Illegal migrant workers will have wages seized, vows David Cameron

[Dedworth]

Wages seized by police and face deportation without appeal if they are in the UK illegally

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11619065/Illegal-migrant-workers-will-have-wages-seized-vows-David-Cameron.html

I hope this heralds a relentless, long overdue crackdown on these grubs

[Arthur Little]

Wages seized by police and face deportation without appeal if they are in the UK illegally

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11619065/Illegal-migrant-workers-will-have-wages-seized-vows-David-Cameron.html

I hope this heralds a relentless, long overdue crackdown on these grubs

Hmm ... :yeahthat:'s CERTAINLY food for thought!

[London_Manila]

Whats the point in seizing their wages and its only going to be peanuts anyway :Erm:

Another Tory nonsense gimmick just to attract a few headlines just remove them from the country

The ever useless Theresa May undermining our great Police Force yesterday :NoNo:

[les_taxi]

Good idea and I'm sure that it's a start and good on Theresa May for at least attempting to crack down on stuff like this.

[SimonH]

Nonsense gimmick :laugher:

It's another deterant, I think you'll also find that it's in addition to deportation and not instead of :wink:

You really can't please some people, if nothing had been done they'd be complaining, if something's done then it's not enough or a gimmick, and if you go to the other extreme and shoot them then it's ridiculous and against their human rights :biggrin:

[les_taxi]

Bang on Simon. The more things we do like this the better. Labour certainly would not have tackled stuff like this. They would have made things worse.

[Dedworth]

Bang on Simon. The more things we do like this the better. Labour certainly would not have tackled stuff like this. They would have made things worse.

Labour caused this problem in the first instance.

Had they got in the other week the bum boats of economic migrants from Africa would be getting a Royal Navy escort straight to Plymouth.

[les_taxi]

Yes ded your right damn lucky escape for the country lol

[grahamw48]

It's a move in the right direction.

'Every little helps'.

Let's hope companies are actually properly fined/owners jailed too, instead of receiving the slap on the wrist they've become accustomed to.

The country and its citizens have had the piss taken for far too long. :mad:

[KeithD]

400,000-900,000 Illegals in the country at the last count. No staff to chase them down. Deportation is less than 0.001% of those numbers.

We have enough legislation to get rid of illegals, but we do not employ enough people to do the job. It is that simple.

[les_taxi]

Maybe do Keith but I'm all for new laws powers etc to at least start to get to grips with stuff like this. Hopefully we can look to ban the burka in time ☺

[KeithD]

As I say, we already have more than enough laws to deal with illegals. We can fine the employer, and deport the illegal. You don't need more laws, we just need to enact the ones that we have. Find them, fine them, deport them. So easy..... if they had enough staff. Manpower is the answer, not more meaningless laws.

[grahamw48]

It doesn't take many staff to send a company employing illegals a bill for their fine...and no extra cost for it being a £10,000 fine instead of a £1,000 wrist-slap.

Where there is a will, there is often a cheap and efficient way.

[Tawi2]

Hard times beget hard measures,think Thailand recently with the burmese muslims,they intercepted the boat and towed it to the edge of thai boundaries,i bet boats of people give thailand a wide berth,we need street spot checks in places of high ehnic density example hounslow,southall,leicester,catch someone who cant explain there passport missing or their presence in the UK detain them,DO NOT bail them to return at a later date...........they wont :crazy::thumbsdown::doh

[Dedworth]

We have enough legislation to get rid of illegals, but we do not employ enough people to do the job. It is that simple.

Obviously the Govt don't feel it is that simple - they are going to create a new offence of "illegal working" and extend the “deport first, appeal later” scheme to all immigrants thought to be in the UK illegally. Under coalition the Cons were stymied by the limp wristed Liberals now the gloves can come off

[Tawi2]

Deportation should be exempt from appeal :NoNo:

[Dedworth]

Deportation should be exempt from appeal :NoNo:

It should be immediate - caught working illegally in Hounslow 'Stani Restaurant - cuffed, hooded in the back of the van 10 minute drive to Heathrow Cargo Centre for the next flight to Karachi

[Tawi2]

It should be immediate - caught working illegally in Hounslow 'Stani Restaurant - cuffed, hooded in the back of the van 10 minute drive to Heathrow Cargo Centre for the next flight to Karachi
Yup we really are far too soft,we need to REALLY toughen up,not just cameron lip-service rhetoric :xxaction-smiley-047

[les_taxi]

Well its a start At least we are more centre right than in ages now we don't have lib dens in way.

[Tawi2]

Cameron and May went on a televised immigration raid in london earlier,but only caught one,poor show,must try harder :xxaction-smiley-047

[Dedworth]

Cameron and May went on a televised immigration raid in london earlier,but only caught one,poor show,must try harder :xxaction-smiley-047

Plenty of beds in sheds throughout Slough & Hounslow - they could just hop from what's left of one back garden to the next :biggrin:

[KeithD]

The problem with deportation is that it takes so long, costs a lot of money, and a number of them just come straight back to the UK. :doh

I would imagine the 'appeal later' will be against the Human Right's law.

Good to see the government controlling the borders :xxgrinning--00xx3: Both Tories and Labour have proved they have little power over the EU. With the economy picking up, that means MORE migrants. Hence the rise this year, and that trend will continue.

[grahamw48]

A rise of 50% over the last year. :doh

More than 300,000 NET !

[Ako Si Jamie]

Well its a start At least we are more centre right than in ages now we don't have lib dens in way.You've spelt that wrong Les.

It's Limp Dems. :wink:

[Dedworth]

A rise of 50% over the last year. :doh

More than 300,000 NET !

Here's one piece of absolute filth who found his way into the UK

Revealed: The deadly bombmaking kit of the London black cab driver who built vicious IEDs which killed US soldier and wounded others in Iraq
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/21/18/28F274A700000578-0-image-a-2_1432230305614.jpg


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3091564/Black-cab-driver-built-vicious-IEDs-killed-soldier.html#ixzz3aoM2inIx

And another :-

Abdul Kadir jailed for eight years for child abuse

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/media/images/83147000/jpg/_83147918_abdulkadir.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-32828554

Just a couple of random court reports from today :cwm23:

[grahamw48]

Let's hope the bomber is sent to the US for execution. :mad:

[Dedworth]

Let's hope the bomber is sent to the US for execution. :mad:

Again another reason to be thankful the election didn't go the other way Blair and Bottler never wanted to extradite any muslim extremists

[London_Manila]

Nonsense gimmick :laugher:

It's another deterant, I think you'll also find that it's in addition to deportation and not instead of :wink:

You really can't please some people, if nothing had been done they'd be complaining, if something's done then it's not enough or a gimmick, and if you go to the other extreme and shoot them then it's ridiculous and against their human rights :biggrin:

A Tory smokescreen to try and get the jump on the news that 318,000 more people came into the Uk last year

Camerons promised us to get it down into the tens of thousands :biggrin:

Immigration is out of control and all Cameron can do is come up with ridiculous ideas like steal someones wages :NoNo:

I put it to you Mr Tory that the threat of siezing of wages will not make a blind bit of difference to any illegal immigrant working in the Uk and thats why i class it has just a gimmick

[London_Manila]

A rise of 50% over the last year. :doh

More than 300,000 NET !

So if Labour had an open door policy then how would you describe the Tories efforts :laugher:

Dont forget the Tories mantra was all about getting tough on immigration........

[SimonH]

Immigration is out of control and all Cameron can do is come up with ridiculous ideas like steal someones wages :NoNo:


So someone who works illegally and earns money from that illegal job then has their earnings confiscated is now classed as theft :icon_lol:

[Dedworth]

So someone who works illegally and earns money from that illegal job then has their earnings confiscated is now classed as theft :icon_lol:

:xxgrinning--00xx3:That brings us back to what you said in post ~5


You really can't please some people, if nothing had been done they'd be complaining, if something's done then it's not enough or a gimmick, and if you go to the other extreme and shoot them then it's ridiculous and against their human rights

Maybe a flop house of crammed with illegals next door to London Manila might prompt him to re-evaluate his views :Erm:

[KeithD]

So if Labour had an open door policy then how would you describe the Tories efforts :laugher:

Dont forget the Tories mantra was all about getting tough on immigration........

That's the same open door policy as the Tories have used, due to EU laws the Tories signed us all up for in '92 :doh

The Tories success on immigration is as good as the promise they made not to increase VAT :cwm24:

Don't forget folks, Teresa May is now planning how to stop people like us from bringing our wives over, as she said that she is going to put a big dent in the number of non-EU migrants. Expect visa prices to jump up, the minimum wage allowance to increase, and many other things to force the British men to find lazy ugly slaggy Brit wives. :yikes:

[Dedworth]

That's the same open door policy as the Tories have used, due to EU laws the Tories signed us all up for in '92 :doh

The Tories success on immigration is as good as the promise they made not to increase VAT :cwm24:

Don't forget folks, Teresa May is now planning how to stop people like us from bringing our wives over, as she said that she is going to put a big dent in the number of non-EU migrants. Expect visa prices to jump up, the minimum wage allowance to increase, and many other things to force the British men to find lazy ugly slaggy Brit wives. :yikes:

Would that be the same open door immigration policy that was relentlessly pursued 1997 - 2010 :Erm::Erm: :-

Labour threw open Britain's borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a "truly multicultural" country, a former Government adviser has revealed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

[KeithD]

Would that be the same open door immigration policy that was relentlessly pursued 1997 - 2010 :Erm::Erm: :-



Labour had no choice, nor would the Tories if they had been in power, as is clearly evident now. The Tories signed the open border policy, and the new countries that it would apply to who would join the EU happened during the Labour years. It takes about a decade for a country to be integrated, and most of them who would join were known during Major's term. If the Tories had won in '98, then the EU law on open borders would have applied to them, and the same flow the eastern European countries would of still happened.

As Cameron is suffering from the same problem as Blair, due to the Tory signing of the open border policy, then you can't blame Blair or Cameron for what Major did, as they both are handcuffed by EU law.

[grahamw48]

Correct Keith.

Some of us voted against joining the EU/and all its other names many years ago and have kept to that anti-EU stance over the years...realising what we as a nation would have to forfeit.

Any party or politician who is pro-EU is one I don't vote for.

[les_taxi]

Clearly some sore Labour bad losers on here. Can we have Joe back !

[Dedworth]

Clearly some sore Labour bad losers on here. Can we have Joe back !

Still missing in action I'm afraid :bigcry:

[KeithD]

Clearly some sore Labour bad losers on here. Can we have Joe back !

Where? Most people are just pointing our government failures regardless of who is in power.

[Dedworth]

Where? Most people are just pointing our government failures regardless of who is in power.

I hope this election sounded alarm bells for the self serving metropolitan elite of all political persuasions :wink: time will tell

[Iani]

That ideas plain nasty. Yes take the hard won (albeit illegal) wages from some very badly paid guy. No, instead we should be going after the bigger targets

Fine anyone employing an illegal worker a minimum of 10k PLUS all legal costs and costs of deporting said worker.
Complain it's hard to tell? No it isn't, you ask for their passport and no stamp = no employ. It is not rocket science.

Introduce a law so that ONLY degree producing universities and maybe council ran technical colleges can take in foreign students from outside the EU, and these must be recognised useful degrees. Have an end to the college of typing studies, c/o Ramjamfullers Kebab shop. Tighten that so that if said students don't turn up to two lectures in a row, they have to inform the home office.

[grahamw48]

Totally agree Iani.

I've already mentioned the pathetic fines handed out for employing illegals, IF indeed any action is actually taken at all.

Punish businesses where it hurts them...in the pocket, plus jail-time for any repeat offences. :mad:

[Dedworth]

That ideas plain nasty. Yes take the hard won (albeit illegal) wages from some very badly paid guy. No, instead we should be going after the bigger targets

Fine anyone employing an illegal worker a minimum of 10k PLUS all legal costs and costs of deporting said worker.
Complain it's hard to tell? No it isn't, you ask for their passport and no stamp = no employ. It is not rocket science.

Introduce a law so that ONLY degree producing universities and maybe council ran technical colleges can take in foreign students from outside the EU, and these must be recognised useful degrees. Have an end to the college of typing studies, c/o Ramjamfullers Kebab shop. Tighten that so that if said students don't turn up to two lectures in a row, they have to inform the home office.

Take their wages and ship them out, there are already £10k fines for employing illegals the problem is most of them are never paid. Anyone employing illegals should be jailed then banned from running a business for life. It's all very well feeling sorry for the badly paid illegal but at the end of the day he his keeping legal workers out of a job and giving his employer an advantage over law abiding firms.

I've spent two years badgering and meeting the Police and latterly the local council over a 'Stani restaurant that has been raided twice with 4 illegals nabbed (claiming they're students, temporarily staying there etc) . 2 were shipped out and the owner is involved in appeals and judicial reviews over the other two - I can't be told the full SP because of these legal angles, data protection etc. I've learned that as the rules and laws stand now it is hard and frustrating to enforce. I doubt if any fines will be paid particularly as the place has just started trading under a different name - standard ploy I'm told and they're surprised it took him this long. The only plus side is being told that sticking my oar in has improved the relationship & communication locally between Immigration Enforcement, the Police & Council.

[grahamw48]

Keep up the good work Dedworth. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[les_taxi]

Well done Dedworth :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[London_Manila]

So someone who works illegally and earns money from that illegal job then has their earnings confiscated is now classed as theft :icon_lol:

I still fail to see how this helps in the fight against illegal immigration :anerikke:

[London_Manila]

:xxgrinning--00xx3:That brings us back to what you said in post ~5



Maybe a flop house of crammed with illegals next door to London Manila might prompt him to re-evaluate his views :Erm:

My street is full of houses full up with poles and they are allowed to be here :Help1:

Whether legal or illegal there are still way too many in the UK

[London_Manila]

I hope this election sounded alarm bells for the self serving metropolitan elite of all political persuasions :wink: time will tell

Sorry Dedworth you turned the immigration debate into a political football by laying all the blame at Labour's door :ReadIt:

Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that any governments hands are tied when it comes to European migration so constantly blaming the Labour Party all the time is ridiculous

[gm47]

But isn't the biggest problem that if any illegals are caught, how do you prove which country they are from to send them back to ?? The first thing they do if they arrive here by legal means before overstaying is to get rid of their passport.

I suggest a big holding compound somewhere in Slough :) where they are held until they can provide the genuine information as to which country they belong to. Obtain new passport then get rid. Of course the holding centre can't be too nice or they will never leave.

The funniest story that I did read in newspapers + was on the radio and TV was last year some time, some guy that we had been trying to deport for years, he had children born in this country but somewhere still managed to deport him, on the way to the airport he remembered that he was homosexual and would be in danger of his life if he was returned. The van had to return him to wherever he had been held. Anyone know how this turned out ??

[grahamw48]

I believe when they put him in a cell with a dozen REAL homosexuals, he had a change of heart. :smile:

[London_Manila]

But isn't the biggest problem that if any illegals are caught, how do you prove which country they are from to send them back to ?? The first thing they do if they arrive here by legal means before overstaying is to get rid of their passport.

I suggest a big holding compound somewhere in Slough :) where they are held until they can provide the genuine information as to which country they belong to. Obtain new passport then get rid. Of course the holding centre can't be too nice or they will never leave.

The funniest story that I did read in newspapers + was on the radio and TV was last year some time, some guy that we had been trying to deport for years, he had children born in this country but somewhere still managed to deport him, on the way to the airport he remembered that he was homosexual and would be in danger of his life if he was returned. The van had to return him to wherever he had been held. Anyone know how this turned out ??

That's true, the first thing most of these illegals do, is rip up their passports so then we have no idea as to where to deport them to

[Tawi2]

I suggest a big holding compound somewhere in Slough :)
Slough IS ALREADY a virtual holding compound :icon_lol:

[les_taxi]

We can always send them to Blackpool-it's like Slough but with sea:icon_lol:

[Arthur Little]

My street is full of houses full up with poles and they are allowed to be here :Help1:

Poles ... really? :cwm24: ... what sort of poles? :Erm: ... y'mean washing :biggrin: or telegraph poles? :icon_lol: I thought the latter ... :anerikke: ... at least their lines of communication :telephone: all went underground nowadays!