In or Out?

[Longweekend]

Well what will you be voting for in the upcoming European referendum? I at one time was for staying in but recently it does seem that nobody seems to know what they are doing in the running of the union, especially the migrant situation...:NoNo:

[Arthur Little]

Well what will you be voting for in the upcoming European referendum?

:poke: ... OUT!

[Michael Parnham]

:poke: ... OUT!

Sorry Arthur have to disagree, reason being, three million jobs are linked to us trading with the EU and being in the EU means lower prices in our shops also due to the European arrest warrant we can arrest criminals across the EU and leaving the EU wont end immigration. Countries that want free access to Europe's market of 500 million have to accept free movement - as Norway and Switzerland have done, with higher rates of immigration than us. Leaving would also mean our border controls would move from Calais to Dover. We pay a membership fee into the EU but get more back in return for being a member also holidaymakers get free emergency healthcare in EU countries and we're free to move and live anywhere we want in the EU.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[fred]

Out!!!

[Michael Parnham]

Out!!!

Oh dear, don't mean to rattle anyone's cage Fred, just my opinion!:anerikke:

[SimonH]

Are we doing the Hokey Cokey :Erm:

[Michael Parnham]

I live in the UK Simon so I have to do what I think is best for us and I'm sure you'll do what's best for you:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[SimonH]

Just food for thought, if we voted no then would we still be classed as a European Economic Area such as the likes of Norway and Iceland.
Not a part of the EU but still having the same trading advantages :Erm:

[fred]

Here is Farage completely owning Carwin Jones on an IN or OUT debate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syElZ2KmGs4


Are we doing the Hokey Cokey :Erm:

And thats what its all about!

[fred]

I live in the UK Simon so I have to do what I think is best for us and I'm sure you'll do what's best for you:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Believe it or not Micheal..As a British citizen I have just as much right as you have to vote OUT and I will be doing just that.:biggrin:

[SimonH]

I live in the UK Simon so I have to do what I think is best for us and I'm sure you'll do what's best for you:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Michael, I live in the UK too. It's just that I'm lucky enough to be able to spend a few months over winter here :smile:
I'll be back early February and working to be able to do the same next year :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[fred]

Just food for thought, if we voted no then would we still be classed as a European Economic Area such as the likes of Norway and Iceland.
Not a part of the EU but still having the same trading advantages :Erm:

Switzerland and those countries you mentioned opted out of the EU and have to pay a tariff to do business in the EEA..
Because (unlike us) they can negotiate their own trade deals globally, they are in fact very wealthy and independent countries.
For some strange reason,British politicians are no longer very confident that British people are capable of doing the same..They are also using scare tactics,saying that some major businesses in the U.K would up and leave if we get out...Nothing could be further from the truth.
Meanwhile,Brit tax payers have to shell out 50 Million Quid a day into the EU pot..Far more than many other EU member nations that take far far more than they give..
OGGY OGGY OGGY.....OUT OUT OUT!!!!:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[SimonH]

Didn't realise you were a Max Boyce fan Fred :biggrin:

I'm in total agreement with you :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Michael Parnham]

We do get £66 million investment every day from EU countries creating even more jobs and opportunities for families here in the UK, over 200,000 UK businesses trade with the EU and if we left the EU cost of imports would increase by 11billion - meaning that prices will go up!

[SimonH]

We do get £66 million investment every day from EU countries creating even more jobs and opportunities for families here in the UK, over 200,000 UK businesses trade with the EU and if we left the EU cost of imports would increase by 11billion - meaning that prices will go up!

Interesting figure Michael, where does that 11 Billion come from :Erm:

[Michael Parnham]

Interesting figure Michael, where does that 11 Billion come from :Erm:

Simon go to website, strongerin.co.uk:wink:

[SimonH]

Simon go to website, strongerin.co.uk:wink:

Michael, I don't need to :wink: the title of the website provides all the biased information I need :biggrin:

[fred]

Michael, I don't need to :wink: the title of the website provides all the biased information I need :biggrin:

Probably funded by the E.U..
Really a David and Goliath referendum battle on the way..The EU purse will fund the stay in lot massively IMO because if the UK Domino falls the rest could easily follow.

[stevewool]

I am leaving the UK soon and if I am still here to vote it will be for OUT ,
All we are is a dumping ground , just my thoughts maybe but its my thought's that matter most to me

[Longweekend]

The longer we are part of the union the more it seems we have less say in the law making of our own country... :mad:

[Trefor]

Right now I'm in the 'out' camp. Even if it costs us a bit of trade to control our own borders and get out of this moneypit that the EU has become. I used to be strongly in the 'in' camp, but I've come to realise that some things matter more than a bit of trade. And I'm no socialist...

[Michael Parnham]

Well, I suppose I'll be the only one voting to stay in:anerikke:

[mickcant]

I'm for out, but at my age it makes little difference to me!
The politician's will cock things up either way :NoNo:
Mick.:smile:

[Terpe]

It's taken centuries of war and bitterness for Europe to finally find a common pathway.

What a shame it would be that UK would trigger a break-down of that.

If you consider the EU as a single entity it's by far the biggest economy on the planet.

If I lived in UK I'd probably vote 'out' although only for emotional reasons not logic or economic.
Solely as expat my best interests are with a united EU

[stevewool]

I agree Peter, if we are to come out this will cause a domino effect and many others will follow,
Europe will not allow that so what Mr Cameron is asking for he will get but is it what the country needs,
Again just my own thoughtd

[fred]

It's taken centuries of war and bitterness for Europe to finally find a common pathway.

What a shame it would be that UK would trigger a break-down of that.

If you consider the EU as a single entity it's by far the biggest economy on the planet.

If I lived in UK I'd probably vote 'out' although only for emotional reasons not logic or economic.
Solely as expat my best interests are with a united EU

I agree in the sense that its best for European countries to be united.. Just not as a political union IMO..
We have totally different cultures and traditions and a different mind set..That uniqueness between our neighbouring countries for me used to be something very special whilst we were all allowed to be independent and different back then.
When I listen to Nigel Farage for instance,I know in my heart of hearts that I have far more in common with him than I do Martin schulz!!
My personal opinion is that the likes of Schulz and Merkel dont really like us and will be extremely reluctant to relinquish us the former British Democratic old school independence that I miss so much today..

[fred]

I agree in the sense that its best for European countries to be united.. Just not as a political union IMO..
We have totally different cultures and traditions and a different mind set..That uniqueness between our neighbouring countries for me used to be something very special whilst we were all allowed to be independent and different back then.
When I listen to Nigel Farage for instance,I know in my heart of hearts that I have far more in common with him than I do Martin schulz!!
My personal opinion is that the likes of Schulz and Merkel dont really like us and will be extremely reluctant to relinquish us the former British Democratic old school independence that I miss so much today..I think this is a major reason that I left and have not returned for nearly 10 years..
Its quite enough reading about the changes being made via media and the internet let alone going there to see the carnage of change for myself.

[Trefor]

Cameron will get the demands he is making. My concern is that they are not enough to swing most people's opinions. A migrant not getting benefits for 4 years is still a migrant. They will end up living on the street/in the underworld. Most people are fed up of what appears to by uk.ltd losing out to Europe - fishing for example.

I want a common market and an EU with a good spread of responsibility. For example, Poland has said 'no' to any migrants settling there, but they're upset when their countryfolk face losing benefits settling in the UK. Not an even playing field - especially since we're not just out of the cold war, Poland is a happening place nowadays.

I don't see what I want happening with the attempt at a Federal system by unelected people in Brussels. Hence my view being 'out'. When we vote out (and imagine the panic in Brussels as the opinion polls come out), I think long-term we may end up with a 2 tier EU membership with Britain being asked to come back into it. Which we should.

[Michael Parnham]

Cameron will get the demands he is making. My concern is that they are not enough to swing most people's opinions. A migrant not getting benefits for 4 years is still a migrant. They will end up living on the street/in the underworld. Most people are fed up of what appears to by uk.ltd losing out to Europe - fishing for example.

I want a common market and an EU with a good spread of responsibility. For example, Poland has said 'no' to any migrants settling there, but they're upset when their countryfolk face losing benefits settling in the UK. Not an even playing field - especially since we're not just out of the cold war, Poland is a happening place nowadays.

I don't see what I want happening with the attempt at a Federal system by unelected people in Brussels. Hence my view being 'out'. When we vote out (and imagine the panic in Brussels as the opinion polls come out), I think long-term we may end up with a 2 tier EU membership with Britain being asked to come back into it. Which we should.

Interesting:Erm:

[Arthur Little]

Didn't realise you were a Max Boyce fan Fred :biggrin:

:cwm24: ... wow ..... Max Boyce! :yeahthat:'s going back a bit, Simon.

[Longweekend]

I wonder how many of the 1,000,000 + migrants who entered Germany will want to come to the UK once they receive their EU passport....:cwm25:

[bigmarco]

Out

[Ako Si Jamie]

The longer we are part of the union the more it seems we have less say in the law making of our own country... :mad:

This! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[KeithD]

Out. It will not make a blind bit of difference with how the EU deal with us, as the UK will still be the only English speaking country they can use to leverage with the rest of the English speaking world. A number of major companies have said they are staying regardless of the vote. Independence would also mean setting our own trade tariffs and taxes, put us in a more competitive situation to bring in more business than we get now. It would give us the chance to become the main western trading hub, such as Singapore is in Asia.

Remember, we have only been part of the EU since the seventies, for thousands of years we did fine by ourselves, and the EU will not last forever.

[stevewool]

Out. It will not make a blind bit of difference with how the EU deal with us, as the UK will still be the only English speaking country they can use to leverage with the rest of the English speaking world. A number of major companies have said they are staying regardless of the vote. Independence would also mean setting our own trade tariffs and taxes, put us in a more competitive situation to bring in more business than we get now. It would give us the chance to become the main western trading hub, such as Singapore is in Asia.

Remember, we have only been part of the EU since the seventies, for thousands of years we did fine by ourselves, and the EU will not last forever.



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