp:'s, Harry.

[Terpe]

Read more here .....

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Thai-woman-preparing-leave-UK-losing-immigration/story-26033607-detail/story.html

From that article:-


......
She has since taken the ‘correct’ exam, but the Home Office has refused to change its original decision......

A spokesman for qualification provider NOCN said Mrs Doidge completed an Entry 1 Functional Skills test, which is not recognised by Home Office requirements for UK citizenship.

........

Not clear what visa she actually holds :Erm:

The article intimates she was going for Citizenship (maybe they mean ILR ??)

[fred]

I am trying to keep out of the political debate. As many of you know, I believe the Party Political system is outdated.

What I will say is these Political parties try to score points off each other by making promises most of us know they can't or won't keep. I see people on here bringing up politics at almost every opportunity. The political parties are all as bad as each other. I see Labour being blamed for opening the flood gates for immigration. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't most immigrants nowadays from the EU? if my memory serves me right.

Let me refresh your memories; it was the Conservative Party in 1973 - led by Ted Heath - who signed the UK up to Europe. In 1975, Labour held a referendum on "IN" or OUT, and the majority voted to stay in.

In 1987, the Single European Act was signed (by a Conservative Government led by Mrs T). One of the policies was free movement of goods and PERSONS, and the UK decided NOT to opt out. So where this idea that it's Labour who opened the flood gates come from? I have NO idea, as it seems to me that, when most of the major EU decisions have been made it's been the Conservatives who have been in government (Ted, Maggie, Major and Blair) with both parties having the occasional opt out when it suited them.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/history_of_the_european_union_.htm

My whole point in this, is why should genuine people - such as this couple appear to be - and many others on here, have unrealistic and unfair immigration rules foisted upon them as opposed to people born in the EU who often don't even speak more than a word or two of English? Or put another way, why should British Nationals be forced to consider having to emigrate just because they want to be with their loved ones? It's ALL totally wrong, and unfair - and just because the political parties want to find favour with a few more voters. :NoNo:

Agree, agree, AGREE!!! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[joebloggs]

From that article:-



Not clear what visa she actually holds :Erm:

The article intimates she was going for Citizenship (maybe they mean ILR ??)

Well it states she lived with him in Plymouth since 2008. If she had a settlement visa then she could have applied for ILR sometime in 2010. Obviously she couldn't have or she wouldn't be in this mess, so maybe she couldn't pass 'The Life in UK Test' and applied for FLR in 2010, got that for 2 yrs and the same again in 2012 (but just before the English Language Test was required). That would take her to 2014 and she's now in trouble because she has taken the wrong English Language test or maybe she couldn't pass it before.

Or maybe she was on a 5-yr Work Permit. Can't see that thou' seeing they've been married 7 yrs.

[Terpe]

If only newspapers would stick with the facts :doh

Then I guess there wouldn't be so many sales to those folks who enjoy tsismis :xxparty-smiley-004:

:biggrin:

[andy222]

I am trying to keep out of the political debate. As many of you know, I believe the Party Political system is outdated.

What I will say is these Political parties try to score points off each other by making promises most of us know they can't or won't keep. I see people on here bringing up politics at almost every opportunity. The political parties are all as bad as each other. I see Labour being blamed for opening the flood gates for immigration. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't most immigrants nowadays from the EU? if my memory serves me right.

Let me refresh your memories; it was the Conservative Party in 1973 - led by Ted Heath - who signed the UK up to Europe. In 1975, Labour held a referendum on "IN" or OUT, and the majority voted to stay in.

In 1987, the Single European Act was signed (by a Conservative Government led by Mrs T). One of the policies was free movement of goods and PERSONS, and the UK decided NOT to opt out. So where this idea that it's Labour who opened the flood gates come from? I have NO idea, as it seems to me that, when most of the major EU decisions have been made it's been the Conservatives who have been in government (Ted, Maggie, Major and Blair) with both parties having the occasional opt out when it suited them.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/history_of_the_european_union_.htm

My whole point in this, is why should genuine people - such as this couple appear to be - and many others on here, have unrealistic and unfair immigration rules foisted upon them as opposed to people born in the EU who often don't even speak more than a word or two of English? Or put another way, why should British Nationals be forced to consider having to emigrate just because they want to be with their loved ones? It's ALL totally wrong, and unfair - and just because the political parties want to find favour with a few more voters. :NoNo:
Funny how Ded and Simon dont mention these things. :xxparty-smiley-004:.
Good post Harry very informative.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

Why do you repeatedly deny it Andy ?? Once you're the last Anglo Saxon standing in your street you will realise

Prior to 1997 immigration was a trickle Labour then opened the gates to an uncontrolled tidal wave :-

Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

Labour sent out ‘search parties’ for immigrants to get them to come to the UK, Lord Mandelson has admitted.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324112/Lord-Mandelson-Immigrants-We-sent-search-parties-hard-Britons-work.html#ixzz3S10mxM9I

[Michael Parnham]

Why do you repeatedly deny it Andy ?? Once you're the last Anglo Saxon standing in you're street you will realise

Prior to 1997 immigration was a trickle Labour then opened the gates to an uncontrolled tidal wave :-

Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

Labour sent out ‘search parties’ for immigrants to get them to come to the UK, Lord Mandelson has admitted.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324112/Lord-Mandelson-Immigrants-We-sent-search-parties-hard-Britons-work.html#ixzz3S10mxM9I

Great find Ded! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Dedworth]

Great find Ded! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Cheers Michael - all in the public domain and never refuted by Labour, Andy (he of the selective memory) would like to see all references erased :wink:

[joebloggs]

Prior to 1997 immigration was a trickle Labour then opened the gates to an uncontrolled tidal wave :-

Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser



What were the trickle figures before 1997 Dedworth? :Erm:

What were these relaxation of controls? If you could please list them :Erm:

[joebloggs]

Cheers Michael - all in the public domain and never refuted by Labour, Andy (he of the selective memory) would like to see all references erased :wink:

I'd like to see some evidence or facts Dedworth. Is that too much for them to publish? I don't see anything at all :anerikke:

[Dedworth]

I'd like to see some evidence or facts Dedworth. Is that too much for them to publish? I don't see anything at all :anerikke:

All in the public domain and never refuted, challenged, denied or taken to court by Labour, Mandelson or Neather. What more do you want :Erm:

[joebloggs]

:anerikke: What is Dedworth ? I just dont see it. Did they just let everyone thru Customs without checking their passports for a few years? :cwm25:

It mentions they relaxed Immigration Rules. Which Immigration Rules? :doh


Funny you mention 1997. Well that's the year Jack Straw scrapped the TORY 'Primary Purpose Rule'. I wonder how many people's spouses on here would have been refused a visa if the Labour party had not. :doh

Michael, if you don't mind me asking: If you had applied for a spouse visa a bit later, would the TORY minimum financial threshold have affected you ?

[andy222]

Why do you repeatedly deny it Andy ?? Once you're the last Anglo Saxon standing in your street you will realise

Prior to 1997 immigration was a trickle Labour then opened the gates to an uncontrolled tidal wave :-

Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

Labour sent out ‘search parties’ for immigrants to get them to come to the UK, Lord Mandelson has admitted.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324112/Lord-Mandelson-Immigrants-We-sent-search-parties-hard-Britons-work.html#ixzz3S10mxM9I
So are you saying Harry's report is wrong?

[Dedworth]

So are you saying Harry's report is wrong?

It covers certain aspects of EU immigration/freedom of movement covered by treaties signed rightly or wrongly by a number of governments.

As you can see though, it didn't cover Labour's secret policy drive to multiculturalism through mass immigration.

As I said Andy, you'll realise what Labour have done when you're the last Anglo Saxon in your neighbourhood. You'd also better start lining up a couple of non hate schools which are becoming scarce in the West Mids :biggrin:

[andy222]

It covers certain aspects of EU immigration/freedom of movement covered by treaties signed rightly or wrongly by a number of governments.

It proves the Tories got us into the mass influx of Europeans. :wink:

[Harry T]

It all depends on what's meant by Mass Immigration. Like Andy 222, I am a Midlander, and during my lifetime there seems in the Midlands to have been two periods of large scale immigration. I can't be sure of the dates, but I would suggest in the 70s when we had lots of Commonwealth immigrants - especially from India & Pakistan - then up until more recent times when immigration seemed steady. But since roughly 2010, the immigration to the UK - especially from Poland - has reached epidemic proportions. No-one - I repeat. no-one - can walk into any major store, walk down any High Street, go into any workplace of 25+ or use any public transport, without hearing usually a Polish voice. The last time i was in Phils i was speaking to a guy from Holland, and he says it is almost the same in his country.

This is why UKIP are becoming more and more popular. Put simply, enough is enough! When a home-grown population starts to become outnumbered by a particular race then it's time to worry. And people are worried, there's no doubts about it! The rise of UKIP is primarily because the 3 main parties are NOT listening to the voices of ordinary people; Labour won't commit to a referendum, Lib-Dems won't commit to a referendum, Conservatives not until 2017. Why the heck in 2017? Why couldn't we have had one sooner?

This party political system is outdated; they ALL forget the ONE main thing. They are there to serve US, not the beliefs that they think we have. Who on earth ever reads a Party Manifesto? Who has ever seen one? It's all bullshit, served up to people who are, in the main, swayed by a few headlines. :action-smiley-081:

[Dedworth]

This party political system is outdated; they ALL forget the ONE main thing. They are there to serve US, not the beliefs that they think we have. Who on earth ever reads a Party Manifesto? Who has ever seen one? It's all bullshit, served up to people who are, in the main, swayed by a few headlines. :action-smiley-081:

I'd broadly agree - except Labout forgot 2 things:

1) To give us in in/out EU referendum (actually Blair promised twice) on 20 April 2004 he told Parliament it should debate the European constitutional question "in detail and decide upon it" and "then let the people have the final say". Labour manifesto 2005 - "We will put it to the British people in a referendum and campaign wholeheartedly for a 'Yes' vote."

2) Labour also forgot to ask the indigenous British population whether or not we wanted to become a dangerous multicultural dungheap

Andy doesn't recall any of this! :smile:

[joebloggs]

I'd broadly agree - except Labout forgot 2 things:

1) To give us in in/out EU referendum (actually Blair promised twice) on 20 April 2004 he told Parliament it should debate the European constitutional question "in detail and decide upon it" and "then let the people have the final say". Labour manifesto 2005 - "We will put it to the British people in a referendum and campaign wholeheartedly for a 'Yes' vote."

2) Labour also forgot to ask the indigenous British population whether or not we wanted to become a dangerous multicultural dungheap

Andy doesn't recall any of this! :smile:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNoJr0rqq54

That was 2009. Now tell me Dedworth, why didn't he hold a referendum in the last 5 yrs? :cwm25: Oh hang on Dedworth, he's pro-European! :laugher:

[joebloggs]

Plymouth MP's anger as Home Secretary refuses Thai woman's visa appeal


Alison Seabeck, Labour MP for Plymouth Moor View, says Home Secretary Theresa May personally reviewed the case and refused to reverse the decision to deport Mrs Doidge.

“I’m actually quite angry,” Ms Seabeck said.




AN online petition has been created urging the Home Office to allow Jirapon Doidge to stay in the UK.

On Wednesday evening the petition had attracted 16 signatures.

Oh dear :xxparty-smiley-004:

Read more here .

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Plymouth-MP-s-
anger-Home-Secretary-refuses-Thai/story-26048245-detail/story.html (http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Plymouth-MP-s-<br />anger-Home-Secretary-refuses-Thai/story-26048245-detail/story.html)

[Terpe]

Check out the comments at the bottom of the article.

[Harry T]

Yes, I've just checked them Terpe. Not a great deal of Sympathy being shown. I'm afraid this country has had its bellyful of immigration, and even those of us who have a loving relationship are having to suffer now.

I will also add as an aside, I still find the majority of English folk still seem to find a big age gap between couples, somewhat against the grain - especially women!

Me, I'm coming up to 63 this year, and to put it politely I find I have very little in common with women of my own age.

Maybe it's a man thing! :biggrin:

No matter what the circumstances, I can just imagine how they will be feeling right now. They have my sympathy.

[joebloggs]

Check out the comments at the bottom of the article.

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