Great Britain in turmoil

[stevewool]

Well it looks like this great land of ours is in turmoil ,
There was a vote and it was won but was it, everyone seems to be wanting another vote,
The leader of one party has thrown his hat in,
The other leader has sacked the only one who could take over from him,
And everyone hates us,
STAY CALM AND CARRY ON AS NORMAL

[Terpe]

When you read reports from around the world it seems many countries are in turmoil.

Seems most folks never really thought it was going to happen.

[SimonH]

I've just signed the petition in favour of a rematch of the 1066 Battle of Hastings as I'm not happy with the result :smile:

[mickcant]

I've just signed the petition in favour of a rematch of the 1066 Battle of Hastings as I'm not happy with the result :smile:
:xxgrinning--00xx3: :cwm25: :biggrin:
Good one.
Mick. :olddude:

[stevewool]

Well if you read between the lines , what they are trying to tell us the next vote will be by age ,
They are saying the 18- 25 year olds will get 2 votes for every 1 vote and the 25-55 will get 1 for 1 and the over 55 year olds will be thrown into the bins,
It seems the old people are to blame for this ,WHAT UTTER CRAP,
This is getting very very stupid, a vote is a vote no matter what,

[stevewool]

When you read reports from around the world it seems many countries are in turmoil.

Seems most folks never really thought it was going to happen.

Thats the problem, we should never ever been given the vote to leave , the government should have had bigger balls from day one ,

[Ako Si Jamie]

I've just signed the petition in favour of a rematch of the 1066 Battle of Hastings as I'm not happy with the result :smile: :icon_lol:

What about the Eurovision Song Contest? Surely it should be staged again because we didn't win. Life's so unfair. :bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:

[Harry T]

Just listening to Hilary Benn talking on Tv, i absolutely agree with his point of view that Jeremy Corbyn is a nice fellow, but he is simply NOT Prime Minister material he has principles but can he win over people who did not vote Labour in the last election ?. I didnt think back when he was elected that he could, and i dont think he can now.
I personally could not vote for a Party led by Jeremy Corbyn, nothing against him but thats how i feel.

[Longweekend]

There seems to be an opportunity for the Conservatives to pick up the Labour voters who rejected them and voted to leave....

[mickcant]

:icon_lol:

What about the Eurovision Song Contest? Surely it should be staged again because we didn't win. Life's so unfair. :bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:

:biggrin::xxgrinning--00xx3::wink:
Mick. :olddude:

[Longweekend]

Watch this interesting clip from Italy....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9cLwoTkWes&sns=em

[stevewool]

Come Monday morning we shall start to see what happen, and by Friday we all should have some idea whether it was right to leave or stay, but we all should work together, no matter how difficult that may be

[Harry T]

Come Monday morning we shall start to see what happen, and by Friday we all should have some idea whether it was right to leave or stay, but we all should work together, no matter how difficult that may be

Steve i think the Country can pull together through all of this..

However can the Politicians do the same ? looking at whats happening i doubt it.. The anti Corbyn people have come out of hiding and cant wait, so it appears we may be heading for another Leadership fight within the Labour Party, and it seems Corbyn will stand in that Leadership battle, so the Labour Party have an internal Fight where the Party as a whole supports Corbyn, but the Political Party in Westminster does not.
This is a similar predicament to the rest of the House of Commons, whereby the majority of the house support remain in the EU, but the majority of the Country voted for Leaving the EU.
Then we come to the Tory Party and the fight for the Leadership, this is why May, Osborn seem to have vanished off the face of the earth, I have seen Boris has been seen playing Cricket (good on yer Boris) but some people have criticised him for doing this, at least he isnt planning in the background like the BB brigade seem to be doing, Osborn needs to step up to the plate because it seems the Financial Markets will take a Bigger hit tomorrow, due to all this uncertainty being created NOW by our own Politicians. Our Politicians now need to come together put aside there personal ambition, and stand Strong against what will happen tomorrow. Will it happen ? i dont think so as already Half of the Labour Shadow Cabinet have resigned today, they it seems have put Party before Country. Now i await with bated breath to see if the Tory Government especially Chancellor Osborn continue to hide behind the Skirts of The Bank of England, and Mark Carney its Governor.
I had faith in the UK if we pulled out of the EU, however i dont have the same Faith in OUR Politicians putting Country before ambition..

[stevewool]

Harry, there is another way out of all this mess.
Forget health insurance and bugger of to the Philippines

[Harry T]

Harry, there is another way out of all this mess.
Forget health insurance and bugger of to the Philippines

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Yeah, but due to our Political Parties, Im fully expecting the pound to fall against the Peso tomorrow, so even whats going on here will affect those in the Philippines.:censored:

[Michael Parnham]

Well it looks like this great land of ours is in turmoil ,
There was a vote and it was won but was it, everyone seems to be wanting another vote,
The leader of one party has thrown his hat in,
The other leader has sacked the only one who could take over from him,
And everyone hates us,
STAY CALM AND CARRY ON AS NORMAL

Never knew about any of this and you can't have another vote to try and change history, how stupid:Erm:

[Michael Parnham]

Thats the problem, we should never ever been given the vote to leave , the government should have had bigger balls from day one ,

I'll agree with that:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

Never knew about any of this and you can't have another vote to try and change history, how stupid:Erm:

Whos says you cant, and have you not joined for a 2nd vote

[stevewool]

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Yeah, but due to our Political Parties, Im fully expecting the pound to fall against the Peso tomorrow, so even whats going on here will affect those in the Philippines.:censored:

Somehow i cant see the peso going down to much,
My plan for our distant future is as long as it stays above 50 peso to the pound we shall be fine , but that is a long time yet

[Michael Parnham]

Whos says you cant, and have you not joined for a 2nd vote

What's done is done, it shouldn't be changed:NoNo:

[stevewool]

What's done is done, it shouldn't be changed:NoNo:

I Agree Michael too, but there are a few million who do not,
I wonder if i have this all wrong could these extra millions who want another vote, it could be a vote out, just to make sure we won:biggrin:

[Longweekend]

Er..., am I missing something here, was this referendum the best of three?...

[jonnijon]

That online petition for another vote has been proven rigged!!! People dont seem to understand that all these votes are traced, and 77,000 signatures have been removed ,more will follow.

[fred]

No need for voters to be remorseful..
It was the bloody politicians and biased press that got us into the E.U and this whole mess.
They wanted our opinion and now they have it...Let them sort it all out..They get paid enough!!

The French for example never wanted us Brits in the common market anyway until they realized how much we would benefit their peasant farmers..
The rest as they say is history.

[Terpe]

They wanted our opinion and now they have it...Let them sort it all out..They get paid enough!!


I haven't seen or heard of any of our elected MP's doing anything to unite the country or to ease the expected and predicted market fall out.
Should be they'll ALL be working together to keep calm and stability.
The only actions we hear about are self preservation bickering and doom.
That's really helpful eh. :doh

[mickcant]

I haven't seen or heard of any of our elected MP's doing anything to unite the country or to ease the expected and predicted market fall out.
Should be they'll ALL be working together to keep calm and stability.
The only actions we hear about are self preservation bickering and doom.
That's really helpful eh. :doh

I agree, our local MP Andrew Turner (a tory) agreed with the government benefit cuts but was in favour of the EU exit.
Not that many here take any notice of him, he is a shambles, but gets elected by the tory blue rinse brigade.
Mick. :cwm23::olddude:

[fred]

I haven't seen or heard of any of our elected MP's doing anything to unite the country or to ease the expected and predicted market fall out.
Should be they'll ALL be working together to keep calm and stability.
The only actions we hear about are self preservation bickering and doom.
That's really helpful eh. :doh

Have to say that my respect for Cameron went up a lot.. I think he handled his resignation speech really well... His strategy of handing over the responsibility of evoking article 50 over to the next PM was smart IMO..3/4 required months to let the dust settle a bit!!

[Michael Parnham]

Have to say that my respect for Cameron went up a lot.. I think he handled his resignation speech really well... His strategy of handing over the responsibility of evoking article 50 over to the next PM was smart IMO..3/4 required months to let the dust settle a bit!!
Thank you Fred, David Cameron was a great PM and I put him on par with Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher, great guy also rep on it's way. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Terpe]

Have to say that my respect for Cameron went up a lot.. I think he handled his resignation speech really well... His strategy of handing over the responsibility of evoking article 50 over to the next PM was smart IMO..3/4 required months to let the dust settle a bit!!

He'd previously promised to serve the country to his best ability after the vote regardless of the outcome.
He also stated he would immediately pull the trigger on article 50

As far as I understand it there's no requirement to invoke article 50 at any time unless giving official notice to do and follow the treaty protocols for formal discussions and agreements under a 2 year timeframe.

I'd imagine UK feels the need for informal agreements before invoking a time limit.
Under art 50 at the end of the 2 year period whatever is no concluded is gone.

On the other side of the coin look to Article 7 of the Lisbon treaty which could see UK being suspended as a delinquent member.

Everything could so easily get nasty in this divorce.

So who's responsible ?

The 'leavers' want informal talks first. The EU don't although many individual countries do.

It's not out of the question that Cameron is taking a gamble the 'remainers' still have a chance to legally be eventual winners if he believes that UK remains in the EU as long as article 50 is not invoked.

It's a potential stand-off with nobody willing to pull the trigger.
Nobody in the UK and nobody in the EU

[Terpe]

Just heard on BBC news that so called informal talks are now no longer available.

[Terpe]

Just heard on BBC news that so called informal talks are now no longer available.

I read somewhere that Germany exports more cars to UK than it does to any other country.
Add that to the one million plus cars made in UK under BMW (Mini & Rolls Royce) and it certainly makes sense to agree to business as usual with Germany. So why their mixed messages ?

[fred]

As far as I understand it there's no requirement to invoke article 50 at any time unless giving official notice to do and follow the treaty protocols for formal discussions and agreements under a 2 year timeframe.

I`m pretty sure that officially notifying the EU of the UK`s intentions is invoking article 50..
Cameron has made the right decision not to inform them of the UK`s intentions ,but to "steady the ship" till next PM is in place.. The UK is still very much an EU member and must not be bullied or rushed into anything that is not in Britain`s interests...

Merkel has reacted just as the leave campaign suggested she would and I think others will take her stance..
I read that the trade deficit between UK and the EU is about 24 Billion Quid...(Quite incredible)
No wonder Merkel is being so nice!!
I dont think its in their interests to piss us off to much with talks of added tariffs!!
Business is business..Sense will prevail. (I hope):wink:

[stevewool]

Business is business..Sense will prevail.

It will , everyone at the moment is hurt , once you sit down and start to talk proper together things will happen, just carry on as normal is all we small people can do, leave the bigger stuff to the rest:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[stevewool]

At last some people have come out and said stay calm and we will get through this, and it is not juts me saying this,
I had to laugh on yesterdays news when David Cameron said, I thought i was having a bad day , aimed at Jeremy Corbyn, that brought a laugh to many on a bad day

[stevewool]

See how after a few days of turmoil we are back on the way up, shares are climbing , yes the peso has gone a little but thats ok too, onwards and upwards they say till the next blimp