Europe and Britex

[stevewool]

Anyone else watching the bits of news about what would happen if we left Europe,
Well i am getting a little peed of with all these threats from all these so called multi national companies saying its in our best interest to stay,
It seems that the big Unions now are backing us to stay because they have got what they wanted from the government so in return they are going to tell there members that its better to stay in Europe , it will save the jobs and your mortgage will not rise too,
Are all these people right or is there a hidden agenda , like lining all there own pockets , as i said the other day on Question time a local chap, a financial adviser spoke up and said if we left we could pay of the national debt and other things with what we send to Europe, now was he wrong or right,
The more i hear people saying we should stay and if you dont you are silly and its going to cost you thousands in jobs and cash and it will not stop immigration too, it does make you think twice,
But then you wake up and see how Europe is , its trying to be one big supper power a bully , its not a common market its another country thats trying to take over the world , are we so entwined with these people now and we cannot break free i have no idea , but i still dont believe the people who are saying we must stay and some of them i have never heard of, all they seem to be doing is lining there own pockets and also lining up there new jobs/life in the European politics ,
I am confused but i am also still saying its a out for me too, unless someone can tell me the truth that is is better staying in with people i have no idea who they are or i have even voted for,

[Michael Parnham]

United we stand Divided we fall!:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

United we stand Divided we fall!:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Not this day and age , time moves on

[mickcant]

The more I am "told" we should stay the stronger my vote for "leave" becomes. :xxaction-smiley-047
Mick.:crazy:

[stevewool]

The more I am "told" we should stay the stronger my vote for "leave" becomes. :xxaction-smiley-047
Mick.:crazy:

That sums it up perfect Mick

[johncar54]

Having lived in Spain for almost 30 years I do not have any vote in UK (I still am obliged to pay the larger part of my income taxed there).

For those who are so keen on staying in the EU, united we stand etc, why don't you campaign to adopt the Euro ? Or is that different, bit like me living in Spain, paying my taxes in UK, but having no say whether the EU should continue in it's present form ?

In fact, me having no say is rather like being able to decide, contrary to the views of those living in UK, how their lives should be governed, i.e. in effect having 'no say' as they are out numbered !

[fred]

Make no mistake about it...As people,we are on our own...
I make my own personal decisions and my own personnel policies..I save my own cash and decide where best to invest it to better my own family wherever we are in this world...
Politicians do the same as me whilst they lie to you and gouge from the public and European tax funded trough...
Dont be mugs....Be independent of Europe and British socialists liars..Whilst you can..
Teach your kids to do the same before its too late and for their own good..

[stevewool]

Make no mistake about it...As people,we are on our own...
I make my own personal decisions and my own personnel policies..I save my own cash and decide where best to invest it to better my own family wherever we are in this world...
Politicians do the same as me whilst they lie to you and gouge from the public and European tax funded trough...
Dont be mugs....Be independent of Europe and British socialists liars..Whilst you can..
Teach your kids to do the same before its too late and for their own good..

Some people have to be lead , :cwm25:

[Arthur Little]

Slightly :icon_offtopic: ... but, whenever I see that newfangled word, Brexit, my mind seems to latch onto *Britax ... :anerikke: ... *which, of course, those of you with small kids might readily identify as being a specific make of child's car safety seat. :biggrin:

[jonnijon]

What people are not being told is Greece is up for another massive Euro loan next month. Europe is going down the pan fast along with the Euro.:omg:

[Michael Parnham]

Slightly :icon_offtopic: ... but, whenever I see that newfangled word, Brexit, my mind seems to latch onto *Britax ... :anerikke: ... *which, of course, those of you with small kids might readily identify as being a specific make of child's car safety seat. :biggrin:

Same here Arthur, I've always thought they were still in use:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[bigmarco]

The bosses love it because we get the free movement of cheap labour which in turn keeps wages down here.
It's out for me.

[grahamw48]

The bosses love it because we get the free movement of cheap labour which in turn keeps wages down here.
It's out for me.

Exactly.

I see it as being all about economics and big business interests... in other words the people behind the power in this country. The people manipulating our puppets in government, rather than about the QUALITY OF LIFE of British people.

I voted 'NO!' last time, and will be doing so again.

Let's have the remains of our wonderful country back... as bequeathed to us lucky people by millions of Britons who gave their lives in two world wars.

[Trefor]

Exactly.

I see it as being all about economics and big business interests... in other words the people behind the power in this country. The people manipulating our puppets in government, rather than about the QUALITY OF LIFE of British people.

I voted 'NO!' last time, and will be doing so again.

Let's have the remains of our wonderful country back... as bequeathed to us lucky people by millions of Britons who gave their lives in two world wars.

Graham is right, this is all about business and trade. I am an out and out capitalist working in business and I don't give a damn if we will be a few % lower in GDP for a few years, the upside is more than worth it IMO. Yes there are unknowns but even the worst case is not that bad for uk.ltd

So I will vote LEAVE

[grahamw48]

Good man Trefor. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

...And of course the irony of all this is the fact that the British were for centuries one of the world's great INDEPENDENT trading nations, still in the top 5 in the world now, not to mention being the birthplace of the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION.
Something else the EU can thank us for.

'Ye ('Yes' men)) of little faith' . :NoNo:

[stevewool]

Latest one today,
If we leave Europe house prices will crash losing anything from 10% to 18% over the next 2 years, plus your mortgage rate will go up,
But hang about here they have been telling us the last year or so that the housing bubble will crash because they are all to expensive , they just cannot keep going up in the prices like they have been doing,
Come on boys what are these very rich people telling us , to keep them in Europe or US in Europe so they can get more money for the boys,
They are not interested in you or me until they want our vote,

[stevewool]

Slightly :icon_offtopic: ... but, whenever I see that newfangled word, Brexit, my mind seems to latch onto *Britax ... :anerikke: ... *which, of course, those of you with small kids might readily identify as being a specific make of child's car safety seat. :biggrin:

Britax was the first car seat we brought, now where did i put that, maybe back of the loft in the house we had then :cwm25:

[Michael Parnham]

Latest one today,
If we leave Europe house prices will crash losing anything from 10% to 18% over the next 2 years, plus your mortgage rate will go up,
But hang about here they have been telling us the last year or so that the housing bubble will crash because they are all to expensive , they just cannot keep going up in the prices like they have been doing,
Come on boys what are these very rich people telling us , to keep them in Europe or US in Europe so they can get more money for the boys,
They are not interested in you or me until they want our vote,

I'll still be voting in:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

I'll still be voting in:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Good on you Michael, its a free world we live in and we all have to vote for what we believe in too,
I am voting to get out, but if the people vote to stay in i will just carry on as normal and having to go with the flow until i make my own mind up on where i think i would rather be in this world, ,
Nothing will change for the likes of me whether its a in vote or out vote, ENGLAND WILL NOT FALL INTO THE SEA , but i can assure you it will never ever be great or good again if we stay in, just my thoughts maybe , but i am sure i am not alone in this matter

[Tawi2]

Out for me,cameron is backing turkeys membership,turkey with its 97% landmass in asia,thats 77 million islamic brethren,and its porous borders,and turkey with its backhand isis oil deals etc,out.

[Longweekend]

I can guess where many Turks will want to settle, especially if we are paying one of the highest minimum wages in Europe, it's out for me....:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Tawi2]

Turkey,high unemployment,especially amongst the youth,and what makes them eligible for EU membership when 97% of its landmass is in asia?The EU will be the ruination of this country,we survived before the EU and we certainly will without it,membership favours the poorer countries to the detriment of the richer members,if your kids are looking to make the UK their long term future home then OUT is the only sensible solution,the NHS is burdened at the moment due to immigration,wait till theres even more pressure on it and the rivets pop,its gonna blow.

[stevewool]

You see its not just myself i am thinking off, its my children and my children's children, this island we call home is our home , We are a island we dont connect to Europe we are not wanted in Europe we are the trouble maker in Europe,
Europe needs us to stop the flow of other countries wanting to leave once one goes,
Look at the other countries that are wanting to join Europe, what have they got to offer Europe, man power thats all cheap labour ,
Other countries want to bring there scum there thieves, there killers into our lands, they breed like flies no matter whether they could afford to look after there children and they live like pigs , nothing will ever be safe again , Yes bring the few here who want to work and mix with the locals and live by the law of the land , but those who wants to hate and kill the hand that feeds them , well dont give them the chance
Again just my own opinion

[Arthur Little]

Good on you Michael, its a free world we live in and we all have to vote for what we believe in too,
I am voting to get out, but if the people vote to stay in i will just carry on as normal and having to go with the flow until i make my own mind up on where i think i would rather be in this world, ,
Nothing will change for the likes of me whether its a in vote or out vote, ENGLAND WILL NOT FALL INTO THE SEA , but i can assure you it will never ever be great or good again if we stay in, just my thoughts maybe , but i am sure i am not alone in this matter

NO, Steve :NoNo: you're NOT alone in your thinking :nono-1-1: ... things won't change much for the ordinary person, :iagree: It is the BIG businesses who will benefit most from voting to stay.

[Arthur Little]

It is the BIG businesses who will benefit most from voting to stay.

Oh :cwm25: ... and lawbreakers - such as the Romanian rapist - whom :Britain: cannot deport when he completes his prison sentence. WHY? Because European Law will continue to override our centuries~old traditions at every turn leaving us powerless to do anything about it!

[SimonH]

Best not to mention Abu Hamza then :cwm23:

[Tawi2]

Did anyone see the BBC report earlier on the news,wandsworth prison,1 in every 2 prisoners is foreign,one romanian said he loves and is proud of pick pocketing in London,he cant wait to do it again sometimes making 2 or 3 thousand pounds a day:omg:
A 16 year old romanian kid has just been jailed for 36 months,his crime?He and his brother aged 14 beat a 56 year old londoner to death when he asked them not to block the sidewalk,its the beginning of a criminal tsunami.

[Tawi2]

Could be worse,it could be the philippines where this week a guy raped his 3 yearbold daughter,and 3 guys just raped and stabbed to death a 7 year old girl,if cameron backs turkey to join and thats an asian country the PI will be just further down the queue.

[Michael Parnham]

You know, people are so against voting to stay in EU because they think big businesses and the government want us to stay in for some sinister reason like lining their own pockets, so what, these are the ones that provide employment in the UK and we should be helping them to profit by voting to stay in the EU:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Ako Si Jamie]

You know, people are so against voting to stay in EU because they think big businesses and the government want us to stay in for some sinister reason like lining their own pockets, so what, these are the ones that provide employment in the UK and we should be helping them to profit by voting to stay in the EU:xxgrinning--00xx3: Give corporate greed a helping hand? That's like slitting one's own throat.

[stevewool]

You know, people are so against voting to stay in EU because they think big businesses and the government want us to stay in for some sinister reason like lining their own pockets, so what, these are the ones that provide employment in the UK and we should be helping them to profit by voting to stay in the EU:xxgrinning--00xx3:

You may be right there , they do provide employment to the UK but its who they want for these jobs, cheap labour,
If you was in the market for Employment or have a young family to look after , would you still welcome everyone in Europe to come here and get the jobs that you are in, but are working for the low pay that they are offering these Europeans ,
Look hard about the future for England , once you make your vote on the 23rd there will be no going back ,

[jonnijon]

To join the Common Market as it was called, seemed a good idea at the time. The country was being run by the unions, beer and sandwiches were being delivered to the front door of number 10.
Car workers were on strike about three times a week, the country was in a dire state. Wilson was about as much good as a chocolate teapot. Then Jolly Rodger came along (Heath) Less said about him the better.

I was in the fishing industry in those days, and we fought hard and long not to join because we knew what was going to happen to our industry.

[Longweekend]

To listen to some of the UK sea fishing industry people and how they can look out to sea and see European boats catching fish but they cannot is criminal...:mad:

[Longweekend]

If you read the Sunday Express front headline is says '12 million Turks want to come to the UK', now that would certainly put pressure on the NHS and schools.....:cwm23::cwm23:

[London_Manila]

You know, people are so against voting to stay in EU because they think big businesses and the government want us to stay in for some sinister reason like lining their own pockets, so what, these are the ones that provide employment in the UK and we should be helping them to profit by voting to stay in the EU:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Don't you think that this country has enough Eastern Europeans working here already ?

Cheap labour is all they are and it has been proven that the influx of Eastern Europeans keeps wages low

Only when there are no Eastern Europeans around who are willing to work for peanuts will the greedy fat cats start to up the wages and attract British people who by the way are not lazy but they wont work for peanuts

Big business wants to keep the supply of cheap labour coming in and thats why they want us to remain in the European Union

Big business does not care about the normal British born worker they care about their share holders and lining their own pockets

Spare a thought for the normal British born worker who is trying to support his family and who cant really exist on the same wages as like the Eastern Europeans do but their outgoings are low living up to 20 in 1 house

Surely if house prices go down 20% thats a good thing and i would welcome it

[fred]

Don't you think that this country has enough Eastern Europeans working here already ?

Cheap labour is all they are and it has been proven that the influx of Eastern Europeans keeps wages low

Only when there are no Eastern Europeans around who are willing to work for peanuts will the greedy fat cats start to up the wages and attract British people who by the way are not lazy but they wont work for peanuts

Big business wants to keep the supply of cheap labour coming in and thats why they want us to remain in the European Union

Big business does not care about the normal British born worker they care about their share holders and lining their own pockets

Spare a thought for the normal British born worker who is trying to support his family and who cant really exist on the same wages as like the Eastern Europeans do but their outgoings are low living up to 20 in 1 house

Surely if house prices go down 20% thats a good thing and i would welcome it

Well said!!

[Michael Parnham]

If you read the Sunday Express front headline is says '12 million Turks want to come to the UK', now that would certainly put pressure on the NHS and schools.....:cwm23::cwm23:

Ignore all newspapers they just print rubbish, there's no way 12million Turks will ever enter this country. The one thing I would like to see is people with self inflicted health problems and Eastern Europeans take out insurance to pay for any NHS treatment!

[Ako Si Jamie]

Don't you think that this country has enough Eastern Europeans working here already ?

Cheap labour is all they are and it has been proven that the influx of Eastern Europeans keeps wages low

Only when there are no Eastern Europeans around who are willing to work for peanuts will the greedy fat cats start to up the wages and attract British people who by the way are not lazy but they wont work for peanuts

Big business wants to keep the supply of cheap labour coming in and thats why they want us to remain in the European Union

Big business does not care about the normal British born worker they care about their share holders and lining their own pockets

Spare a thought for the normal British born worker who is trying to support his family and who cant really exist on the same wages as like the Eastern Europeans do but their outgoings are low living up to 20 in 1 house

Surely if house prices go down 20% thats a good thing and i would welcome it :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

Ignore all newspapers they just print rubbish, there's no way 12million Turks will ever enter this country. The one thing I would like to see is people with self inflicted health problems and Eastern Europeans take out insurance to pay for any NHS treatment!

So if we ignore all newspapers because all they print is rubbish, tell me where you get your news from to convince you that staying is better,
I agree with you that some of the papers do print rubbish,
And whats this rubbish about Eastern Europeans taking out insurance to pay for NHS treatment , Your Europe will throw that out straight away because it against there human rights,

[Longweekend]

I find it difficult to understand some people, it's not rocket science to work out that up to 1.5 million Europeans that we apparently now have in the UK do not put pressure on our schools, doctors and hospitals. Er.. wonder why we have a housing crisis?.....:Erm::Erm: The quicker we leave the better...:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

I find it difficult to understand some people, it's not rocket science to work out that up to 1.5 million Europeans that we apparently now have in the UK do not put pressure on our schools, doctors and hospitals. Er.. wonder why we have a housing crisis?.....:Erm::Erm: The quicker we leave the better...:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Some people dont want to see, or they dont have children or they dont have work so it does not bother them

[stevewool]

Staying in Europe will be the best for us they say, we can control who comes in and we can share information about bad people from all parts of Europe and not let these people in , AND THATS ONLY IF WE STAY IN,
Well what happened when this rapist came in from Romanian after serving part of his sentence , he committed a offense here and it was then found out about his past,
He was deported straight away, Fantastic you may say but hold on,
Hes back here in Britain because his crimes was not deemed bag enough to be deported and it breaks EU law to send him back to his own country,
So where was this so called sharing information about bad people , Europe what a joke

[Michael Parnham]

Some people dont want to see, or they dont have children or they dont have work so it does not bother them

Whatever the outcome I wont lose sleep over it at least I will have done my bit and hopefully life will be just the same:cwm25:

[Tawi2]

We all have differing viewpoints,thats the good thing about being individual :smile: still going to vote OUT though :biggrin: albania wants to get in,the albanian mafia already have a foothold in the country,prostitution and people smuggling primarily :NoNo:

[stevewool]

The biggest problem whether you want to stay in Europe or vote out is everyone is lying to us,
This morning on the Andrew Marr show they had a chap from the NHS and all's well until he joins in about if we pull out we will loose all these migrant workers, we employ 10s of thousands from Europe he said and come the 24th of June they all would have to leave, what utter bullshit,
Even Andrew said that's wrong and you employ more people from Asia but that was past under the table so quick .
If we pull out it may be tuff if we stay it may be tuff too,but just like you Michael I will not loose any sleep either as yours and my life will just go on

[Michael Parnham]

The biggest problem whether you want to stay in Europe or vote out is everyone is lying to us,
This morning on the Andrew Marr show they had a chap from the NHS and all's well until he joins in about if we pull out we will loose all these migrant workers, we employ 10s of thousands from Europe he said and come the 24th of June they all would have to leave, what utter bullshit,
Even Andrew said that's wrong and you employ more people from Asia but that was past under the table so quick .
If we pull out it may be tuff if we stay it may be tuff too,but just like you Michael I will not loose any sleep either as yours and my life will just go on

NHS have people in Manila at the moment recruiting nurses:smile:

[stevewool]

NHS have people in Manila at the moment recruiting nurses:smile:

So why did this chap not say that, rather then saying they employ more people from Europe who help the hospitals the old age people homes and the care workers, again utter crap coming from someone who says we must stay in Europe

[Arthur Little]

Out for me,cameron is backing turkeys membership,turkey with its 97% landmass in asia,thats 77 million islamic brethren,and its porous borders,and turkey with its backhand isis oil deals etc,out.

Turkey ... or 95 percent of it, may be in Asia. But the remaining 5% of its landmass - including it's LARGEST city, Istanbul - is in Europe, so technically speaking ... :anerikke: ... it is part of the Parliamentary Republic of Eurasia.

[stevewool]

The more you read and listen about Europe the more you understand that we should have to get out,
What is Europe, is it a world super power that wants to compete with the rest of the world in everything , or is it a trading super power,
Like many are saying now, look at Turkey, its a country that has no care for its people , so whats going to happen to this so called human rights when they get started ,
Turkey is the key to help manage the migrant crisis and for there help Europe will help them fast track into joining Europe along with the rest of the countries that are members,
Not long ago there was war in Europe, mass killings and i bet there is still hatred between the factors, but hang about they are part of this big party too,
What other new countries are heading into this giant party who has nothing to offer at all but are willing to take everything,
We cannot support everyone and i an sure Europe cannot support everyone too,
The European monster has become to large and this is the time for parts of it to break off, and that is what Europe is so frightened of

[Michael Parnham]

The more you read and listen about Europe the more you understand that we should have to get out,
What is Europe, is it a world super power that wants to compete with the rest of the world in everything , or is it a trading super power,
Like many are saying now, look at Turkey, its a country that has no care for its people , so whats going to happen to this so called human rights when they get started ,
Turkey is the key to help manage the migrant crisis and for there help Europe will help them fast track into joining Europe along with the rest of the countries that are members,
Not long ago there was war in Europe, mass killings and i bet there is still hatred between the factors, but hang about they are part of this big party too,
What other new countries are heading into this giant party who has nothing to offer at all but are willing to take everything,
We cannot support everyone and i an sure Europe cannot support everyone too,
The European monster has become to large and this is the time for parts of it to break off, and that is what Europe is so frightened of

Steve, if you think that what you say is right just vote out, don't let it get at you, calm down and tell us what's been happening at work recently, I love it when you tell us what some of your drivers have been up to:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

Michael am calm and I will vote out too, but it's when people are telling you lies and then other people are saying I am aright jack,
You have every right to vote in but it's OK to tell us your reasons for that, all I am saying is my reason for my voting out

[Trefor]

From Boris Johnson this morning (via his Facebook feed):

Thanks to an unexpected wormhole in the space-time continuum, I have come across the following passage from a historical textbook a few decades hence. It is a chapter called “Brexit”…

It is now generally agreed among historians that Britain’s departure from the EU really began in 1991, a quarter of a century before the famous “Brexit” referendum. It was then that the UK government took the controversial decision to opt out of the third stage of European monetary union – thereby ensuring that the British people would be able to keep the pound sterling, rather than being forced to use the euro. When this historic rupture was confirmed by the Labour government, in 2003, there was widespread condemnation from those in British banking and business who were traditionally nervous of being left out of any European project, as well as from some politicians.

As time went on, the decision looked better and better. By imposing a one-size-fits-all monetary policy on very different economies, the euro became a disaster. Unprecedented levels of unemployment were experienced in some Mediterranean countries. The French were sunk in malaise. The Greek economy shrank by a quarter. And yet the entire energies of the EU political class were devoted to rescuing this project.

So when the British had their long-delayed referendum, in June 2016, they were being offered the worst of both worlds. They did not use the euro (whatever its supposed benefits), but there were at least two major ways in which – through membership of the EU – the British were exposed to the consequences of the euro catastrophe.

The first was immigration. Thanks largely to the decision to keep the pound, and the flexibility that went with an independent monetary policy, the UK was a zone of relatively high growth – a comparative El Dorado of job creation. This meant that the UK experienced substantial waves of immigration by people in search of work, partly from eastern Europe but also from the southern countries that had been devastated by the euro. The British were traditionally welcoming, but they could see the pressures of uncontrolled immigration on the NHS and other services. They were alarmed that the influx was about 330,000 a year, unsure that they wanted this surge to help push national population to a predicted 70 or 80 million.

They were disappointed when the UK government’s “renegotiation” of the terms of EU membership failed entirely to restore control of immigration to the UK authorities. They were also increasingly unsettled by the realisation – as the campaign went on – that it was not possible to vote for the status quo. The EU had plainly changed out of all recognition from the Common Market that they had voted for in 1975.

In their desperation to save the euro, the Brussels authorities had set an ambitious agenda to go further and faster with a United States of Europe. Reading the fine print, the British discovered that there was nothing they could do to veto such moves – towards a fiscal and political union, as detailed in the “Five Presidents’ Report”. Nor could they stop further centralisation from applying to Britain.

By the spring of 2016, many electors were thinking that the EU was moving in completely the wrong direction. With some polls even predicting a Vote to Leave, a highly nervous UK government resorted to a series of scare tactics. Hysterical claims were made about house prices, food prices, World War Three and other nonexistent bogeymen. The American president was prevailed upon to campaign for the UK to remain – even though, as he was repeatedly reminded, the US would not dream of compromising its independence in the manner required of EU members.

As the brow-beating and scare stories intensified, many began to suspect that the government campaign to “Remain” was driven not so much by an enthusiasm for the Brussels system, but simple fear of the political embarrassment entailed in a Vote to Leave. The Leave campaigners focused on the anti-democratic nature of the EU. They noted the not insignificant expense of membership – £350 million a week, all in – and the inability of the Remain campaign to show that the UK’s net contribution of £10 billion a year was well spent.

They demonstrated that EU legislation now inspired 60 per cent of all primary and secondary legislation at Westminster, and that the costs of this torrent of laws were running at about £600 million a week for British business – even though only 6 per cent of UK businesses actually traded with other EU countries. They convincingly showed that claims of UK “influence” in Brussels were laughable, given that only 3.6 per cent of EU commission officials actually came from the UK. They pointed out that plenty of non-EU countries had done better than Britain at exporting to the vaunted “single market”; that global free trade was legally impossible for Britain while in the EU; and in the end it was hard to resist the conclusion that the EU was an anachronism – outdated in a digital age in which people could shop across frontiers at the click of a mouse.

Given the choice between taking back control or being sucked ever deeper into a federal superstate, the British voted for independence on June 23. To no one’s very great surprise, Project Fear turned out to be a giant hoax. The markets were calm. The pound did not collapse. The British government immediately launched a highly effective and popular campaign across the Continent to explain that this was not a rejection of “Europe”, only of the supranational EU institutions; and a new relationship was rapidly forged based on free trade and with traditional British leadership on foreign policy, crime-fighting, intelligence-sharing and other intergovernmental cooperation.

The British felt suddenly and unexpectedly galvanised – with a renewed confidence in their democracy, and excitement about the new opportunities for global trade and partnership. The Brexit vote was followed by a powerful campaign for reform in Europe, and a widespread euphoria that at least one population had plucked up the courage to say that the emperor had no clothes.
After only a few years it became increasingly hard to find anyone who would confess to having voted Remain.

[Arthur Little]

:xxgrinning--00xx3: ... GREAT find, Trefor!

[stevewool]

I do hope that is how it will be trefor

[Tawi2]

Turkey ... or 95 percent of it, may be in Asia. But the remaining 5% of its landmass - including it's LARGEST city, Istanbul - is in Europe, so technically speaking ... :anerikke: ... it is part of the Parliamentary Republic of Eurasia.
No,half of istanbul lies on the european side of the Bosphorus and one on the asian isde,its 97% asian landmass with a majority muslim population,if it looks like a duck,walks like a duck,and quacks like a duck it sure aint a swan.

[Tawi2]

I grew up in an age when british passports were blue,and this small island was marked on a map as Great Britain,there wasnt a Great Italy,nor a Great Germany or even a Great Europe,but there WAS a Great Britain,theres a reason mother nature in hernwisdom gave us the channel to seperate us and give us individuality,i DONT want to be swallowed up and become a european,i dont want to walk down the street and hear every language under the sun EXCEPT english spoken by the people i pass,i dont want politicians to proudly boast how multicultural London is,a multiculturalism the politico spin doctors forced upon us and tell us its good for us while labelling us racist if we complain,i really would like my countries identity and culture to be kept intact,as the dragons in the den are fond of saying,I am OUT!

[Trefor]

It looks to me like the past few months have resulted in ... not much change in uk.population's views:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum

While I distrust polls, all roads point to a REMAIN vote.

(I'm voting LEAVE by the way).

[Terpe]

Nice find Trefor :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I believe that's the way it would be following an 'out' vote.

As Steve says, I too hope that's the way it will go.

[Tawi2]

The beginning of the end,brit born children ousted by foreign kids,shameful :http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672845/British-pupils-turned-AWAY-schools-foreign-children-EU-parents-work-UK

[Terpe]

The beginning of the end,brit born children ousted by foreign kids,shameful :http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672845/British-pupils-turned-AWAY-schools-foreign-children-EU-parents-work-UK

Well I too am not happy with the headline, but in fairness the circumstances of not being able to always secure a place at first choice of school is not a new.
It's been happening for over 30 years.

[stevewool]

What a lot of people dont realize this is a vote for many of us for the rest of our lives,
If you are not happy with where you live, you move, not happy with your work, you move, not happy with your wife , you move,
But once we make that choice to stay in Europe, you are in for life,
This is not a vote for me but i feel that i must vote for my Grandchild and there Children to have there right to be Proud of what England was and still could be ,
Some may say if we do vote to stay in , well i could move , and yes you are right i can and maybe i will sooner then later, but again my children cannot

[stevewool]

This is building up my count :biggrin:
Wow the latest is now if we come out mine and your holidays will cost more, the e card for emergency well they may not be allowed too, so we all will have to stay here or be prepared to pay more for your holiday's.
Well am sure many of you good people have had to pay more for our holidays when going abroad for our wives are not British ,so that don't worry me,
The e card well don't we pay for insurance too, again that don't worry me,
Most countries outside Europe you pay some sort of visa to visit or even leave ,so what's the problem,
Happy holiday's everyone weather your in or out

[fred]

Phone survey finds 10-point lead for remain but web poll puts leave ahead
Two Guardian/ICM EU referendum (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/eu-referendum) polls demonstrate a widening disparity between phone and internet polling, with one producing a 10-point lead for remain and the second reporting that the leave campaign is ahead by four.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/9ab09185e4f8e7a7bae16eb09ac2de49d526ce21/0_397_4096_2458/master/4096.jpg?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/9ab09185e4f8e7a7bae16eb09ac2de49d526ce21/0_397_4096_2458/master/4096.jpg?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/9ab09185e4f8e7a7bae16eb09ac2de49d526ce21/0_397_4096_2458/master/4096.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/16/phone-poll-finds-10-point-lead-for-remain-but-web-survey-puts-leave-ahead-brexit

[stevewool]

Who knows who will win, but we shall find out the day after the 23rd,
But I will keep a daily post about how England will fall into the sea :yikes:

[stevewool]

Watching the news tonight and it was said that IF we came out of Europe and you was living in Spain, you may have to come back to England ,
The reason , well IF you was on a pension IT could be frozen , or IF the pound drops against the Euro your pension would be reduce,
What about some of our members living outside Europe would your pension be frozen IF we pulled out of Europe, yes i do know that if the pound drops everything else seems to drop too,

[Tawi2]

speculative ifs and ands,perhaps,maybe,possibly,mayhaps etc etc etc,its facts we can take to the bank we want.

[stevewool]

Well here is report,
What utter crap that comes out of some people's mouth's,
Last night's channel 4 news debate, what a laugh,
This top women mp was saying if we pull out we would lose maternity pay and overtime rates too,
Are we more dependent on Europe for our wages then we think we are
Michael I am still voting out:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Michael Parnham]

Well here is report,
What utter crap that comes out of some people's mouth's,
Last night's channel 4 news debate, what a laugh,
This top women mp was saying if we pull out we would lose maternity pay and overtime rates too,
Are we more dependent on Europe for our wages then we think we are
Michael I am still voting out:xxgrinning--00xx3:

She's right:anerikke:

[stevewool]

She's right:anerikke:

In what way is she right,

[Ako Si Jamie]

Nothings changed my mind. I'm still out. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

That's right Jamie,
Nothing will change unless we stand together to change what SOME people think is wrong,.

[Terpe]

Watching the news tonight and it was said that IF we came out of Europe and you was living in Spain, you may have to come back to England ,
The reason , well IF you was on a pension IT could be frozen , or IF the pound drops against the Euro your pension would be reduce,
What about some of our members living outside Europe would your pension be frozen IF we pulled out of Europe, yes i do know that if the pound drops everything else seems to drop too,

The value of UK pensions is always variable according to exchange rates anyway. So no change on that.
Whether of not any annual cost of living increases in the state pension continues or gets frozen will depend on how the lawyers and the courts finally apply the Vienna Convention.
Just how long those processes will take is anyone's guess.

[Longweekend]

In what way is she right,

Why is she right?

[stevewool]

Why is she right?



I did not say see is right

[stevewool]

Today's story,
Vote out it will put another 2 years of Austerity on what seems like forever, but it will give back our own power and sort out Migrant control for ever too,
At last some sort of study who most governments have agreed with has spoken what most people understand,
WOW my count is flying up, i will soon be on top:biggrin:

[MalFogg]

She's right:anerikke:

Come on mate, you talk the talk but do not appear to be able to walk the walk, if you want to stay and convince us the same tell us how/why she is right?!

[MalFogg]

No one knows what will happen, not the leave nor the stay camps, one thing that appears to be certain to happen is big change in Europe, and probably the collapse of Europe. So I am all for self determination, and if we leave on our terms we will have more say over our future, good bad or mediocre.
It really is not a good place that we, or any of Europe are in at the moment, a foolish dream, fuelled by the bureaucracy of the EU.
I voted no originally and still think the same way, I do know lots of people who voted yes, but now wish they had not.
If we can leave on our terms then we will have a better control of our future than if we stay, because there will be an ever increasing push towards federalization.
And if there is a recession, what is new about that?
And please do not trot out the tripe about biggest trading partners etc etc
We had the best trading partners in the world, we all understood each other, and all the rules were defined by common law, it was called the commonwealth, and look how badly we treated them.

[Michael Parnham]

Come on mate, you talk the talk but do not appear to be able to walk the walk, if you want to stay and convince us the same tell us how/why she is right?!

If you watched it you would have understood at the time, I watched it and agreed with most of what was said at the time, don't ask me now what was said I can't remember, had a few sleeps since then:wink:

[stevewool]

She mentioned that if it was not for Europe , the people here would not be entitled to maternity pay and sick leave , even though she is in government so why the hell does she not fight for this in our government, and not having to say Europe helped to solve this,
I dont know who said if it was not for Europe all our beaches would be s--t holes, because Europe also makes us keep them clean too, :biggrin:
I did watch it and it just made me think what a stupid government we have letting another country tell us how to act no matter who was in at the time , Its time to take it all back and do it all alone ,
Again maybe just my own thoughts and again look at my count too, :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[jonnijon]

Only 330,000 came here last year, that's what we know of :yikes:

[stevewool]

Today's story, well there is a choice so watch this space I shall do it one at a time, I have to get count up.
If we leave the world economy may be in trouble,.
It amazes me how much power this small island has, well if that's the case let's vote out and let's make a whole new world, you know it makes sense,
Next top story for leaving will be later ,have a great day you all and if you are on a pension don't spend too much,uppps I have gave a hint at my next top story:biggrin:

[Michael Parnham]

She mentioned that if it was not for Europe , the people here would not be entitled to maternity pay and sick leave , even though she is in government so why the hell does she not fight for this in our government, and not having to say Europe helped to solve this,
I dont know who said if it was not for Europe all our beaches would be s--t holes, because Europe also makes us keep them clean too, :biggrin:
I did watch it and it just made me think what a stupid government we have letting another country tell us how to act no matter who was in at the time , Its time to take it all back and do it all alone ,
Again maybe just my own thoughts and again look at my count too, :xxgrinning--00xx3:

That's correct, my feelings on Maternity Pay are that it should be stopped because one shouldn't bring children in the world unless you can afford to. Many unemployed are having children in order to get benefits and the workers are paying for them, it's wrong:Erm:

[Longweekend]

Only 330,000 came here last year, that's what we know of :yikes:

No wonder we have problems with the NHS, housing and school places...:mad:

[stevewool]

That's correct, my feelings on Maternity Pay are that it should be stopped because one shouldn't bring children in the world unless you can afford to. Many unemployed are having children in order to get benefits and the workers are paying for them, it's wrong:Erm:



Michael she is the one who is thanking Europe for bring it in, so why are you saying it should be stopped,
I think you should be on our side really but be careful you may lose some of your pension, O criky I have gave my next top story away

[stevewool]

Pensioners are being warned that it could lose upto £1300 a year from your pension if we vote OUT,
My god what utter crap these people are saying .
And how do they come to this you may wonder ,
Well if we pull out inflation will go
up ,so food prices will go up so your bills go up too,thats how they work this out,
What I can't understand is why inflation is going just to hit the poor poor pensioner ,
It's a good job the pensioners are not as stupid as the government thinks,:NoNo:

[SimonH]

Total and utter scaremongery :cwm23:

I must have missed the statement where they guaranteed zero inflation if we stayed in :crazy:

[stevewool]

Forgive my spelling but I am on my phone sending out these public service messages,
As tesco says every little helps.

[stevewool]

Total and utter scaremongery :cwm23:

I must have missed the statement where they guaranteed zero inflation if we stayed in :crazy:

They only sent 1 statement out saying that , and Michael received that:biggrin:

[SimonH]

They only sent 1 statement out saying that , and Michael received that:biggrin:

:icon_lol:

[stevewool]

Hot of the press,
Scotland would vote to leave the UK if we vote out of Europe.
Fishy salmon and I am sure Jimmy cranky would want us to vote out so they can have there way,
So come on boys and dgirl, give them what they want,a poor Scotland is all I see ,but hang about here, if they are in Europe they may have more fishing rights then they have now,
Another pubic service message to help you decide whether you are in or out,:Britain:

[Tawi2]

Benedict Cumberbatch said we should stay in so its OUT from me.

[stevewool]

It amazes me when you get so called famous people telling us what to do, but there are people who need there advice,
I do wish its a vote out ,
A whole new world and it's our world too, or are you afraid

[Terpe]

I'm already in whole new world but the tentacles of the old world still reach out to me :Cuckoo:

[stevewool]

I think where ever you are from and where ever you are you always wonder how the homeland is doing.
But am sure it all looks better while sitting on a beach with a cool beer in hand

[Terpe]

I think where ever you are from and where ever you are you always wonder how the homeland is doing.

That's true :xxgrinning--00xx3:



But am sure it all looks better while sitting on a beach with a cool beer in hand

Here in Cubau I'm quite far from a beach.
Thankfully not far from a cold beer :biggrin:

Nor a pretty girl :hubbahubba:

[Arthur Little]

That's true :xxgrinning--00xx3:



Here in Cubau I'm quite far from a beach.
Thankfully not far from a cold beer :biggrin:

Nor a pretty girl :hubbahubba:

:icon_lol: ... you mean Carina, I take it! :wink:

[jonnijon]

Ok guy's take a moment to see this link. It's Enoch Powell in 1975 telling about the how we will lose all our rights as a nation. He is being interviewed by the bombastic Robin Day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4OWslOroaw

[stevewool]

Ok guy's take a moment to see this link. It's Enoch Powell in 1975 telling about the how we will lose all our rights as a nation. He is being interviewed by the bombastic Robin Day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4OWslOroaw

Well done for finding this, it amazes me sometimes when someone can see so far into the future yet many millions cant see there end of there nose,

[stevewool]

Todays threat to the silly believers, we are going to loose Gibraltar if we vote out ,
Whats next isle of man , isle of white , Canvey island and then frog island , you may laugh, but i bet some people have never heard of these places and if the vote in say we will lose them ,WELL YOU BETTER BELIEVE THEM TOO,

[stevewool]

WE HAVE WON :Jump:, WE HAVE WON:Jump: , ITS A BIG FAT OUT:Jump:, WE HAVE WON :Jump:,
Ed Miliband has joined in the vote to stay in Europe,
Now come on you lot if he was telling you to stay in and you believed him :omg:
I wonder what ever happened to that big lump of rock he carried around with him when saying he believed and wanted us to trust him , :NoNo:

[stevewool]

This thread has been looked at 182 times since Thursday morning , ok most of them are mine but it must be interesting to a few :biggrin:
Has anyone else noticed i am catching the others up pretty quick now,:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Harry T]

It looks to me we (The Outs) will lose, the stay ins are using the same tactics that they used years ago, when we went in.

The OUT Campaign are not doing a great propoganda job to be honest. I mean dont people stop to consider, that despite all these bad things that are supposedly going to happen, David Cameron was prepared to reccomend that we get OUT unless we got a Deal, they should be highlighting that fact.

[Ako Si Jamie]

It amazes me when you get so called famous people telling us what to do, but there are people who need there advice,
I do wish its a vote out ,
A whole new world and it's our world too, or are you afraid Don't listen to them. They live in a world far far away from us average Joe's.

[Ako Si Jamie]

Todays threat to the silly believers, we are going to loose Gibraltar if we vote out ,
Whats next isle of man , isle of white , Canvey island and then frog island , you may laugh, but i bet some people have never heard of these places and if the vote in say we will lose them ,WELL YOU BETTER BELIEVE THEM TOO,

Well, that's change my mind. I think we should stay in. I don't think I could cope with life anymore if we lost Barry Island. :biggrin:

[Harry T]

Todays threat to the silly believers, we are going to loose Gibraltar if we vote out ,
Whats next isle of man , isle of white , Canvey island and then frog island , you may laugh, but i bet some people have never heard of these places and if the vote in say we will lose them ,WELL YOU BETTER BELIEVE THEM TOO,

Hey Steve you forgot Anglesey, Guernsey, Jersey, and that place just off Land End.:biggrin:

[Ako Si Jamie]

and that place just off Land End.:biggrin:

Nobody cares about France :wink:

[stevewool]

It looks to me we (The Outs) will lose, the stay ins are using the same tactics that they used years ago, when we went in.

The OUT Campaign are not doing a great propoganda job to be honest. I mean dont people stop to consider, that despite all these bad things that are supposedly going to happen, David Cameron was prepared to reccomend that we get OUT unless we got a Deal, they should be highlighting that fact.

I am still hoping Harry for the out of Europe,
You never know these last few weeks it may all come right, look at France at the moment, RIOTS,
Look at Brussels they are making plans without us for the just in case,
So if there are no more BIG BIG BIGGER silly lies and we get some sort of truth, we may end up with what many want, fingers crossed :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

Nobody cares about France :wink:

Thats funny :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

Hey Steve you forgot Anglesey, Guernsey, Jersey, and that place just off Land End.:biggrin:

I forgot about them :biggrin:

[Rory]

So the vote is a straight 50-50 in or out, making 50.01 % the winning decision. Everyones vote will count unlike the percentage of MP's per voting count we have in an election.

I speak to old and young people about this subject and 95% plus say "OUT". I do not know where these polls are getting the figures from. I have no doubt that we are going to vote out. There are more employees than employers and the one big issue is immigration. With new figures out this week showing a massive uprise in people coming to the UK, this is the major reason people are going to vote OUT. If the government can not do anything about this issue and i do not think they can, then we will be leaving.

Everyone votes due to their circumstances and i will be voting IN just for financial reasons. Nothing will change over night apart from the pound will plummet short term and i have no idea when it will get back to where it is now. I will be voting IN but OUT is going to storm it and for that reason i will be shifting a few thousand quid to our PNB in Cebu before the 23rd June.

[Rory]

Watching Sky News this morning, i see that 99% of the Brits in Gibraltar want to stay in and i can see why.

Still, 30,000 people will not make a difference to the OUT vote winning by a landslide.

[fred]

I have ONE question for you lot..
Not been watching the debates etc so no idea..
If France follow through with threats to close the borderline across the channel and just allow ANYONE on the
boats, ferries and trains coming across the channel ....How does the UK deal with illegal immigrants then??

[Arthur Little]

Ed Miliband has joined in the vote to stay in Europe,


Hmm ... :yeahthat: alone ... :anerikke: ... is as good a reason as ANY for leaving! :Bolt:

[stevewool]

I have ONE question for you lot..
Not been watching the debates etc so no idea..
If France follow through with threats to close the borderline across the channel and just allow ANYONE on the
boats, ferries and trains coming across the channel ....How does the UK deal with illegal immigrants then??

Simple blow up the tunnel and for all those out of work they can sit at the ports checking everyone's passport

[stevewool]

Got me thinking while having to sit and watch Britain's got talent :cwm3::cwm3:, i bet there is more people have got this on there minds more then voting in or out of Europe, and who the hell votes for a dog to win:NoNo::NoNo::NoNo:,

[jonnijon]

I have ONE question for you lot..
Not been watching the debates etc so no idea..
If France follow through with threats to close the borderline across the channel and just allow ANYONE on the
boats, ferries and trains coming across the channel ....How does the UK deal with illegal immigrants then??

As I understand it Fred, this is an agreement between France and the UK, and it has another 20 years to run.

[London_Manila]

I have been watching the tv series "how to get a council house"

Romanian guy works for a few months in the UK and then goes back to Romania and collects his wife and 3 kids
He turns up at Hounslow Housing office and demands a council house and at first they deny him
He then tries Westminster and Chelsea housing office and they refuse him also
He then returns to Hounslow housing office with a JSA card and they offer him a House in Birmingham :NoNo:

These beggars are taking us for fools :cwm23:

Just to stem the tide of these types we should all be voting to leave

The remain voters dont seem to worry about the unlimited numbers of Eastern Europeans coming to live in the Uk

[stevewool]

We have a problem with Non EU migrants we are being told today by Tony Blair, well hes right , look at all these people coming on these boats to Europe, but some how i dont think he means these people:NoNo:

[Doc Alan]

Forum members and the public as a whole clearly have a range of views on the EU Referendum, including how the NHS - and vital research - would be affected.


There are also differences among those working in the NHS.


* Workloads in general practice and other NHS sectors HAVE increased with a rising population :-

- net migration ( including bringing illnesses, such as TB and HIV/AIDS, from countries of origin )
- more elderly people ( multiple medical problems ).


* Recruitment of GPs, and some hospital specialists, is not enough.


* Lack of UK nurses meant 1/4 had to be recruited from abroad last year.


* ~274,000 DOCTORS are registered with General Medical Council to practise medicine in UK.

- Less than 2/3 qualified in UK ; ~ 1/4 international qualifications, 11% EEA ( EU + Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein ) :-

- GP Register, over 3/4 UK qualified ; rest international ( ~16% ) or EEA ( ~6% ).

- Specialist / Consultant Register ~3/5 UK qualified ; 1/4 international ; rest EEA.


* ~41,000 DENTISTS registered with UK General Dental Council :-

~3/4 UK qualified ; international ~4.5% ; EEA ~17%.


* Over 400,000 directly employed NURSING, midwifery and health visiting staff in UK :-

~4% from EU ; more from overseas, such as the Philippines. In recent years proportions have increased, as UK training places decreased.


* UK DEPENDS on healthcare workers trained in the EEA or overseas :-

- lack of long-term planning
- foreign-trained workers take posts which can’t be filled by those trained in the UK ( unpopular specialties or areas ).


* Uncertainties :-

- would " Brexit " result in foreign-trained healthcare workers leaving, and/or less coming to the UK in the future ? No precedent for claims by those wishing to " Remain " for these consequences.


- whatever the outcome, effect on net migration ; and economy as a whole, including NHS.



On June 23 I will vote - based on personal judgement rather than hard evidence predicting the future - to LEAVE the EU :xxgrinning--00xx3:.

[jonnijon]

You need to read this guys,
http://www.englishconstitutiongroup.org/damning-letter-from-lord-kilmuir-the-lord-chancellor-to-edward-heath-2/

[Arthur Little]

You need to read this guys,
http://www.englishconstitutiongroup.org/damning-letter-from-lord-kilmuir-the-lord-chancellor-to-edward-heath-2/

:yeahthat: ... plus:

www.englishconstitutiongroup.org/the-eu-and-the-uk/

[Arthur Little]

So ... :anerikke: ... Heath's pressing ahead with signing :Britain:'s agreement to join the [then] EEC back in 1975 was, effectively, tantamount to an act of treason!

[stevewool]

Hopefully these next few weeks will be better for all, the silly comments that has gone before us will be better said with facts too,
But 330,000 people coming here rather then tens of thousands , well that's very very worrying and do you think it could even be higher then that number

[Michael Parnham]

Notice the middle classes never talk about how they will vote and I bet most of them vote IN:wink:

[fred]

Notice the middle classes never talk about how they will vote and I bet most of them vote IN:wink:

Then the middle class are dumb..
If the Brexit campaign fails then the UK just lost its last chance to begin to be great again.
Huge downward spiral will follow.
Just wait n see.

[fred]

Phone and online survey shows a 52-48 split in favour of leaving the EU as referendum campaign gathers steam.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/31/uk-voters-leaning-towards-brexit-guardian-poll-reveals

[SimonH]

Notice the middle classes never talk about how they will vote and I bet most of them vote IN:wink:

Define middle class :Erm:

[fred]

Define middle class :Erm:

Posh buggers like you Simon!!!:icon_lol:

[SimonH]

Posh buggers like you Simon!!!:icon_lol:

I'm out :biggrin:

[stevewool]

Notice the middle classes never talk about how they will vote and I bet most of them vote IN:wink:


Whose middle class Michael,

[Michael Parnham]

I'm out :biggrin:

I said MOST of them vote in, I vote for what I believe is right, that's all!

[stevewool]

Wow, have i missed it, have i been asleep so long and its now the 24th June the day after the election, and we have WON, :Jump::Jump::Jump::Jump:, .
We have won we are out of Europe yippy, , hang about its only the 31st may , whats happening ,
I have just read the news that the housing bubble is just about to burst, well i am sure someone mentioned that would happen if we pull out of Europe, silly me for listening to the silly people :biggrin:

[stevewool]

Whats happening to Greece , another £7 billion given last week in bailouts , yes i said £7 BILLION, and thats for more reforms
I wonder if they had a vote now what would they be voting for, i am still convinced that if we do vote out more will follow

[jonnijon]

Phone and online survey shows a 52-48 split in favour of leaving the EU as referendum campaign gathers steam.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/31/uk-voters-leaning-towards-brexit-guardian-poll-reveals

Like it :Hellooo::Hellooo::Hellooo::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[fred]

EU president admits officials drawing up a 'utopia' of united Europe have 'failed to notice' it's not what 'ordinary people' want.


Donald Tusk said 'obsession' with total integration left Europeans cold
Tusk said 'ordinary people' do not share the goal of a fully integrated EU
Confession came hours before cabinet minister warned of expanding EU
Chris Grayling said the EU treaties were vague and widely interpreted




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3617891/EU-president-admits-officials-drawing-utopia-united-Europe-failed-notice-s-not-ordinary-people-want.html#ixzz4AIEe2uoS
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[stevewool]

Notice the middle classes never talk about how they will vote and I bet most of them vote IN:wink:

So Michael , what you are saying is most middle class people will vote in but they will not speak about it, so who are we who would like to vote out and say so too, lower class, higher class,working class or no class at all,

[stevewool]

EU president admits officials drawing up a 'utopia' of united Europe have 'failed to notice' it's not what 'ordinary people' want.


Donald Tusk said 'obsession' with total integration left Europeans cold
Tusk said 'ordinary people' do not share the goal of a fully integrated EU
Confession came hours before cabinet minister warned of expanding EU
Chris Grayling said the EU treaties were vague and widely interpreted




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A little late in saying this i think, but what are they going to do about this,
What i find strange is the German chancellor , has she disappeared , one minute she was everywhere on the news but since this migrant crisis has happened she seems to be in the shadows

[stevewool]

Well its getting a right proper debate now i am thinking and we are getting proper news about staying and leaving, yes still some lies but its down to each of us to see though them,
There is a nice spread on MSN about economic consensus on Britex is flawed ,
Its going to be close but i do hope we are out of Europe

[Arthur Little]

What i find strange is the German chancellor, has she disappeared, one minute she was everywhere on the news but since this migrant crisis has happened she seems to be in the shadows

Alas no, Steve ... :anerikke: ... wherever she's been, she is back with a vengeance - threatening all sorts of dire consequences in the event of the British public voting to leave the EU. :laughitupsmilie:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36436726

[stevewool]

They are all worried Arthur, if we leave then others will follow,

[stevewool]

There is another good read on MSN about booking holidays in Europe after we leave and what may or may not happen,
Like i have said its all very good reading , things may go up but not as much as the stay in party would like you to believe, at last we are getting more proper views from people who have no parties to promote

[stevewool]

Alas no, Steve ... :anerikke: ... wherever she's been, she is back with a vengeance - threatening all sorts of dire consequences in the event of the British public voting to leave the EU. :laughitupsmilie:

Bloody hell Arthur , someone did mention WAR in Europe, they say everything comes in three, Germany at war with us again,:omg:

[stevewool]

Right today's question.
What happens if we stay in, would it be nothing, what about these changers that Mr Cameron won some sort of 6 point thing he came back with, so what are these,.
You see if we do vote out things can change , but if we do stay in what if anything could change, i think nothing will change by staying in, you cannot change Europe but people are saying we can if we stop in, so can anyone help with these so called changers that will happen if we stay in ,

[Steve.r]

Saw this, John major has suddenly grown some balls and is telling it like it is. For this, I applaud him and his opinions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36454732

[Michael Parnham]

Saw this, John major has suddenly grown some balls and is telling it like it is. For this, I applaud him and his opinions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36454732

I also applaud him:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Harry T]

If we stay in the EU very little will change, there are 29 Countries, and the Commisioners, if something is obviously right for the UK, and the others disagree then it wont change, If we stand alone OUT of the EU, then it CAN change.

[Arthur Little]

If we stay in the EU very little will change, there are 29 Countries, and the Commisioners, if something is obviously right for the UK, and the others disagree then it wont change, If we stand alone OUT of the EU, then it CAN change.

Absolutely ... :iagree:!

[Harry T]

Obviously most businesses gain by being in Europe, there Salary Costs are undeniably lower, its pretty obvious that they are going to benefit by staying, and having more Employees chasing the same jobs, if we leave then Employers will have to pay a more Attractive (rate for the job) Salary to attract an Employee.
Only today i was speaking with a Farmer (Which is a rarity for me) and he surprised me by saying he is in favour of Brexit, and he doesnt know anyone who prefers to stay in, His reasoning was that when we originally joined it was a different EU to what it is today, also he added we are the 5th biggest Trading nation in the World, he has lots of German Machinery, does anyone think Germany wont still want to Trade with us, me i still think everything is in the balance, Another reason speaking to a Dutchman he says Holland is watching with Interest as they have many of the same issues as us,but whatever happens nothing will convince me that we are better off in.

[stevewool]

Saw this, John major has suddenly grown some balls and is telling it like it is. For this, I applaud him and his opinions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36454732

Yes but he is telling how it is if we vote out, but what about if we stay in, i dont hear anything,

[stevewool]

I also applaud him:xxgrinning--00xx3:

I hear a snap here

[stevewool]

Obviously most businesses gain by being in Europe, there Salary Costs are undeniably lower, its pretty obvious that they are going to benefit by staying, and having more Employees chasing the same jobs, if we leave then Employers will have to pay a more Attractive (rate for the job) Salary to attract an Employee.
Only today i was speaking with a Farmer (Which is a rarity for me) and he surprised me by saying he is in favour of Brexit, and he doesnt know anyone who prefers to stay in, His reasoning was that when we originally joined it was a different EU to what it is today, also he added we are the 5th biggest Trading nation in the World, he has lots of German Machinery, does anyone think Germany wont still want to Trade with us, me i still think everything is in the balance, Another reason speaking to a Dutchman he says Holland is watching with Interest as they have many of the same issues as us,but whatever happens nothing will convince me that we are better off in.

A up i agree

[Steve.r]

Yes but he is telling how it is if we vote out, but what about if we stay in, i dont hear anything,
What I was meaning Steve is the way he was expressing his disapproval of the way we are being given all these 'out' scare stories by people like Cameron etc. Lies and deceit to try and sway the voters.

[Terpe]

Looks like the "Leave" Campaign have taken a lead of around 4%.

Expect the pound to get weaker.

I wonder what The Bank of England now has a their 'Plan A'. Is it to raise interest rates and provide a softer landing to a predicted falling pound ?
Or will they slash the real cost of borrowing in an effort to give a big lift in economic growth ?

[jonnijon]

The Brexit anthem:xxgrinning--00xx3::icon_lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRmGQ5waQrY&feature=youtu.be

[SimonH]

Did you know that JCB exports 22% of their products to Europe :Erm:

Might be interesting to find out what their Chairman has to think about the referendum :smile:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36485985

[stevewool]

Did you know that JCB exports 22% of their products to Europe :Erm:

Might be interesting to find out what their Chairman has to think about the referendum :smile:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36485985

The original factory where it all started is close to where I live ,such a nice place to walk around , there are lakes and picnic areas too,
I believe he wants out too

[stevewool]

Is it me or do others think it's got a little better and there is more information coming or way about in or out of Europe,still there could be more about what happens if we stay in , or will nothing change that's why they can't say

[Arthur Little]

Is it me or do others think it's got a little better and there is more information coming or way about in or out of Europe, still there could be more about what happens if we stay in , or will nothing change that's why they can't say

:olddude: ...NOTHING IS likely to change [for our benefit] in the event of :Britain: remaining IN the EU, Steve ... :nono-1-1: ... that's why I'll be voting OUT!

[stevewool]

How low can you go,
The war lord Blair and Major are in Ireland telling the folk its better to stay in Europe and the reason,
Well if we pull out it may cause problems with the northern Ireland peace treaty , now i am not all that up on politics , but what the hell has Europe got to do with this,
If we do stop in Europe we are a lost cause, no backbone and are like sheep ,
The government have given the people a vote whether we want to be in or out of Europe, now if we vote out and its going to cause all these problems then why did they offer us the vote into all this danger,:sexy_146: the lot of them

[stevewool]

Here i go again, well really its to get my post up but dont tell Arthur,
Not long ago Scotland had a referendum about leaving the UK, BUT That Jimmy Krankie women lost her wish,
Now we are being told if we vote out they will again try to leave the UK and then stay or join the EU.
Well i say BYE BYE ,dont try to hold us to ransom , you will leave whether we are in or out one day

[Longweekend]

I agree, if they don't want to be part of the UK, ciao...:Wave:

[stevewool]

Staying in the EU gives us maternity leave, working hours, paid overtime, workers rights, and if we leave the EU these will go too is what they are trying to tell the in party,
Well surely the unions , the government will still keep these and i am sure if they dont ,well VOTE THEM OUT,
Again if we pull out all these people shouting we must stay IN,will still have a job and be there to keep this country going or are they going to leave too

[stevewool]

The ITV live debate, i hope i am not the only one watching it,
The INS are just a bunch of load mouth women who thinks its good to call names , and yet they still cannot tell us what they are going to do to help make Britain good while in the EU,
Whats the saying if its not broke then why change it, well the EU is certainly broke and it does need changing or fixing , but they cannot tell us how,
Once you start shouting and name calling to me you have lost it,

[jonnijon]

The woman having a go at Nigel the other night was a plant. She works for the Huffington Post and is a left wing blogger.

[stevewool]

The woman having a go at Nigel the other night was a plant. She works for the Huffington Post and is a left wing blogger.

There are people who will agree and there are people who will not,but there are people who hate some folk and even if they are right they will never ever agree with what is said,
I saw this lady and with her eyes rolling and shaking her head and of course she wanted to speak over everyone else

[Arthur Little]

:cwm25: ... 'fraid I hadn't realised there was going to be a BIG DEBATE tonight on ITV :NoNo: ...until, that is, reading about it less than an hour beforehand in today's edition of METRO.

So, thus informed, I switched on the telly and settled down to watch. At first, I thought, :omg: ... poor Boris! Him being the only man on the platform among five feisty women ... each of them with their talons outstretched. Thankfully, two of them - one a Conservative and the other from Labour - were on his side of the fence, and together they held their own in putting up a good, strong argument in the face of [similar] cross~party opposition which also included Scotland's First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon ... a notoriously~tough wee cookie by any standards.

[raynaputi]

Why can't just Nicola Sturgeon live in Brussels??? She doesn't want to belong to the UK and govern by it but want to be in the EU and be govern by those 5 unknown presidents??? :crazy:

[Longweekend]

Why can't just Nicola Sturgeon live in Brussels??? She doesn't want to belong to the UK and govern by it but want to be in the EU and be govern by those 5 unknown presidents??? :crazy:

:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Harry T]

Staying in the EU gives us maternity leave, working hours, paid overtime, workers rights, and if we leave the EU these will go too

Well lets look at three of the things that you mentioned Steve, was it OUR Government that gave us Maternity Leave, Working Hours! every Company i have worked for gives an Opt out, and almost everyone invariably signs this to get the Job, and finally Paid Overtime this has always existed in my working lifetime as far as i can remember, so thats definateley scaremongering again, of course some of the Brexit campaigners probably wont remember as they are probably to young to remember. :smile:

As for Sturgeon, i cant stand the woman she just kept banging on about build more Hospitals, More Schools etc etc okay thats a point, but she has a Scottish Parliament why dont they do it. Then we have Angela Rudd i think she came across as having more interest at being in No10 than Boris, at least he avoided the many personal attacks aimed at him.

[Arthur Little]

Frankly, Sturgeon's jibe, :icon_rolleyes: in saying that she, :poke: ... "could not imagine a National Health Service under Boris" was, most definitely, way "below the belt" in my opinion! :cwm23:

[stevewool]

Jimmy krankie look alike is nothing but a bully who likes her own voice

[stevewool]

Another threat from Germany:yikes:, keep them coming, there is nothing better to get the backs up of people who will say sod you and who are you to tell me what to do,:engflag:

[jonnijon]

He who forgets the history of his country, has no future.

[stevewool]

Not long now to wait,
I am not a great believer in poles but if they are true we are ahead by some way the vote out party, but a lot can happen from now till then.
So I say to the in party keep up the good work of why we should leave, Europe don't give a sausage or a Frankfurter's about England, they are just interested about the money we send

[Terpe]

The latest polls have had a significant impact on the markets.
Not least the currency Markets.
Why?

Seems that over 50% of voters are wanting to leave

[stevewool]

The big guns are getting onto the stage now to tell us not to leave the EU,
But all these big guns have told lies before to the public, so can you blame many for not believing them,
They all tell us the warnings about leaving but none of them will say what they would do to help change the EU to suit what we are wanting , so to me this says they cannot change or are willing not to change for the people,
Cameron and his cronies should be done for asking us if we want to leave the frying pan into the fire if it is so bad out of the EU,
Look back at many general elections and remember what all the parties have promised us and did it all turn out fine , and look at many of them all working together to tell you its bad to change ,
Another problem i see is when you get some ageing pop star of some so called comedian telling us its better in, who the hell believes these people ,
Again its down to what we alone think is right , lets hope its the right thing we all vote for

[stevewool]

Well is it just me or when i hear or read what the INS are saying the more i dig my heals in and say up yours ,
Now it seems where have you been Corbyn has suddenly appeared , and yes he is saying if we vote out we shall lose the NHS,
Come on really we have been losing the NHS for years ,
Again utter bullshit from the party for the working man but it all depends on where the man is from it seems,
Can someone yet tell me what is the benefit of staying in,

[Michael Parnham]

Well is it just me or when i hear or read what the INS are saying the more i dig my heals in and say up yours ,
Now it seems where have you been Corbyn has suddenly appeared , and yes he is saying if we vote out we shall lose the NHS,
Come on really we have been losing the NHS for years ,
Again utter bullshit from the party for the working man but it all depends on where the man is from it seems,
Can someone yet tell me what is the benefit of staying in,

Does it really bother you that much if it's in or out, don't really bother me either way as long as it won't interfere with my lifestyle and I don't think it will for a moment:anerikke:

[stevewool]

Does it really bother you that much if it's in or out, don't really bother me either way as long as it won't interfere with my lifestyle and I don't think it will for a moment:anerikke:

Yes it does Michael, I have children and i have grandchild too, I am wanting a better future for them ,
I am hoping that it will be a out vote but if its a in vote then i will just have to agree with that,
But it is interesting what you are saying , as long as it does not interfere with your lifestyle well i am alright jack,
It takes all sorts to make the world go round and working together helps, but as i have said what will our government do for us if the vote is to stay in, i want this government to work for me, i voted them in,
Europe is not working together , it seems to be taking from the few to give to rest ,

[fred]

I need to spread it around again Steve.. Rep on way once I do.

[stevewool]

You have to laugh don't you, in fact this brexit had brought out the best quotes ever from so called clever people and silly people too , but what about this one,
Donald Tusk has said, brexit could mean the end of Western civilisation,
And you want to vote for people like him ,

[Arthur Little]

:laughitupsmilie: ... earlier on in this thread, I made reference (#9) to the term "Brexit" reminding me of the makers of a child's car safety seat. Perhaps in a funny sort of way, my comparison with 'Britax' isn't so very far removed from the truth ... considering my committed belief that :Britain: would be safer - and stronger - OUTSIDE the EU.

It (:icon_rolleyes: the word) is also similar to the name of the breakfast cereal, Weetabix ... which happens to be one of my favourites ... although, here, I'll resist the temptation to "make a meal" :icon_lol: of it! :wink:

[stevewool]

Arthur if we do vote out, what about Scotland wanting the vote to go alone, how would you feel about that

[Arthur Little]

Arthur, if we do vote out, what about Scotland wanting the vote to go alone, how would you feel about that?

Mmm, Steve ... :anerikke: ... wee Nicola may want - BUT, will she get ...?

Personally, I haven't ANY worries on that score! :NoNo:

[Arthur Little]

Mmm, Steve ... :anerikke: ... wee Nicola may want - BUT, will she get ...?

Personally, I haven't ANY worries on that score! :NoNo:

You surely wouldn't fancy the idea of being stopped for your passport next time you reach Hadrian's Wall :peepwall: ... would you?

[stevewool]

Question time tonight was on early so i missed the first few minutes, but the rest was well worst watching ,
Michael Gove was very good i thought, if anyone esle watch this what was your thoughts

[Arthur Little]

Question time tonight was on early so I missed the first few minutes, but the rest was well worth watching.
Michael Gove was very good I thought, if anyone else watched this what were your thoughts?

:biggrin: ... just in case ANY of our members (like myself) missed the whole programme earlier :

It is being repeated on BBC1 at 11.35 ... ok? :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

Just a question here boys, plus it gets my post up higher too:biggrin:,
Right this question about how much we put in and how much we get back , and we all must agree its a bloody lot we put in, ok SOMEONE may not agree on that,
Right what about what we get from Europe, the other day someone was saying the farmers get this, the scientist gets that, there is so much coming to us in cash from Europe to help all these people so where is it all coming from,
Is it all our own money that we have sent in, or is there other countries that are giving there money away to help us,because you dont hear from other countries moaning they are giving us hard earned cash .
I do know that many of these things will not effect my lifestyle but i am concerned for the other people it may effect , so your help will gratefully received

[stevewool]

Latest news on Britex ,
The FED in America has put interest rates on hold because of the uncertain of England leaving the EU ,
Its amazing this tiny island can change the whole world in these next few weeks and years , but we cannot get what we are wanting for ourselves from someone who dont really cares for us , so why should we care for those,

[grahamw48]

The Americans (and all other interfering countries) are of course only concerned with their own pockets.

Yes in the short term things may be a bit tight for us all in the UK, but if that's what it means to wrest back our independence... so be it, I say.

Naturally it will be the poorer folk in this country who will suffer the most... the rich perhaps having to downgrade from GL to L model car(s). :NoNo:

Maybe we can recreate a BRITISH car industry to supply them.

[fred]

After a quick look at article 50 and article 218 it looks like the EU will give the UK a pretty rough time for at least 2 years as an example to other member states and our punishment for leaving..
It really is no wonder that many economists predict some doom and gloom in the short to medium term if you look at the hoops the EU will present us with..
Hopefully,during that time other EU member countries will follow Britain's lead and the domino effect will begin to destroy the evil empire before it has its evil way with our intention to become independent,free nations once again.

“It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.”

Mark Twain

[grahamw48]

I think you're right Fred. Then again... 'backs to the wall' has tended to bring out the best in us. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

I think you're right Fred. Then again... 'backs to the wall' has tended to bring out the best in us. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Amen to that

[fred]

I think you're right Fred. Then again... 'backs to the wall' has tended to bring out the best in us. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

I think that encapsulates my main point nicely. But then again,we are old school..

[Longweekend]

I think we can take a bit of stick from the EU and come out stronger. Regarding what we put in and what we get back out, the UK and Germany are the only nations which receive less than they contribute, also we are told what to spend 'our money' on that we get back, it's not our decision. Bring it on next Thursday, by Friday hopefully we will be free and governing ourselves again....:biggrin:

[jonnijon]

I think this one takes the :piss2: The British army's new Ajax fighting vehicles are to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in SPAIN with EU grant rather than WALES. :sexy_146:

[grahamw48]

I think this one takes the :piss2: The British army's new Ajax fighting vehicles are to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in SPAIN with EU grant rather than WALES. :sexy_146:

Indeed. Now to build back all the industries that WE created in the first place, and give productive jobs and self-esteem back to our own.

Please buy British though folks... as I have done so whenever possible.

[stevewool]

watch out boys, Clarkson and May are joining forces to vote in , I wonder with all these so called famous people like these and other so called rock stars, whats going to happen if we vote out,they will still get there big fat pay deals , i see its publicity there are after, bring out a book , a record or even a show after all this hype ,

[stevewool]

Well here we go again, the IMF are warning us if we vote out we will fall of the edge of the world,
Is it just me or do others feel that when you get someone who is foreign and is telling us its wrong, then you get a English person talking to you in your own tongue saying they are wrong , well who do you believe,
I do know there is more to it then this but most people are from the Continent saying we should stay in Europe only to help Europe, well we come first this time i say , so sod of,

[stevewool]

The new European Army ,
Well did anyone know about this before the britex campaign , i bet not many ,
Well it looks like a ex army chief has decided to switch to leave because of this, and what has the government said , we shall never be part of the EU army , well i somehow believe this too, but i bet we shall be paying for it if we stay ,
Another good reason to vote out ,



By the way i am still waiting to hear from anyone want can we expect to happen if we vote stay in , what benefits and what changers could we expect to make our life much better, our will nothing effect our lives and we shall live like nothing has happened , it was all a bad dream :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

No need for it (except to fund more bureaucrats).

We are already members of NATO... an organisation carrying much more clout.

[Arthur Little]

The new European Army,
Well did anyone know about this before the britex campaign , i bet not many

Yes ... I knew I'd :ReadIt: somewhere, recently ...

... with Herr (or should I say Frau?) Merkel :icon_rolleyes: as its Commander-in-Chief, presumably!

Here is a link to one article I've discovered:

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/666516/Anti-Brussels-fury-Germany-secretly-plans-for-EU-army-Brexit

Feel free to "express" your views.

[Doc Alan]

The most important outcome of next week’s referendum - to me - is the effect on OUR health ... and health service :xxgrinning--00xx3:.

* Facts, as far as they are known, uncertainties, and opinions were outlined at the beginning of June on this thread, post 119.

* Good health care should be based on EVIDENCE resulting from controlled trials - rather than non-expert opinions by doctors not trained in a given specialty, celebrity endorsements, YouTube clips, Google searches, or " anyway, my Mum says it’s true "!

* MISINFORMATION on the EU has flown as frequently and viciously as the Scottish summer midge. Things may change in the next few days as one result of the tragic death of MP Jo Cox.

* Dr Sarah Wollaston, MP for Totnes, has recently changed her mind on Britain leaving the EU. She’s now " convinced that the benefits of our membership far outweigh the problems ". A majority of " health experts " do appear to be on the " Remain " side.

* Colleagues from our EU partners make up an essential 10% of the UK health care workforce. Dr Wollaston :- " these valued workers are far more likely to be caring for you than ahead of you in the queue".

* In the event of Brexit and its effect on the wider economy, many economists think healthcare spending would be reduced ... when the NHS is already overstretched.

* We need to spend MORE on health and social care - mostly because of an increasing older population ( not migrants, who tend to be younger ). This EITHER comes from increased proportion of GDP and strengthening economy, and / OR compulsory health insurance.

* Our NHS relies on doctors and nurses from within and beyond the EU. Those already here would not be " sent home " ... or want to leave. We WOULD need to be sure more could work here in future, whatever the outcome of the referendum. Ultimately more healthcare workers should be UK trained.

* Membership of the EU allows the UK to claim costs of treatment of EU visitors from their own countries. We also have free or cheaper healthcare in the EU through the European Health Insurance Card. 2 million UK citizens living in other EU countries would need continued healthcare in their country of residence.

* Continued cooperation in RESEARCH would be needed across the EU ; as would STANDARDS for training doctors and other healthcare workers which are established in the EU. The EU Working Time Directive protects doctors from the dangers of overwork and patients from over-tired doctors.

* There must be protections for public services including those in health, to deter NHS " asset stripping for profit " under the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership.

* Possible problems arising from Brexit can’t be solved overnight, but they are NOT insurmountable, in my opinion. On Thursday I will vote to leave the EU :smile:.

[stevewool]

What ever the outcome i dont see any change for years , but the NHS needs to change no matter what, and i see some sort of insurance policy being paid for , just like your car or house or even your dog ,
I too will be voting out, thats if you did not now that already

[stevewool]

Well boys and girls this is going to be the last few days before we are allowed to take control of our futures, its down to you and i to vote .
Now if you are happy with your life and you dont vote and you dont care about anyone else other then yourself well you live in a free world and thats your right,
Now if you have concerns for your future and you do care about others well you can change if that is what you are wanting,
I do hope we come out of this EU, who knows what may happen if we do, yes the pound may drop, inflation may go up interest rates may go up too, but i am sure all these things will happen if we stay in too,
One thing is for sure there are going to be some red faces which will still have to work together after Thursday no matter what,
Good luck to what ever party you want to follow

[grahamw48]

Cheers Steve... I will of course be voting the way I've been waiting to do for over 40 years. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Naturally will be pretty miserable if the £ gets any weaker though. :cwm3:

[stevewool]

Straight from the horses mouth,
Jeremy Corbyn on staying in Europe and remember folks he is wanting us to stay in the EU,
WE CANNOT STOP MASS MIGRATION IF WE VOTE TO STAY IN

[stevewool]

Naturally will be pretty miserable if the £ gets any weaker though. :cwm3:

IN or OUT the £ will go up and down like a yoyo

[grahamw48]

Too late for all that... just damage limitation now mate.

The planning applications will already be flooding in for the new mosques and other brain-washing venues.

Us natives aren't producing enough kids to keep up.

[stevewool]

Us natives aren't producing enough kids to keep up.

Years and years ago when i was just starting work , i remember a older chap saying that one day we will be the minority in our own country , well its 40 years since then and he was not wrong really

[grahamw48]

I believe it's now pretty close to that in London.

[Longweekend]

Graham, it must be getting pretty close to that in some Northern towns....:cwm25:

[stevewool]

And the midlands too,

[stevewool]

I dream of a new future, where we can rule ourselves sell to who we want to, buy from who ever we want, and even make and grow things to keep us happy,
These are the things that can change this coming Thursday, yes it's a dream for now.
Now if your dream is to stay as you are, do the things that you have done for years but caring for no one other then yourself and let yourself be told what to do by people you have never voted for, well either don't vote this coming Thursday or vote to stay in Europe,
But do not ever complain about people not speaking English, don't complain about getting to your doctor's, dont complain about someone getting your job, don't complain about your wages and do not complain about too many people coming to this small island.
I wonder how long it will be before free speech it taken away from people who are concerned about the future too.

[grahamw48]

Britain was one of the world's greatest trading nations for hundreds of years (and still is). :smile:

[stevewool]

It appears that they are all leaving the leave party in the referendum,
Now it seems that Sayeeda Warsi has come out saying , she cannot stay in the leave side and is moving to the stay IN side, well was she ever in the leave party, i have not seen here or seen anything she has written to say what party she was in,
I wonder was she a plant , ready to leave what ever party at the last minute, its still a dirty trick , but i am sure both sides are good at that,

[grahamw48]

Another one clearly promoted solely on merit. :NoNo:

Can't stand the woman... and I don't trust her.

[Longweekend]

Unfortunately in some polls it looks like remain are creeping in front, it seems Cameron even played on the murder of the MP to gain points....:mad:

[Arthur Little]

Another one clearly promoted solely on merit. :NoNo:

Can't stand the woman... and I don't trust her.

Bonnie woman, though! :wink:

Although ... :anerikke: ... I do wonder what she's achieved, for her to've been created a baroness at such an early age. :biggrin:

[Michael Parnham]

Time to get Keith to put your bets on, yes where is Keith? Rayna can you help?

[stevewool]

Time to get Keith to put your bets on, yes where is Keith? Rayna can you help?

No bets needed, its what's in your heart that matters, you will still get the ones that will moan no matter who is in but this is a chance to change what needs to be changed

[raynaputi]

Time to get Keith to put your bets on, yes where is Keith? Rayna can you help?

Keith voted OUT in his postal vote. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

Keith voted OUT in his postal vote. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Give that man a rep :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

Poor Nigel farage , this man has done more for this country to show us the way forward, yes many may not agree with what he may say all the time , but i am sure he says a lot that many of us would like to say but dare not because we would be called racist ,
He is the escape goat , they think they could throw everything at him thank god he can hold his own, ,

[Michael Parnham]

Keith voted OUT in his postal vote. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

What I meant was he hasn't posted anything for a while and I wondered if he was unwell:Erm:

[grahamw48]

Poor Nigel farage , this man has done more for this country to show us the way forward, yes many may not agree with what he may say all the time , but i am sure he says a lot that many of us would like to say but dare not because we would be called racist ,
He is the escape goat , they think they could throw everything at him thank god he can hold his own, ,

Well said.
The country could do with more people like him and less of the self-serving creeps who we've had to put up with running the place for the past decade or two.:mad:

[raynaputi]

What I meant was he hasn't posted anything for a while and I wondered if he was unwell:Erm:

Just very busy with work to earn money! :wink:

[jonnijon]

Unfortunately in some polls it looks like remain are creeping in front, it seems Cameron even played on the murder of the MP to gain points....:mad:
You guy's need to read this, it's an eye opener.

https://theholisticworks.com/2016/06/19/the-truth-about-the-late-jo-cox-mp-and-her-husband-brendan/

[Ako Si Jamie]

You guy's need to read this, it's an eye opener.

https://theholisticworks.com/2016/06/19/the-truth-about-the-late-jo-cox-mp-and-her-husband-brendan/

Interesting read.

[Arthur Little]

You guy's need to read this, it's an eye opener.

https://theholisticworks.com/2016/06/19/the-truth-about-the-late-jo-cox-mp-and-her-husband-brendan/

Oh well ... there you go, then ... :anerikke: ... ALL THE MORE reason for us in :Britain: to give the EU its marching orders :poke: > while we still have the chance to do so.

[fred]

Poor Nigel farage , this man has done more for this country to show us the way forward, yes many may not agree with what he may say all the time , but i am sure he says a lot that many of us would like to say but dare not because we would be called racist ,
He is the escape goat , they think they could throw everything at him thank god he can hold his own, ,

:wink:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GD5ZXuL0HyE/hqdefault.jpg

[stevewool]

:wink:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GD5ZXuL0HyE/hqdefault.jpg

I think many will be leaving the UK like billy the goat, or is that billy the goat coming to England

[stevewool]

Well it sems Jeremy Corbyn has stated that ,DONT BLAME ME , if we vote to leave the EU,the the next minute he is saying if we stay IN the EU, it has to change DRAMATICALLY,
Well have we always been told Europe will not change it is us who has to change ,again another very confusing statement from someone who says we cannot stop mass migration by staying in Europe too,
My poor head is spinning with the IN and OUT referendum, the only good thing thats come from this, is my post count so far, :biggrin:
I wonder what Dedsworth would have made of all this

[Michael Parnham]

Just very busy with work to earn money! :wink:

Thank you Rayna, as long as you are both ok.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Doc Alan]

Steve is historically correct to say " escape goat " :xxgrinning--00xx3:. Scapegoat is translation of a Hebrew word in the Bible ( book of Leviticus ). A goat was " sent out " to the desert, with the sins of the Israelites - figuratively - on its head. Tyndale’s 16th century bible uses the words " (e)scape goat ".


Now of course it’s a person who takes on the sins of others, or perhaps unfairly blamed for problems. Interesting to know who will be scapegoats after the Referendum :cwm25:.

[Michael Parnham]

You guy's need to read this, it's an eye opener.

https://theholisticworks.com/2016/06/19/the-truth-about-the-late-jo-cox-mp-and-her-husband-brendan/

Very moving and interesting read.

[Steve.r]

:wink:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GD5ZXuL0HyE/hqdefault.jpg


Steve is historically correct to say " escape goat " :xxgrinning--00xx3:. Scapegoat is translation of a Hebrew word in the Bible ( book of Leviticus ). A goat was " sent out " to the desert, with the sins of the Israelites - figuratively - on its head. Tyndale’s 16th century bible uses the words " (e)scape goat ".


Now of course it’s a person who takes on the sins of others, or perhaps unfairly blamed for problems. Interesting to know who will be scapegoats after the Referendum :cwm25:.
I am really liking the image of the (e)scapegoat lol

[stevewool]

Steve is historically correct to say " escape goat " :xxgrinning--00xx3:. Scapegoat is translation of a Hebrew word in the Bible ( book of Leviticus ). A goat was " sent out " to the desert, with the sins of the Israelites - figuratively - on its head. Tyndale’s 16th century bible uses the words " (e)scape goat ".


Now of course it’s a person who takes on the sins of others, or perhaps unfairly blamed for problems. Interesting to know who will be scapegoats after the Referendum :cwm25:.

I will take full responsibility for what ever happens, if it is that many would like me to hang up my fingers and resign ,well you can get lost , I am here to annoy a few for just a little longer :ReadIt:

[stevewool]

Have we lost this vote because of a sympathy vote and the I bury my head in the sand vote,

[grahamw48]

We'll be ok.

I mean.... look at all the nice people coming here to help us out. :NoNo:

.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/681614/Calais-migrants-refugees-Britain-UK-EU-referendum-Brexit-Euro-2016

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(http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/681614/Calais-migrants-refugees-Britain-UK-EU-referendum-Brexit-Euro-2016)CALAIS AT WAR: Port road SHUT as migrants chanting 'f*** the UK' hurl rocks at Brit cars HUNDREDS of migrants shouting "f*** the UK" have stormed the roads in and around Calais and hurled rocks at British motorists in a desperate attempt to reach the UK before Britons decide whether or not to leave the EU. By Nick Gutteridge (http://www.express.co.uk/search/Nick+Gutteridge?s=Nick+Gutteridge&b=1)


(http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/681614/Calais-migrants-refugees-Britain-UK-EU-referendum-Brexit-Euro-2016)

[stevewool]

I think we shut the tunnel :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

Sorry everyone, but here i go again ,
The leave party have all these wonderful ideas about what may happen if we come out, yes some may happen and some may not, but they have ideas ,
Now the IN party what are they telling us, BUGGER ALL, NOTHING WILL CHANGE ,
I am still waiting for someone to tell me if we stay in what changers can we expect ,
I can tell you there are going to be some big fat lies in the next few months

[stevewool]

LIES, LIES LIES, TRUTHS , TRUTHS, TRUTHS, SHOUTING , MORE SHOUTING AND EVEN MORE SHOUTING,
I am still voting OUT, Why,
Well if this was a vote for a new government the stay in party, none of them i would vote for and even the gang at the back of the hall the vote in party , well all losers

[stevewool]

I am on a roll here,
I know its a little late now but i think it would have been best if we had professional independent people telling us what is best for us , rather then politicians who many of us are not keen on.
That way we can hear from people who have no parties to answer too, but they know what they are on about,
Maybe we could ask for this when the next vote comes round :biggrin:

[grahamw48]

I've avoided all news items, programmes etc, about this 'Britex' thing. :NoNo:

I've known for 40 years what I'll be voting.

[jonnijon]

OOOOOOOO I got a star :icon_lol: Thank you guy's.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[jonnijon]

Here is another eye opener.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBUO7OhgiKk

[Arthur Little]

Here is another eye opener.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBUO7OhgiKk

Hmm :icon_rolleyes: ... pretty sure I already mentioned somewhere on the forum about Ted Heath signing the documents for membership of the [then] EEC, away back in the mid~1970s - when nearing the end of his term as Prime Minister - knowing full well such action could [possibly] be construed as an "act of treason".

That is, in the event of :Britain: losing its sovereignty in consequence.

Must check!

[fred]

I know its a little late now but i think it would have been best if we had professional independent people telling us what is best for us , rather then politicians who many of us are not keen on.
That way we can hear from people who have no parties to answer too, but they know what they are on about,
Maybe we could ask for this when the next vote comes round :biggrin:

Watch this Steve..Its all you need to know really IMO.

The great deception..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCBq0gloK-4

[stevewool]

Well everyone this is the day that may change the future for many , but then againit may just go on as what many call normal too,
Who ever wins i hope they do look after what we are wanting and again will we really know if that is what they are doing,
Its going to take months to see any sort of change and we shall see then too if what they was saying is true or false,
Its been good, its been funny and its been very very ugly too, but after all this they will all be friends and enemies still and we will be piggy in the middle


ALSO,
Thank you all for contributing to this thread, we all have our own views on things but i do hope none of us have been offended but if you have , well you should have started your own thread or you should have not been so nosy and read this thread too,
Also i want to thank those who do not believe in a better future by staying away from this thread ,
THANK YOU ALL