Europe and Britex

[grahamw48]

It was fun. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I was there at 7am on the dot. :biggrin:

[Doc Alan]

Thanks Steve, I’ve been happy to contribute on health matters - which it does :xxgrinning--00xx3:!


Meantime, from this week’s " Private Eye " :-


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[Longweekend]

Just voted, so now waiting for the £ to go down but not for long we shall return even stronger.....:biggrin:

[Harry T]

Well, I voted at around 10-30 there was a small queue waiting to vote, arrows showing the way out, i couldnt resist commenting, turn them around the way out is in the voting Booth :smile:

[grahamw48]

Great cartoons :biggrin:.... cheers Alan. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

Thank you Alan :smile: and thank you for your input too, as always a very knowledgeable section :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Michael Parnham]

Didn't realise the 'Private Eye' still existed:Erm:

[SimonH]

For anyone that is still undecided, have read of this:-


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/10565686/The-farce-of-the-EU-travelling-circus.html


Take note of how much the climate change obsessed EU contribute to the Co2 emissions due to this farcical monthly jaunt :cwm23:

[Steve.r]

I have voted

[Longweekend]

For anyone that is still undecided, have read of this:-


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/10565686/The-farce-of-the-EU-travelling-circus.html


Take note of how much the climate change obsessed EU contribute to the Co2 emissions due to this farcical monthly jaunt :cwm23:

It's a absolute rum n' coke...:mad:

[Arthur Little]

Hmm :icon_rolleyes: ... pretty sure I already mentioned somewhere on the forum about Ted Heath signing the documents for membership of the [then] EEC, away back in the mid~1970s - when nearing the end of his term as Prime Minister - knowing full well such action could [possibly] be construed as a an "act of treason".

That is, in the event of :Britain: losing its sovereignty in consequence.

Must check!

Ah, yes ... here you go:

http://www.englishconstitutiongroup.org/the-eu--and-the-uk/

Page 5 - #121 & #122, respectively - of this very thread, in fact! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

Been to vote me and Ems and we even took our own black pens too,
We don't want any funny business here by using pencils and rubbers do we

[stevewool]

WOW i am in shock

[fred]

WOW i am in shock


Not me...Im smoking a cigar and drinking a good ole British cuppa !!
Its our INDEPENDENCE DAY!!
Champagne later..

[stevewool]

Wish i could join you Fred, Forget the cigar though, i will just smell the smoke,
Whats happens now i wonder,
Just watching the news and they are coming out of the woodwork going back on what they was saying, the INS ,
There should be losing there heads people soon i hope, Diane Abbott for one

[grahamw48]

Result ! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Now need the £ to regain its strength.

[SimonH]

Result ! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Now need the £ to regain its strength.


My prediction is it'll drop to around 64 against the Peso today :cwm25:

[Michael Parnham]

Result ! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Now need the £ to regain its strength.

Need to transfer some money Graham, do I do it now or wait until it changes at 10.30 am? It's still at p68.75 at the minute:Erm:

[SimonH]

Need to transfer some money Graham, do I do it now or wait until it changes at 10.30 am? It's still at p68.75 at the minute:Erm:

Do it right now Michael

[Michael Parnham]

Do it right now Michael

Thank you Simon:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Ako Si Jamie]

The 'remain' voters this morning

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[Michael Parnham]

I sincerely hope the outcome doesn't prove regrettable to the British people!

[stevewool]

I sincerely hope the outcome doesn't prove regrettable to the British people!

The majority has spoken Michael, now its all about getting all together and working together, that is what will make us or break us,
The stock market the interest rates, the world economy does not revolve around this , its revolves around everything,
Time will tell,

[stevewool]

The turnout was 72% i wonder what the outcome would have been if the turnout was 100%,
It amazes me something so big and concerns us all yet you still get people not voting ,i wonder if its well nothing will change so i wont bother ,
Can i ask all of you, DID YOU ALL VOTE ,

[stevewool]

Everyone and there dog are saying we must work together now, well it would have been nice if you worked together instead of calling each other horrible names,and they all are saying Europe must change ,
But why did they not make it change without us having to do this , this has been on the cards for a good few years , but like anything nothing happens till something happens ,
There are going to be some heads chopped of in all parties i can see this happening

[Ako Si Jamie]

I sincerely hope the outcome doesn't prove regrettable to the British people! When we originally entered it was called the Common Market where it was all about trade wasn't it?. It's evolved since then to a dictatorship called the EU. I think this is the reason so many wanted to leave.

[fred]

When we originally entered it was called the Common Market where it was all about trade wasn't it?. It's evolved since then to a dictatorship called the EU. I think this is the reason so many wanted to leave.

Very true!!:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[grahamw48]

Glad I paid for my new wall last month...and left some cash with the Mrs. :smile:

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[stevewool]

Glad I paid for my new wall last month...and left some cash with the Mrs. :smile:

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Whats that the start of Graham

[stevewool]

Well soon it will be a whole day since we made the jump and we are still here,
Lots of knives in the backs of many and the so called famous people are so upset, and yet we are all still here,
The peso has gone down to where it was 3 years ago so thats not to bad, if someone can promise me it would stay at this rate for ever i would be a happy chappy.
The only problem i can see is that many many people will be joining me at Farmfods and Aldi for the weekly shop now, so i better plan to go shopping at a different time now, :biggrin:

[jonnijon]

Only problem is going to be, that poison dwarf north of the border.

[grahamw48]

Mrs Kranky ? :thumbsdown:

[Longweekend]

Emotions are high at the moment. This feels a little like a divorce, we were once in love but things turned sour, we then had years of argument. You kind of get used to the arguing but deep down you know its not good. Then you make the break and split. After the euphoria there's the come down. You feel alone and flat, have I done the right thing? Deep down you know you have. Confidence slowly builds and the new chapter in your life unfolds, new opportunities. A new beginning.....:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Longweekend]

Only problem is going to be, that poison dwarf north of the border.

They're saying she's going to wait until she's certain to get the "Yes" win before she calls for one, and that it wont be for at least 2 years.
That could be interesting, as she wants Scotland to remain part of the EU, the rest of the EU are looking for their own "Brexit", theoretically in 2 years time the EU might not be there because other members have voted to leave....:wink:

France, Denmark, Sweden, Italy, Czechoslovakia, looks like these are looking to follow suit.

Before our "Separation time" under Article 50, there might not be anything left to separate from

[grahamw48]

I just feel relief... at having been able to help vote us out after waiting for 40 years to do so. I didn't need to listen to any propaganda or sales talk.

[Ako Si Jamie]

They're saying she's going to wait until she's certain to get the "Yes" win before she calls for one, and that it wont be for at least 2 years.
That could be interesting, as she wants Scotland to remain part of the EU, the rest of the EU are looking for their own "Brexit", theoretically in 2 years time the EU might not be there because other members have voted to leave....:wink:

France, Denmark, Sweden, Italy, Czechoslovakia, looks like these are looking to follow suit.

Before our "Separation time" under Article 50, there might not be anything left to separate from Imagine if Scotland had voted for independence in the last referendum and the EU broke up. :Help1:

[Ako Si Jamie]

Emotions are high at the moment. This feels a little like a divorce, we were once in love but things turned sour, we then had years of argument. You kind of get used to the arguing but deep down you know its not good. Then you make the break and split. After the euphoria there's the come down. You feel alone and flat, have I done the right thing? Deep down you know you have. Confidence slowly builds and the new chapter in your life unfolds, new opportunities. A new beginning.....:xxgrinning--00xx3: Nicely put! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

Emotions are high at the moment. This feels a little like a divorce, we were once in love but things turned sour, we then had years of argument. You kind of get used to the arguing but deep down you know its not good. Then you make the break and split. After the euphoria there's the come down. You feel alone and flat, have I done the right thing? Deep down you know you have. Confidence slowly builds and the new chapter in your life unfolds, new opportunities. A new beginning.....:xxgrinning--00xx3:

I bet this is how many of us men once thought about our own life, but look at many of us now, much more better in life a loving partner who would do anything for you and you would do anything for them,
Yes in time everything works out fine but you have to keep working together to make these things happen

[stevewool]

Whats happened over the last few days , did we have a vote of some kind to leave Europe, and did the vote out win this,
Or was it all a dream, or some sort of joke, or a nightmare for some,

[grahamw48]

Dunno. My ex just ****** off... no votes involved. :cwm3:

[Michael Parnham]

:cwm25: ... 'fraid I hadn't realised there was going to be a BIG DEBATE tonight on ITV :NoNo: ...until, that is, reading about it less than an hour beforehand in today's edition of METRO.

So, thus informed, I switched on the telly and settled down to watch. At first, I thought, :omg: ... poor Boris! Him being the only man on the platform among five feisty women ... each of them with their talons outstretched. Thankfully, two of them - one a Conservative and the other from Labour - were on his side of the fence, and together they held their own in putting up a good, strong argument in the face of [similar] cross~party opposition which also included Scotland's First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon ... a notoriously~tough wee cookie by any standards.

I like Nicola Sturgeon:smile:

[stevewool]

I like Nicola Sturgeon:smile:

There you go Michael, i can see you moving to Scotland in the coming months/ years, and then you be able to stay in the EU too, everyones a winner ,:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Longweekend]

I like Nicola Sturgeon:smile:

Michael,
I'm seriously concerned about your taste....:cwm25:

[grahamw48]

I also like her ... and her Aunty, Angela Merkel. :olddude:

I thought she was really good as Mrs Nesbitt in that Scottish comedy programme too. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Michael Parnham]

Michael,
I'm seriously concerned about your taste....:cwm25:

Lets say I like women with power:biggrin:

[SimonH]

Lets say I like women with power:biggrin:


:cwm25:

[stevewool]

Lets say I like women with power:biggrin:

We know

[stevewool]

Well Its great when things get back to normal or even better then normal sometimes too,
It seems the FTSE has closed above the pre britex level,
You see things go up and they go down, its taken a few days to get and it will continue to grow, sterling is on the up too, it seems like nothing has happened and many of us are getting what we think we are wanting too, here is for good time ahead :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Steve.r]

:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[jonnijon]

A question was asked in the House of Commons yesterday, as to weather pensioners living abroad are going to continue to receive their full pensions. Camerons answer was basically, we will let you know when we know. So its screw the pensioner time again.:cwm23:

[Ako Si Jamie]

Lets say I like women with power:biggrin:

It's a no from me. They get above themselves. Not an endearing trait in my book.

[Arthur Little]

It's a no from me. They get above themselves. Not an endearing trait in my book.

:iagree: ... having had enough dealings with [I]"bolshie" women to last me a lifetime!

[stevewool]

:iagree: ... having had enough dealings with [I]"bolshie" women to last me a lifetime!

What's the saying ,I always have the last say in my house and it's always, YES DEAR

[Ako Si Jamie]

:iagree: ... having had enough dealings with [I]"bolshie" women to last me a lifetime!

Exact word to describe them Arthur. Bolshie! Total turn-off! :Help1::animal-smiley-037:

[Ako Si Jamie]

What's the saying ,I always have the last say in my house and it's always, YES DEAR :icon_lol:

The problem with that though is the more you say yes, the more they expect. :cwm24:

[stevewool]

:icon_lol:

The problem with that though is the more you say yes, the more they expect. :cwm24:

Well some people love to be domineered , but I must say it's not for me

[Ako Si Jamie]

Well some people love to be domineered I suppose it's palatable for thirty minutes so long as you can afford it. :wink:

Otherwise ....:Wave:

[Trefor]

I see Nicola Sturgeon was sent home from the EU with her tail between her legs. Scotland must follow the rules like anyone else. Be an independent nation and then apply. Unfortunately I don't think she really gets it. In the real world when Mrs Sturgeon stops being all Braveheart, Scotland will never be able to join the EU while Spain and a few other countries are members. Why would Spain veto Scotland joining? Well you have to understand Spain first, and the fact that they are fighting strong uprisings from the Catalans and the Basques for independence. By accepting Scotland as an independent nation and helping them join the EU, Spain would weaken itself in a bad way, leading to a breakup (remember the Basques especially are akin to the Northern Irish extreme groups).

Also, I actually wonder whether a second Scottish referendum would actually result in a vote for independence. The numbers didn't add up last time, and now oil is cheaper than ever they certainly won't add up. Coupled to uk.ltd not doing too bad after all in 18 months+ time when this referendum could possibly happen. The canny Scots know when they're on to a good thing as much as anyone else. Result: Scotland remains in the United Kingdom. So shut up Nicola.

By the way, I was very impressed with Ruth Davidson in the recent TV debate. Seems very bright and articulate, and has that great 'Braveheart' style delivery that many Scots have.

[grahamw48]

Agree.

Sturgeon and her cohorts are making fools of the Scots, and living in a dreamworld if they think they can just sidestep the UK 'situation' and cosy back up with the EU. :NoNo:

[stevewool]

Well boys and girls too, this time last week what was we all thinking of, some must have been thinking of a new world , new start and a new future with the people of the UK taking control back , and then there was the other, its the end of the world and the rest of them people are racist and how no idea , we are all doomed,
Well the next day history was made.
And look at us now, we are all still going around doing our daily bits and bobs , in fact the only change is that we are going to get two , yes two new leaders for the parties that many vote for,
I think life is looking good so far and yes a long way to go but we are not alone and i think others may be realizing what we have done is not that bad at all,

[Terpe]

The biggest change for me is my sudden drop in income when converting pounds to Pesos.

I now need to think more carefully about which restaurant to visit and whether or not to travel as much.

I was considering getting a couple of tickets to see Englebert Humperdinck in concert at the Araneta Centre in July but at over P5k each I'll have to sadly knock that on the head in favour of the new refit of our shower room and toilet area. :Erm:

Sad really as I'm quite fond of Englebert.
He used to have a house just up the road from us in UK :wink:

[grahamw48]

Yes, the drop in the pound/peso has rendered me even more potless than I was before... if that is possible. :cwm3:

[jonnijon]

Same here, luckily finished paying for the motor last month so works out even, now.

[jonnijon]

Listen to this Senator in America, we can have what we want.
https://www.facebook.com/ukipsupportsgroup/
SCROLL DOWN TO SENATOR TOM COTTON.

[stevewool]

Well i am reading now that our government are refusing to guarantee foreign European union nationals who are here will be allowed once we leave the EU,
Now i thought this was crazy, if they have been living here for years and working too, whats the problem,
Well the problem is what about our lot who are working over in Europe , with all the hatred towards the British on forcing the EU to look at itself and for putting the rest of the world in crisis too,who knows what will happen to those folk abroad, look at Spain , Gibraltar and France ,
I think what is happening here is , you touch our people who are in your countries , well we can do the same , i MAY be wrong here, but stranger things can happen

[Doc Alan]

It’s clearly impossible to forecast the impact on the health and social care services of leaving the EU.

Several issues do need to be resolved, identified here (http://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/articles/brexit-and-nhs) and elsewhere.

* STAFFING. Many health and social care professionals working in the UK have come from other EU countries - 55,000 of the NHS’s 1.3 million workforce and 80,000 of the similar number of workers in the adult social care sector. BOTH struggle to recruit and retain permanent staff. EU staff already working in the UK are needed - as are future recruits for vacancies which can’t otherwise be filled. There should also be a " level playing field " for those coming to the UK from OUTSIDE the EU.


* ACCESSING TREATMENT. As the population increases it’s likely there will be MORE need for NHS treatment and social care. However, immigrants and visitors tend to be younger, and may not use the services as much as older citizens.

1. European Health Insurance Card / EHIC gives access to state health services in other EU countries. The right to EHIC cards needs to be retained - so that insurers don’t have to bear the costs of medical treatment ( and increase premiums ).

2. Access to health services for UK " expats " living in other EU countries needs to be negotiated, just as access for EU citizens living in the UK.


* REGULATION :-

1.Working Time Directive - a " double-edged sword ", intended to PROTECT healthcare workers - and their patients - from overwork, BUT the 48 hour/week limit affects training / increases shift working.

2.Procurement and competition law - preventing " anti-competitive behaviour " - may not change.

3.Medicines and Clinical Trials - at present " harmonised " across the EU - the UK’s own Medicine and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency needs expanding.


* CROSS-BORDER COOPERATION. The EU has a system for monitoring communicable diseases, and also research and development. It’s VITAL to continue collaboration with EU - and non-EU countries.


* FUNDING / FINANCE. Clearly the most important influence on NHS funding is performance of the ECONOMY. NHS and social services already struggle to live within their existing budgets. Additional funding is needed, and/or ( compulsory ) health insurance.


* Department of Health needs to review EU regulations and either repeal them or replace with UK -drafted alternatives - a time-consuming task !

Meantime, stay POSITIVE - I wish the best possible health for all members and their loved ones, here and in the Philippines :xxgrinning--00xx3:.

[Steve.r]

Thanks for your wishes and insight Alan

[Longweekend]

Just had this interesting read sent to me....


A short list of financial and industrial FUBARs from the EU...
Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers’ pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs.
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU.
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK.
The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK.
We used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.
I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.
Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't.
Still want to stay? Well it must be some consolation that you have Cameron to negotiate in Europe on your behalf.
And of course, the real deal-breaker .... Democracy, transparency and independence. We can vote out our MPs - BUT the European Commission who dictate 55% of UK laws, which are legally binding, are ..... guess what, untouchable, unelected and hidden from view.

[Trefor]

Just think, with all the EU regulations some factories could move back to the UK from Poland/Czech Republic etc. :-) Its a bit like all those call centres which went to India, many companies are now opening up call centres back in the UK again (and using it as a marketing tool).

Edited to add: We will continue to need cheap labour to work on the shop floor of these factories, which means we need young immigrants. I don't see that changing or being stopped completely (maybe only come over with a job offer). This is why Germany opened the doors last year. Yes, that was a mistake but I see the logic behind it, they just need to find a way to integrate these young men (mostly) and then they will be the future blue-collar workers).

[Trefor]

Well i am reading now that our government are refusing to guarantee foreign European union nationals who are here will be allowed once we leave the EU,
Now i thought this was crazy, if they have been living here for years and working too, whats the problem,
Well the problem is what about our lot who are working over in Europe , with all the hatred towards the British on forcing the EU to look at itself and for putting the rest of the world in crisis too,who knows what will happen to those folk abroad, look at Spain , Gibraltar and France ,
I think what is happening here is , you touch our people who are in your countries , well we can do the same , i MAY be wrong here, but stranger things can happen

I am sure this will work out OK, even for those already here and just on benefits (unfortunately).

[grahamw48]

It's just tragic, the loss of our industries, products and skills to other countries this past 40 years... for those of us who can remember. :cwm3:

We have thousands of good 'home-grown' kids waiting to take up the challenge, if they are given the chance.

Proper encouragement, guidance and training is all that is required.

[Longweekend]

IMO a lot of it started when Labour wanted all working class youth to attend University instead of entering into an apprenticeship, we ended up having to bring in plumbers and joiners from Europe and lots of our young kids with a degree but no job....:cwm25:

[grahamw48]

I agree. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

At least introduce degrees in plumbing, etc... in other words, something blinkin useful. :doh

A country should at the very least have the 'in-house' skills (many of which we invented !) to maintain and equip a defence force, agriculture and fisheries, a basic health system, transport and infrastructure, housing, plus communications.

[Longweekend]

Here are 10 of the most useless....

http://www.toptenz.net/to-10-useless-college-classes-degrees.php

[Terpe]

Here are 10 of the most useless....

http://www.toptenz.net/to-10-useless-college-classes-degrees.php

I have a Doctorate in Philosophy and also post grad in Organisational Psychology. I considered both to be invaluable in my career.

I think I would have enjoyed Art History but my enigineering employer wouldn't have supported that. :biggrin:

In general I consider education as the second most important gift, although I do agree that some of the more outlandish ones, as indicated the the list are very hard to justify.