Mandela "removed" from list of suspected terrorists

[walesrob]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7484517.stm

Paranoid? :rolleyes:

So how exactly is a 90 year old freedom fighter and icon to millions supposed to be a terrorist?

[KeithD]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7484517.stm

Paranoid? :rolleyes:

So how exactly is a 90 year old freedom fighter and icon to millions supposed to be a terrorist?
Mugabe's 80 !!!

[aromulus]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7484517.stm

Paranoid? :rolleyes:

So how exactly is a 90 year old freedom fighter and icon to millions supposed to be a terrorist?

He ain't as innocent as a lot of well intentioned people make him out to be.....
I remember reading some stuff about the "real" Mandela when I still in Italy, donkey's years ago....
And a quick look at Wikipedia did refresh my memory a bit....
Following the Sharpeville massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpeville_massacre) in 1960, the ANC leadership concluded that the methods of non-violence such as those utilised by Gandhi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi) against the British Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire) during their colonisation of India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India) were not suitable against the Apartheid system. A military wing was formed in 1961, called Umkhonto we Sizwe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe) (MK), meaning "Spear of the Nation", with Mandela as its first leader. MK operations during the 1960s primarily involved targeting and sabotaging (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabotage) government facilities. Mandela was arrested in 1962, convicted of sabotage in 1964 and sentenced to life imprisonment on Robben Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robben_Island), along with Sisulu and other ANC leaders after the Rivonia Trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivonia_Trial).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_National_Congress

[Piamed]

He ain't as innocent as a lot of well intentioned people make him out to be.....
I remember reading some stuff about the "real" Mandela when I still in Italy, donkey's years ago....
And a quick look at Wikipedia did refresh my memory a bit....
Following the Sharpeville massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpeville_massacre) in 1960, the ANC leadership concluded that the methods of non-violence such as those utilised by Gandhi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi) against the British Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire) during their colonisation of India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India) were not suitable against the Apartheid system. A military wing was formed in 1961, called Umkhonto we Sizwe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe) (MK), meaning "Spear of the Nation", with Mandela as its first leader. MK operations during the 1960s primarily involved targeting and sabotaging (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabotage) government facilities. Mandela was arrested in 1962, convicted of sabotage in 1964 and sentenced to life imprisonment on Robben Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robben_Island), along with Sisulu and other ANC leaders after the Rivonia Trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivonia_Trial).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_National_Congress

I certainly would not say that Mr Mandela was innocent of trying, through deliberate action to weaken the worlds most persistent racist oppressors, through subversion, obstruction, disruption, and/or destruction. He most definitely did that.

The times of the US Civil Rights Movements and Gandi G's Liberation Activities saw many atrocities that appalled decent people the world over. The oppression and dehumanisation seen in SA were on par with those seen during chattel slavery.

The legacy of the man and what endears him to so many is that he endured all that we can only read about and still feel horrified by. Additionally, having been incarcerated (27 years) for trying to overcome what was inflicted upon him and his people he emerged a graceful, forgiving and unifying man that brought oppressor and oppressed together in a way that no other person could. Thus, saving lives and creating hope on both sides of the coin.

World leaders the world over recognise what he has done for the world at large. Just read Clinton's perspectives on the man, to name just one. Hamilton recently stated that if he had to chose between winning Grand Prixs and meeting Mr Mandela, he would rather the latter.

Dr King, Ghandi G and Mr Mandela are all great men but in differing ways and in differing contexts! Those that they were in conflict with though, had much in common.

[aromulus]

I certainly would not say that Mandela was innocent of trying, through deliberate action to weaken the worlds most persistent racist oppressors, through subversion, obstruction, disruption, and/or destruction. He most definitely did that.

The times of the US Civil Rights Movements and Gandi G's Liberation Activities saw many atrocities that appalled decent people the world over. The oppression and dehumanisation seen in SA were on par with those seen during chattel slavery.

The legacy of the man and what endears him to so many is that he endured all that we can only read about and still feel horrified by. Additionally, having been incarcerated (27 years) for trying to overcome what was inflicted upon him and his people he emerged a graceful, forgiving and unifying man that brought oppressor and oppressed together in a way that no other person could. Thus, saving lives and creating hope on both sides of the coin.

The timing of removing Mandela, and by default the ANC, from the US terrorist lists stinks, they could have done it years ago.
Does South africa, all of sudden, have something that the U.S. want...???
Did they find oil somewhere...???

In the next few years you will observe countless American Multinationals setting up business in S.A., something that up to now they were barred from doing.

Will Cuba be afforded the same treatment...???:Erm:

After all Vietnam, after years of undeclared open warfare, seems to be getting privileged trade status with the Yanks...

So, why not Cuba...?:Erm:

[KeithD]

Didn't we put the whites in SA in the first place? Which makes us the terrorists.

[Piamed]

The timing of removing Mandela, and by default the ANC, from the US terrorist lists stinks, they could have done it years ago.
Does South africa, all of sudden, have something that the U.S. want...???
Did they find oil somewhere...???

In the next few years you will observe countless American Multinationals setting up business in S.A., something that up to now they were barred from doing.

Will Cuba be afforded the same treatment...???:Erm:

After all Vietnam, after years of undeclared open warfare, seems to be getting privileged trade status with the Yanks...

So, why not Cuba...?:Erm:

Great points. I totally agree. Money motivations behind everything. Hmmn!:NoNo:


Didn't we put the whites in SA in the first place? Which makes us the terrorists.They had irrevocable visas! :D