"Like Science Fiction Nightmare", Say Christian Bakers In Gay Marriage Case

[Arthur Little]

Pair insist they'd do it again ... and I, for one, admire them for sticking to their guns. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/12133736/its-like-a-science-fiction-nightmare-say-Christian-bakers-in-gay-marriage-cake-case.html

[Arthur Little]

:olddude: ... lest anyone should think I am homophobic, I'm NOT, :nono-1-1: ... I simply adhere to the traditional view that marriage is intended to be between two people of the opposite gender.

[SimonH]

Good for them, if they don't like poofs then it's their prerogative not to serve them :biggrin:

[Michael Parnham]

I think gays and lessie's have a serious brain problem because something's not right, just my opinion:anerikke:

[Michael Parnham]

:olddude: ... lest anyone should think I am homophobic, I'm NOT, :nono-1-1: ... I simply adhere to the traditional view that marriage is intended to be between two people of the opposite gender.

Correct Arthur:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

So if you had children or grand children and they came to tell you they where gay, would you still think they have a brain problem ,
Being the father of a gay son you see things different from someone who has no idea , live and let live i say, but like you its just my opinion

[Longweekend]

Difficult decision when it affects you, one just hopes that your offspring follow the usual route......:cwm25:

[raynaputi]

I have gay friends and relatives and I don't think they have serious brain problems. They're just normal people with different preferences like everyone else. I'd be happy to have them as company than be with people judging others' lives through their gender preferences.

[stevewool]

Difficult decision when it affects you, one just hopes that your offspring follow the usual route......:cwm25:

Thats the problem these days what is the usual route, times are indeed changing,
Most of our parents married and lived together no matter what, till death do us part and it does still happen , but look at some of us , 2/3 or even more wives , older wives , younger wives ,
I use to say when i was in the Phils , look at them he is old enough to be her dad, even grandad, and Ems use to say, AS LONG AS THEY ARE HAPPY WHAT HAS IT TO DO WITH OTHERS, WISE WOULDS,
I now live by that , what has it got to do with others

[stevewool]

I have gay friends and relatives and I don't think they have serious brain problems. They're just normal people with different preferences like everyone else. I'd be happy to have them as company than be with people judging others' lives through their gender preferences.

Indeed

[Arthur Little]

:iagree: BOTH Steve and Rayna have raised :gp:s. NONE of us ... :anerikke: ... after all, is given the choice as to our [inate] sexual orientation.

:yeahthat: ... in other words, individual sexual preferences are inborn! Because of this, of course, I'm fully aware there will always be those who "bat the other way", so to speak. Although relieved to be totally heterosexual, I am equally conscious of the expression, "there but for the grace of God, go I!" Therefore, if I discovered I had a close relative who turned out to be gay, it certainly wouldn't mean I'd love that person any the less. :NoNo:

Having said as much, I still maintain that sanctioning 'gay marriage' is a step too far.

I hope I've managed to make myself clear. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

Thank you Arthur,
I was not getting at you at all about this thread, and i also say what these people stood up for is right too,
Its the silly remarks that gays and lessies have something wrong with them , silly words

[SimonH]

It's about discrimination and nothing else. The couple in question should be allowed to sell or not sell to who they wish.
To put it into perspective I'm going to find a Muslim owned cake shop and order a Christening cake, with the words welcome to the Christian world on it. I wonder if I'll be served or more to the point will the shop owners be taken to court when they don't serve me :Erm:

[stevewool]

It's about discrimination and nothing else. The couple in question should be allowed to sell or not sell to who they wish.
To put it into perspective I'm going to find a Muslim owned cake shop and order a Christening cake, with the words welcome to the Christian world on it. I wonder if I'll be served or more to the point will the shop owners be taken to court when they don't serve me :Erm:



I agree too, you should be allowed to say no, I am sure there will be someone else prepared to help you further down the road

[bigmarco]

I have gay friends and relatives and I don't think they have serious brain problems. They're just normal people with different preferences like everyone else. I'd be happy to have them as company than be with people judging others' lives through their gender preferences.

Sadly I wasn't able to give you a rep but I'll owe you one. A truly sensible post among some downright nastiness.

[stevewool]

Thanks for the rep Marco, and I get that too, must pass reps around

[Ako Si Jamie]

I can't say I'm surprised that these people were taken to court. After all, in this day and age in the UK, if you're either gay, muslim, or originate from Angola, you have more rights than anyone else. The rest of us don't deserve to have rights and beliefs it seems. :NoNo:

[raynaputi]

Sadly I wasn't able to give you a rep but I'll owe you one. A truly sensible post among some downright nastiness.

Thanks Marco..I can't just grasp the hate towards gays/lesbians around here..among the other things. :NoNo:

[jake]

Having said as much, I still maintain that sanctioning 'gay marriage' is a step too far.

Do you also feel the same way about Civil partnerships?

[johncar54]

I just wish the world only had the, so called ‘problem’ of there being homosexuals, as long as my right not be be one is respected and I am not forced to support views and lifestyles which I do not wish to do so.

In the case of the bakers: I see it should be one’s right to serve people, be friends with or not, etc anyone you do not want to associate with.

I live in Spain, I don’t want a law which says the Spanish must like me. If they do that’s great if not, so what and I will continue not, at every opportunity, to shove my proclivities down their throats, insisting they have to accept them.

[mendoza82]

I have a gay brother,believe me he brings joy to our family.he is unique and have this ability to make everyone smile/laugh in his effortless way.i love gays and I think they deserve a fair respect like every men and women get.Thats my opinion.

[johncar54]

I have a gay brother,believe me he brings joy to our family.he is unique and have this ability to make everyone smile/laugh in his effortless way.i love gays and I think they deserve a fair respect like every men and women get.Thats my opinion.

Don't you think we have lost the plot ?

We should not respect people, because they are gay, black, tall, short, stupid etc. If we respect them because of their differences we are discriminating for or against them, instead of just accepting them as fellow human beings who we like or don't like.

[SimonH]

Thanks Marco..I can't just grasp the hate towards gays/lesbians around here..among the other things. :NoNo:

Strange, I've seen no hate shown towards anyone.
Just a personal view which didn't express any emotion of hatred :cwm25:

[stevewool]

There are lots of people in this world and maybe there are a few people on this forum who are lets say not the norm, but does that make us any different from each other, we all breath and we all will one day die,
Like you say Simon it was a personal view but it did say he thinks that gays and lessies have a brain problem,
I could not stay quite on this at all and i dont think anyone who has a son , daughter or any friend who are different to us so called normal people as they say thats why i replied ,
My son i love and i am proud of him , he works hard saves hard , drinks to much, and has such a gathering of great friends girls and boys he is just amazing, i see him no different to anyones child,
Again this is just my opinion just like ever other person on here, but please try to get your facts rights before we start calling someone who maybe is a little different then ourselves

[SimonH]

My thoughts too Steve. I know several gay people and some are very good friends, just because I used the term 'poof' doesn't mean I think any less of them. In fact I use this term affectionately to their face. They just laugh as they know I don't mean any offence :smile:

[stevewool]

instead of just accepting them as fellow human beings who we like or don't like.

Well said that man :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Michael Parnham]

My thoughts too Steve. I know several gay people and some are very good friends, just because I used the term 'poof' doesn't mean I think any less of them. In fact I use this term affectionately to their face. They just laugh as they know I don't mean any offence :smile:

Correct!:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

My thoughts too Steve. I know several gay people and some are very good friends, just because I used the term 'poof' doesn't mean I think any less of them. In fact I use this term affectionately to their face. They just laugh as they know I don't mean any offence :smile:

And this is what you get Simon, they like to laugh and tell a joke, just like you and me

[stevewool]

I watched the tv the other night 24 hours in A&E,
There was a doctor on there who was gay, infact there seems to be lots of clever people who are different to the norm ,

[Ako Si Jamie]

We should not respect people, because they are gay, black, tall, short, stupid etc. If we respect them because of their differences we are discriminating for or against them, instead of just accepting them as fellow human beings who we like or don't like.

:appl: Absolutely spot on

[Arthur Little]

Do you also feel the same way about Civil partnerships?

NO, Jake ... my first marriage took place in the Church of Scotland very nearly fifty years' ago. Whereas my second happened to be a civil ceremony, the MAIN reason being, I'd heard that the Catholic Church in the Phils was inclined to be somewhat dilatory in sending certificates to local Registry Offices, thereby, of course, delaying the Spousal Visa process.

Clearly, then, I don't see anything wrong with Civil partnerships when - as nature intended (see #2) - they're between participants of the opposite gender. :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

I reserve my right to express my own opinion without meddling and mischievous attention-seeking pain-in-the-backside minorities pressurising me to suck up to them.

If they want to do it, just DO IT for goodness sake...and shut up ! :doh

[bigmarco]

Strange, I've seen no hate shown towards anyone.
Just a personal view which didn't express any emotion of hatred :cwm25:

You said if they don't like poofs they have a right not to serve them.
Presumably you would be fine with someone who doesn't like Asians refusing to serve your wife.

[johncar54]

You said if they don't like poofs they have a right not to serve them.
Presumably you would be fine with someone who doesn't like Asians refusing to serve your wife.

I am British, Irish, have a Filipino wife and we live in Spain. I would not like it but how can I expect to have rights if I would deny other individuals their rights ?

[SimonH]

You said if they don't like poofs they have a right not to serve them.
Presumably you would be fine with someone who doesn't like Asians refusing to serve your wife.

You missed out the fact that I put a :biggrin: at the end of that quote, and also my post #25, in either case no sign of hatred.
If you can find me a religious belief that doesn't like Asians as you put it, then I'll find a shop owner of that religion and see what happens.
As you were :biggrin:

[Arthur Little]

Oh NOOO! :cwm24: ... what's this world coming to for God's sake?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37748681 ... :ReadIt:

[stevewool]

It's a different world we live in, each generation has different views on what they think is right,
Live and let live I say but once this " I think I can have a claim here" and the human rights lawyers and every tom dick and Harry plus Annette jumps on the Eagan it spoils it for others.
Just my thoughts from a dad who has a gay son