Sky news tonight.....

[Tawi2]

Duterte harry may have gone just a tad too far :doh he has now admitted killing 3 people himself in Davao last year,and i did hear a story perhaps apocrypal of him killing someone else from what I consider a credible source.The sky reporting team went ambulance chasing in manila,a report came in of a shooting,6 masked men went into a house,told everyone to get out except a 20 year old,when the crew filmed him coming out it was in a body bag :doh approx 6000 extra judicial killings from july to december so far,its more fun in the philippines :NoNo:

[grahamw48]

So presumably the authorities will be sending somebody along to arrest Mr.Duterte the self-confessed murderer ? :anerikke:

[Tawi2]

The story was carried on yesterdays BBC news site,and several other brit media sites,yup dirtyturte can expect his door kicked off its hinges at 6am if it was a normal situation :Erm: the PI has only just been offered as a holiday destination by some of the bigger holiday companies,a friend of mine is on a SEA sea cruise at the moment,they went to manila,they were stuck on a bus ASAP :icon_lol: then visited a few tourist places escorted,taken to MOA which is an old historical place i assume :icon_lol: and they also went to boracay where they spent 2 days?I can see it being taken off the tourist map and the touristy not so catchy Its more fun in the Philippines attracting serial killers only as what other country,modern day,has a self confessed serial killer as el presidente?In fact he actually encourages his chums to wipe out people,he said yesterday when he used to be in davao riding his harley,he was looking for confrontations with criminals :Erm: i just thought he was enjoying anride in the sun :doh

[Arthur Little]

Duterte harry may have gone just a tad too far :doh he has now admitted killing 3 people himself in Davao last year,and i did hear a story perhaps apocrypal of him killing someone else from what I consider a credible source.The sky reporting team went ambulance chasing in manila,a report came in of a shooting,6 masked men went into a house,told everyone to get out except a 20 year old,when the crew filmed him coming out it was in a body bag :doh approx 6000 extra judicial killings from july to december so far,its more fun in the philippines :NoNo:


The story was carried on yesterdays BBC news site,and several other brit media sites,yup dirtyturte can expect his door kicked off its hinges at 6am if it was a normal situation :Erm: the PI has only just been offered as a holiday destination by some of the bigger holiday companies,a friend of mine is on a SEA sea cruise at the moment,they went to manila,they were stuck on a bus ASAP :icon_lol: then visited a few tourist places escorted,taken to MOA which is an old historical place i assume :icon_lol: and they also went to boracay where they spent 2 days?I can see it being taken off the tourist map and the touristy not so catchy Its more fun in the Philippines attracting serial killers only as what other country,modern day,has a self confessed serial killer as el presidente?In fact he actually encourages his chums to wipe out people,he said yesterday when he used to be in davao riding his harley,he was looking for confrontations with criminals :Erm: i just thought he was enjoying anride in the sun :doh

Look mate, :icon_rolleyes: ... I don't know what sort of malicious fairy stories
- concocted, no doubt, by the likes of the disgraced Leila de Lima and/or millionairess, Loida Lewis in the LARGELY biased media - you've been reading ... :anerikke: ... or, indeed, listening to/watching on TV, since you *haven't provided a link to your assertions here. Perhaps you'd care to *do so!

[Tawi2]

I will answer you civilly arthur despite your condescending manner,rolling eyes,mate,and highlighted words,a mod is supposed to be neutral :icon_lol: I have just watched duterte admitting to the killings,no need for me to provide links,spoken from his own mouth with no hand up his ass so i know it wasnt a ventriloquist act.......Google is your friend :wink: and check out yesterdays Sky and BBC it was reported quite a bit,or check some of his youtube vids,he admits it,unless you think this is part of a besmirching conspiracy theory?

[Tawi2]

The thing is its newsworthy,its topical,the forum is very very quiet nowadays so i stuck it up,yet i feel condescention,google it and stick up the links arthur :smile:

[Trefor]

I agree, Duterte may have made a big mistake in admitting to cruising the streets of Davao looking for 'baddies' to shoot. So many people are looking for a way to impeach him/get rid of him. All he needed to do was keep his trap shut on this topic.

i saw the stories on the news too. Even the Daily Mail is getting in on the act. Lots of negative press about drug users being killed. One story about a woman whose family told her to stop doing it and she wouldn't as they would be able to afford to eat without the proceeds and she was terrified of getting killed. However poor they may be, she is taking a huge risk to feed her family which I understand too. No way out for some.

[grahamw48]

It is real and it is happening.

As I posted on the forum when I was there in the Phils a couple of weeks ago, a guy was shot in the face 4 times while waiting to be served in the bakery shop not more than 100 yards from our apartment. This is in an otherwise peaceful small provincial town. SUSPECTED involvement in drugs. The police station is a few yards away.

Things are getting pretty scary over there... both in reality and as perceived by the outside world.

Any hope of increasing (the already pathetically small) tourist figures is just a bad joke. :NoNo:

[andy222]

If its true I think he has lost the plot.

[SimonH]

Look mate, :icon_rolleyes: ... I don't know what sort of malicious fairy stories
- concocted, no doubt, by the likes of the disgraced Leila de Lima and/or millionairess, Loida Lewis in the LARGELY biased media - you've been reading ... :anerikke: ... or, indeed, listening to/watching on TV, as you *haven't provided a link to your assertions here. Perhaps you'd care to *do so!

There lies half the trouble with the decline of this forum :NoNo:

[raynaputi]

Yep, seen it on BBC and Sky News yesterday morning. Keith just can't believe how the majority of the Filipinos adore him like he is a god. I told him it has long been a known rumour about his killings in the past but the Pinoys will still favour him despite all this, as long as they say he isn't corrupt or is dealing with the druggies. :crazy::doh

[Arthur Little]

I will answer you civilly arthur despite your condescending manner,rolling eyes,mate,and highlighted words,a mod is supposed to be neutral :icon_lol: I have just watched duterte admitting to the killings,no need for me to provide links,spoken from his own mouth with no hand up his ass so i know it wasnt a ventriloquist act.......Google is your friend :wink: and check out yesterdays Sky and BBC it was reported quite a bit,or check some of his youtube vids,he admits it,unless you think this is part of a besmirching conspiracy theory?

Believe me, [almost] the last thing I'd have considered myself to be, is condescending ... it's simply not part of my nature! :nono-1-1: ... as for my use of the word "mate" and the :icon_rolleyes:, allow me to explain:

Firstly, I prefer to address someone I'm replying to by the person's *actual Christian name i.e., assuming, of course. I know *it! Although, I seem to recall (from away back) being told yours is 'Del' (yes, I've a good long-term memory :wink:) there was always the [slim] chance of my being mistaken. So it was easier just to use "mate" instead. :smile:

Secondly, the rolling eyes symbol was used to convey mild, personal irritation :angry: at your taking ANOTHER "pot shot" at a man - whose highly successful efforts to clean up the city he'd represented for many, many years - resulted in around 16~20 million of the Filipino people clamouring for him to become their next leader - an office which, previously, he had neither sought nor wanted.

[fred]

I think everyone that voted for him knew about the famous rumours of death squads in Davao long before voting for him..
Where we live,drug crime has gone down big time..Only people selling drugs here are Police in buy bust operations.. No ride in tandem shootings since he was elected in our area.. Corruption is being addressed..Never actively seen that happen before.

In regards possible impeachment instigated by corrupt Yellow Senators ..The reality.

Justice minister Vitaliano Aguirre waved away Duterte’s comments as “hyperbole”.
“He always exaggerates just to put his message across,” Aguirre said, adding that even if Duterte had killed, he did not necessarily break the law.
“It could be done with a justifiable cause and justified circumstances as a public officer in order to arrest but if they resisted. He must have been forced,” he said.
Any move to impeach Duterte is unlikely to succeed. Not only does he command huge domestic support for his bloody war on drugs, the firebrand nicknamed “the Punisher” also has allies in the lower and upper house of congress.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/15/philippines-senators-duterte-impeached-killing-confession

[jonnijon]

There lies half the trouble with the decline of this forum :NoNo:

Agree

[Arthur Little]

There lies half the trouble with the decline of this forum :NoNo:

:Erm: ... how do you mean, Simon?

[Tawi2]

Lots of people are up to date with pinoy news and have a finger on the pulse :biggrin:

[SimonH]

:Erm: ... how do you mean, Simon?

Arthur, your response came accross in a derogatory manner, almost to the point of calling Tawi a liar. He had already stated where he heard the news, both on the BBC and Sky, but you wanted links or it was a 'fairy story'

Personally I believe that any moderator should think twice before posting and possibly causing offence and also not edit other members posts just because they think it reads better.

As an aside, I notice you still haven't unedited my previous post as I requested :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Tawi2]

Arthur, your response came accross in a derogatory manner, almost to the point of calling Tawi a liar. He had already stated where he heard the news, both on the BBC and Sky, but you wanted links or it was a 'fairy story'

Personally I believe that any moderator should think twice before posting and possibly causing offence and also not edit other members posts just because they think it reads better.

As an aside, I notice you still haven't unedited my previous post as I requested :xxgrinning--00xx3:
Its ok,its nearly christmas,peace and goodwill and suchlike :smile: i did read it as arthur didn't believe me,but i am in phone contact with davao several times a week with lola,she always gives me the gossip,and her brother was very high up in davao police,wveryone in davao knows the family for certain reasons,his son was one of dutertes bodyguards,maybe still is,lots of relatives in law enforcement,i keep my finger on the pulse so to speak,it would have been easy enough to verify what i was saying with google rather than question in a condescending way.

[Arthur Little]

Arthur, your response came accross in a derogatory manner, almost to the point of calling Tawi a liar. He had already stated where he heard the news, both on the BBC and Sky, but you wanted links or it was a 'fairy story'

NO ONE is calling ANYONE a liar. :NoNo: But you're bound to be aware of mass media's penchant for sensationalism, embellishing headlines and being economical with 'truths' - especially (to cite a word you've used in replying to me) "derogatory" ones - about either people or events, purely in order to attract public attention and, in turn, boost sales.


Personally I believe that any moderator should think twice before posting and possibly causing offence and also not edit other members posts just because they think it reads better.

:smile: Simon ... I've been a Moderator now for almost 61/2 years and can assure you that, throughout that time, I have exercised fairness and neutrality to the utmost degree. Nobody here works harder than I do, by constantly introducing fresh topics to keep the forum afloat! Plus, you were already told the reason for the post you're referring to being altered slightly.


[As an aside, I notice you still haven't unedited my previous post as I requested :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Tbh ... :anerikke: ... I don't see the need, since anyone who's read the damned thing can see who's changed it - and why.

[SimonH]

NO ONE is calling ANYONE a liar. :NoNo: But you're bound to be aware of mass media's penchant for sensationalism, embellishing headlines and being economical with 'truths' - especially (to cite a word you've used in replying to me) "derogatory" ones - about either people or events, purely in order to attract public attention and, in turn, boost sales.



:smile: Simon ... I've been a Moderator now for almost 61/2 years and can assure you that, throughout that time, I have exercised fairness and neutrality to the utmost degree. Nobody here works harder than I do, by constantly introducing fresh topics to keep the forum afloat! Plus, you were already told the reason for the post you're referring to being altered slightly.



Tbh ... :anerikke: ... I don't see the need, since anyone who's read the damned thing can see who's changed it - and why.

Tbh I do see the need, it's not the first time one of my posts has been changed, but believe me it will be the last unless it's changed back.
I explained why I didn't want it changed but you chose to ignor my request and leave it as YOU thought was a better way of phrasing the sentence.
It's now a matter of principal, change it back or the forum loses yet another active member.

[SimonH]

Anyway, :yawn: ... I'm off to bed. Even Moderators need their sleep. :NEW5:

It would probably have been easier and quicker to change my post back, rather than tell us of your sleep requirements :NoNo:

[Arthur Little]

It would probably have been easier and quicker to change my post back, rather than tell us of your sleep requirements :NoNo:

Ach, :doh ... I deleted that latest post of mine ... the one you've just responded to. To keep the peace, I'd be grateful if you would post me a link to the offending post/thread and then I'll see what can be done.

[SimonH]

Ach, :doh ... I deleted that latest post of mine ... the one you've just responded to. To keep the peace, I'd be grateful if you would post me a link to the offending post/thread and then I'll see what can be done.

http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/60107-Active-members?p=570314#post570314

[Arthur Little]

http://filipinaroses.com/showthread.php/60107-Active-members?p=570314#post570314

Thanks, yes ... I found the post too, and - in accordance with your specific request - have since duly removed the word "distinct" from its second paragraph. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[SimonH]

Thanks, yes ... I found the post too, and - in accordance with your specific request - have since duly removed the word "distinct" from its second paragraph. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Let's put this subject to bed now, same for you Arthur :wink:

[Longweekend]

Goodnight all....:biggrin:

[Tawi2]

It would have been easier to google what i said originally,accept it wasnt a lone campaign by myself against duterte lunacy,accept sky news and BBC arent owned by leila de lima or loida lewis :doh and discuss dutertes actions,its actually back on sky at this precise moment :icon_lol: Oh arthur,turn sky on :biggrin: theres a story on quezon city jail built to hold 800 now holding 3000 they are packed in like sardines in a can,not one has been convicted but all are awaiting trial,watch out for the ratman of quezon with his pet rat ::cwm24: they just had a cholera outbreak.One guy wearing a mask said EXACTLY what i have said from the begining :wink: the biggest crims arent being touched,its small fry barrio guys,the biggest crims in the country are in the political arena and arent shot,its smoke and mirrors :biggrin:

[Tawi2]

Dont shoot the messanger :icon_lol: but that sky report on the large number of people being held in prison without trial,and pinoy judicial system having a backlog of several years is on sky news today :smile: a guy i know,a brit was released without charge earlier this year after 2 years in camp bagong diwa,the south china morning post featured him and others in a story it ran last year,your locked up and forgotten about innocent or guilty unless you grease palms,its the same with the extra judicial killings:Help1:

[Trefor]

What really needs to happen is for Duterte to soon make a statement along the lines of "right, thats enough killing of drug dealers/users, don't shoot people any more, time to move into re-hab mode". However, it looks like this won't happen.

[Tawi2]

He said he wants to kill all pinoy users (and the innocents shot accidentally),he said he will be quite happy to murder,and thats what it is,murder 3 million users in pinas,he said he is like hitler,its not hyperbole,he really believes his own legend,when i lived in Davao the city was great,safe,far above manila,but power corrupts,absolute power corrupts absolutely,theres no stopping the runaway duterte train at the moment :Help1:

[SimonH]

Maybe it's about time the media started reporting all the good he's done in his very short term as President :Erm:

I've heard nothing but good since I've been here, less corruption and bureaucracy. There again good news doesn't sell papers or make for good tv :cwm25:

[Tawi2]

Since you have been there simon,i understand that,but please remember pinas was and maybe still is in the top four countries where journalism is or was an extremely risky profession,i dont know how much of the negative aspect they would be allowed to report,remember the pope said pinas is a democracy with limited freedom of speech.

[SimonH]

I'm not talking about journalism, but the word on the street. Actual people I talk to on a daily basis, although I admit this is only a very small demographic :smile:

[Terpe]

One guy wearing a mask said EXACTLY what i have said from the begining :wink: the biggest crims arent being touched,its small fry barrio guys,the biggest crims in the country are in the political arena and arent shot,its smoke and mirrors :biggrin:


I live in both Marikina City and Cubao (Quezon City)
There's no doubt in my mind (based on my experience living in QC) that the above statement is true.
Let's be honest the ONLY way a drug user can get money to live is by selling drugs (pusher)
Almost all users are pushers and are very very small fry. Living in poverty.
Just users trying to get enough money to buy their next fix. They believe Shabu will give them extra strength to work longer hours and work harder to put food on the table and secure their next fix.
I'm just an observer, but it seems that almost all the 'big fry' drig lords are receiving imdemnity for one reason or another.

It's not right IMHO.

I'm certainly not intent on running this country down, especially when I read what is going on in the USA and the involvement of specific US agencies in the supply of arms and support of so many organisations in genocide, mass murder and cyber-hacking.

Rant over

[Longweekend]

Your right about greasing palms, when I was living in Angeles some years ago there were 2 x guys who came out at night from jail to party.....:grosyeux:

[Arthur Little]

I think everyone that voted for him knew about the famous rumours of death squads in Davao long before voting for him..
Where we live,drug crime has gone down big time..Only people selling drugs here are Police in buy bust operations.. No ride in tandem shootings since he was elected in our area.. Corruption is being addressed..Never actively seen that happen before.

In regards possible impeachment instigated by corrupt Yellow Senators ..The reality.

Justice minister Vitaliano Aguirre waved away Duterte’s comments as “hyperbole”.
“He always exaggerates just to put his message across,” Aguirre said, adding that even if Duterte had killed, he did not necessarily break the law.
“It could be done with a justifiable cause and justified circumstances as a public officer in order to arrest but if they resisted. He must have been forced,” he said.
Any move to impeach Duterte is unlikely to succeed. Not only does he command huge domestic support for his bloody war on drugs, the firebrand nicknamed “the Punisher” also has allies in the lower and upper house of congress.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/15/philippines-senators-duterte-impeached-killing-confession

Thanks for your valued support, Fred. Living in the Phils as you do ... you've summed up its current political climate much better than I ever could've done! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:doh ... 'fraid efforts to give you well~deserved rep have met with the message saying I needed to "spread it around" first.

However, I'll try again whenever the opportunity arises. :smile:

[fred]

Thanks Art....
Good,bad or indifferent.. I just say what I see.

[SimonH]

Now that the drug issue is getting under control, maybe it's time to tackle the biggest killer over here, pollution.

The amount of jeepneys and trucks belching out black exhaust fumes is unbelievable, I think they're missing a trick here by not imposing fines or just taking the offending vehicles off the road.

[Tawi2]

And he should sort out the nepotism,that cronyism rubbish,and the corruption levels must be reaching critical mass :NoNo: and sort out those manila taxi's.

[fred]

Now that the drug issue is getting under control, maybe it's time to tackle the biggest killer over here, pollution.

The amount of jeepneys and trucks belching out black exhaust fumes is unbelievable, I think they're missing a trick here by not imposing fines or just taking the offending vehicles off the road.

That goes back to corruption Simon..Or kind of..
3 years ago I went in for a smoke emissions test with the Mrs.. They stuck the probe up the pipe and left it there for about 3/4 minutes whilst the Mrs paid at the window..(I sat in the car at all times)
They took the probe out,the Mrs got in and I asked her what the result was..She said it passed so we drove off..
About a minute later I remembered that the end of the cars exhaust was hanging off and still swinging around after I backed into a high curb 2 weeks before and just held on by a piece of wire that my BIL had fixed it with temporarily..
My point is that not one bit of smoke reached that damned probe and I passed.
500.00 smoke test fee well spent.
When they say its more fun in the R.P they aint ....... joking!!

[grahamw48]

Hahaha... got to laugh though Fred. :icon_lol::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[jonnijon]

Now that the drug issue is getting under control, maybe it's time to tackle the biggest killer over here, pollution.

The amount of jeepneys and trucks belching out black exhaust fumes is unbelievable, I think they're missing a trick here by not imposing fines or just taking the offending vehicles off the road.

Agree, dont know how they get away with it. We only have a scooter to potter around the barangay, but we have to have an emission test every year when we tax the scooter. The test computer takes a date stamped photo of the engineer doing the test.

[Tawi2]

Its ok,its nearly christmas,peace and goodwill and suchlike :smile: i did read it as arthur didn't believe me,but i am in phone contact with davao several times a week with lola,she always gives me the gossip,and her brother was very high up in davao police,wveryone in davao knows the family for certain reasons,his son was one of dutertes bodyguards,maybe still is,lots of relatives in law enforcement,i keep my finger on the pulse so to speak,it would have been easy enough to verify what i was saying with google rather than question in a condescending way.
I just chatted to my sons uncle,he knows duterte very well personally,duterte and ping lacson used to visit him often when duterte was mayor,ping lacson once came to the house in his helicopter,i dont get my news from the "Largely biased media" arthur:wink: its a little more first hand than that,i have a long history with davao and built up a network of reliable contacts :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Arthur Little]

I just chatted to my sons uncle,he knows duterte very well personally,duterte and ping lacson used to visit him often when duterte was mayor,ping lacson once came to the house in his helicopter,i dont get my news from the "Largely biased media" arthur :wink: its a little more first hand than that,i have a long history with davao and built up a network of reliable contacts :xxgrinning--00xx3:

OK ... :anerikke: ... fair enough, I don't have 'Sky' and the like, seldom ever watch BBC 24 hours' news and receive the information I post on here about Duterte from my wife, who (as a Davoan) tunes into what's happening politically in the Pinas on a daily basis. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[Tawi2]

Tunes in?On largely biased media :wink:

[fred]

Tunes in?On largely biased media :wink:

The local biased liberal,lefty media spout all kinds of ..... since their sponsors lost the popular vote..
The world media pick up a lot of this crap and pass it on as fact... No idea what he said or didn't say because I wasn't there when he said it.. No idea if they obliterated the context of his speech or not??
If they reported accurately (which I doubt) then they may have grounds for impeachment..
They all know the process pretty well enough so GO FOR IT I say!!
As usual..Lots of worthless spiel and bile from the left...No action.

[Tawi2]

He doesnt have a very high regard for Kano's :icon_lol:
NewsWorldAsia
Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte says most Americans are idiots
US citizen's 'should just shut up', flamboyant leader tells an audience

Harriet Agerholm @HarrietAgerholm Friday 23 December 201612

Philippines' independent rights watchdog says it will investigate Mr Rodrigo's claims of killing people reuters
President of the Philippines Rodrigo Duterte has declared “for every five Americans, three are idiots".

The flamboyant leader made the comments after receiving international condemnation for his claims that he enjoyed driving around killing people during his term as mayor of Davao City.

“The problem with these white people,” Mr Duterte told an audience in mixed English and Tagalog on Thursday, “these American blockheads, is that for every five Americans, three out of five are idiots, and only two are in their right minds".


“You Americans should just shut up,” he added, according to Philippine TV outlet ABS-CBN.

The US has threatened to halt a major aid package to the country over concerns about extrajudicial killings in the leader’s war on drugs, which has left at least 6,000 dead.

In response, the leader threatened to tear up an agreement that allowed US troops to visit the Philippines.

On Thursday the Philippine independent rights watchdog said it will begin a probe into Mr Rodrigo's claims of personally killing people. It comes after the UN human rights chief called for an official investigation.

[grahamw48]

US citizen's 'should just shut up', flamboyant leader tells an audience



The flamboyant leader made the comments after receiving international condemnation for his claims that he enjoyed driving around killing people during his term as mayor of Davao City.

Well, that's one word for it. :NoNo:

[Tawi2]

The problem with these white people :biggrin: i am surprised he didnt conclude the 2 out of 5 americans who arent idiots are 2 fil-ams

[grahamw48]

Er yes.... and then there are the (30 million ?) African Americans. :Erm:

[Arthur Little]

Thanks for your valued support, Fred. Living in the Phils as you do ... you've summed up its current political climate much better than I ever could've done! :xxgrinning--00xx3:

:doh ... 'fraid efforts to give you well~deserved rep have met with the message saying I needed to "spread it around" first.

However, I'll try again whenever the opportunity arises. :smile:

Fred, :Hellooo: ... I've finally been able to give you the rep I'd promised!

[fred]

Fred, :Hellooo: ... I've finally been able to give you the rep I'd promised!

Thank you!! :xxgrinning--00xx3: