skin whitening products...

[half.k]

Hi guys! Im looking for skin whitening products, been to the pilipino store in Earl's Court, London but the range is very limited..

does anyone know a good place to buy them? and where i could find skin whitening pills..

Thanks!

Ana xx

PS.: Im looking for body products as i found the best ever brightening serum in Clinique, in Selfridges only.

[KeithD]

Bathe in bleach!!!

Stop taking any iron....become anemic.....

[half.k]

oh thanks but that doesnt work well enough.. lol

[jimeve]

ask Michel Jackson. :D

[Sim11UK]

Hang out with some Goths. The Boss might know some :D

[GaryFifer]

Be urself.Why change it?

[keithAngel]

Seek employment over winter in Norway:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[GaryFifer]

Keith if she goes too white, maybe we cannot see her against the snow!

[jackmac452]

Why try to change? You look beautiful...don't falsify yourself...if your looking for a Western boyfriend...believe me, they will prefer you to look like a natural Filipino....not a Michael Jackson clone...Stay as lovely as you are...:)

[gemini63]

Hi guys! Im looking for skin whitening products, been to the pilipino store in Earl's Court, London but the range is very limited..

does anyone know a good place to buy them? and where i could find skin whitening pills..

Thanks!

Ana xx

PS.: Im looking for body products as i found the best ever brightening serum in Clinique, in Selfridges only.

i have gluthatione whitening pills and for the face i hv complete set for whitening which is effective with in 15 days from using,if done properly whats on the instruction has been said.Even i hv a slimming capsule which contain 10 pcs only on one pack and very effective to lose 5 to 10 pounds if the whole pack was consumed.its safe coz its herbal content.

[andypaul]

My Wife works for clinque and uses their whitening whatevers and more importantly uses there sun block thingys all year round and friends and family on her return didn't recongise her. Im told you need to follow the three steps (whatver they are)
But the only reason she keeps the sun off her is for health reasons. As with smoking and drinking the sun is the worse thing that most people encounter in their lifetime for their skins.

The only age reducing creams that are said to work are ones that stop the sun damaging the skin.

Im sure i got some of that wrong but basically use sun block and stay out of the sun.

[andypaul]

Why try to change? You look beautiful...don't falsify yourself...if your looking for a Western boyfriend...believe me, they will prefer you to look like a natural Filipino....not a Michael Jackson clone...Stay as lovely as you are...:)

word be yourself, people paying a forutune staying pale and others spending a fortune trying to be tanned:Erm:

[mike1]

Hi guys! Im looking for skin whitening products, been to the pilipino store in Earl's Court, London but the range is very limited..

does anyone know a good place to buy them? and where i could find skin whitening pills..

Thanks!

Ana xx

PS.: Im looking for body products as i found the best ever brightening serum in Clinique, in Selfridges only.
as a manicurist i got product from philippines and its worth if you heard methathion or gluthathion pills or injection you can contact me , i assure you how good the product cos my sis tried that . pills it takes months but injection for 10 consecutive days you will see the lighten of the skin .tried and tested .

[GaryFifer]

I find it strange why you want to be white. Asian counties are becoming obsessed with it, and it is a bad trend.White actors getting paid more in India because they have paler skin. C'mon!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/skinwhitening-adverts-ignite-race-row-in-india-863936.html

Slimming pills are complete nonsense.They are not licenced for use in this country because there is no proof they work. I would not trust that. Please read this

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=1137

As for skin whitening, every 30 days the skin renews itself.

[A_flyer]

And stay 2 days under the sun... all is gone... as well the money used!

[andypaul]

I find it strange why you want to be white.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/skinwhitening-adverts-ignite-race-row-in-india-863936.html

Slimming pills are complete nonsense.They are not licenced for use in this country. I would not trust that. Read this

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=1137

As for skin whitening, every 30 days the skin renews itself.

A good point you could be breaking the law if in posseion of certain pills and also remeber if you go though a middle eastern country if they contain certain chemicals you could have major problems.
Wasn't there a lady from the Uk who had a pill with a chemical which was banned in dubai but ok in the Uk i think codeine and had major problems but i cant remeber the outcome.

[joebloggs]

:xxgrinning--00xx3: your right andy, some of them whitening products were banned in the uk or found to be dangerous :NoNo:


http://www.newham.gov.uk/News/2008/Bannedskinlighteningsoapseized.htm :yikes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/east/series11/week7_skin_lightening.shtml

not worth the risk of damaging the skin on your face :NoNo:

[KeithD]

None of them have been tested long term, and as they adjust at the cell level, you only need one cell to reproduce with a misaligned DNA molecule and you've got cancer. But they daren't put that on the label.

Brown skin is regarded as the best in the world, otherwise why when the Sun appears in the Western world, we all strip off to get a tan? :Erm:

[half.k]

Hang out with some Goths. The Boss might know some :D

good one!! lol


Seek employment over winter in Norway:xxgrinning--00xx3:

come on.... isnt UK good enough.. the only place in the world where it rains 300 days a year!! lol


Why try to change? You look beautiful...don't falsify yourself...if your looking for a Western boyfriend...believe me, they will prefer you to look like a natural Filipino....not a Michael Jackson clone...Stay as lovely as you are...:)

thanks but no thanks (to western boyfriend) my boyfriend is chinese and im very happy with him, and regarding to skin whitening its my personal decision... (and im just half pilipina and no one believes im philipine, everyone thinks im korean or chinese)


i have gluthatione whitening pills and for the face i hv complete set for whitening which is effective with in 15 days from using,if done properly whats on the instruction has been said.Even i hv a slimming capsule which contain 10 pcs only on one pack and very effective to lose 5 to 10 pounds if the whole pack was consumed.its safe coz its herbal content.

where can i get gluthatione whitening pills??? i looked everywhere for them! and how can i make sure they are real? i heard there are many fakes around...


as a manicurist i got product from philippines and its worth if you heard methathion or gluthathion pills or injection you can contact me , i assure you how good the product cos my sis tried that . pills it takes months but injection for 10 consecutive days you will see the lighten of the skin .tried and tested .


is it real? where can i find it?

[GaryFifer]

The phrase beauty is skin deep comes to mind. These products comes with personal risk.Thats why you cannot find it,because it has been banned for use in this country. Getting it anywhere else the tablets or creams, you will not know what chemicals are contained within. Trust me I am a chemist.Did you read any of the links we gave you?

Girls thought tanning was wonderful. Now booths are being banned because of a rise of cancer. Personal choice?Its harder to be yourself than follow a trend. This must be a vanity thing if its personal preference.What would u feel if you are ill because of this. Ask your boyfriend

[nigel]

ask Michael Jackson. :D They say Michael Jackson likes The Beatles, but I've heard he prefers "Boyz" To Men.:Bolt:

[andypaul]

None of them have been tested long term, and as they adjust at the cell level, you only need one cell to reproduce with a misaligned DNA molecule and you've got cancer. But they daren't put that on the label.

Brown skin is regarded as the best in the world, otherwise why when the Sun appears in the Western world, we all strip off to get a tan? :Erm:

Culture

The theory is

The "higher class wealthier" bods in the west have time to tan and go on holidays and not stuck in a factory or office.

In the old days pale was desired in UK as it meant you are rich and did not have to work outside. Places like Phill and India the poor are normally those that HAVE to go out in the sun.

[tomoboyle2000]

Hi guys! Im looking for skin whitening products, been to the pilipino store in Earl's Court, London but the range is very limited..

does anyone know a good place to buy them? and where i could find skin whitening pills..

Thanks!

Ana xx

PS.: Im looking for body products as i found the best ever brightening serum in Clinique, in Selfridges only.

STOP LOOKING FOR WHITENING STUFF:cwm23:, Look in the mirror and except your true natural bueaty.

[KeithD]

:Erm: So they don't have a roof on the call centres?

[andypaul]

:Erm: So they don't have a roof on the call centres?

maybe its glass?

[vbkelly]

use dulux white apply once a year

[LEAHnew]

where can i get gluthatione whitening pills??? i looked everywhere for them! and how can i make sure they are real? i heard there are many fakes around...



YOu can check from ebay, here in Phil been famous about it but in order to verified product it should be BFAD approved and tested by some expert about the gluthatione content :)

[alicat]

Hi guys! Im looking for skin whitening products, been to the pilipino store in Earl's Court, London but the range is very limited..

does anyone know a good place to buy them? and where i could find skin whitening pills...

i used SKII products,for brightening and whitening
u can get it in HARRODS.:xxgrinning--00xx3:

[maria_and_matt]

i use met tathione from the philippines, it does not get you any whiter than you should be, but i found that my armpits which has gone dark after giving birth and about 10 miscariages has lightened.. and also my inner thighs and dark pigmentation on my face (aging i think hahaha) is now even with my skin tone... and also my lips are now pinkish so are my cheeks :) but i still dont look like bea alonzo hahahaha!

[KeithD]

Is it just me or do the guys thinks this is really sad? :NoNo:

[David House]

As you will have realised most of the guys here really cannot understand why Filipinos are obsessed with whitening their skins. Well maybe we understand why you do it in the Philippines because of the cultural connection to dark skins meaning outside labour and pale skins meaning money or a western heritage. But here? Girls here spend a fortune trying to look as good as you do already. Trust me most girls are really envious of your skin colour and we guys definately prefer your lovely smooth brown skins to the spotty white stuff on so many fat ugly British girls! The whitening creams also seem to produce an unatural look which the guys here don't appreciate so unless your only motive is to impress other Filipinos I can see no point at all, apart from the dangers. In any case your skin will likely fade gradually the longer you are here, I know my wive is definately a "whiter shade of pale" than when she arrived and now takes great steps to protect herself from getting sun on her skin both here and back in the Philippines. Stay as you are, don't try to turn yourselves into what we have already rejected!!!!

[KeithD]

......the spotty white stuff on so many fat ugly British girls!....

You know my ex? :cwm24: :icon_lol:

[Piamed]

I find it extremely sad that so many, be they black, Asian, mixed or whatever, seem unable to break what is often a colonial-type mentality.

Obviously, in colonial times and during the times of chattel slavery, the mas'er bedded his black wenches to create more 'valuable' slaves that had a greater monetary value and warped sense of loyalty. Often these offspring were overseers of the other slaves. Because they were more white and held a senior post than the others, i.e. closer to that of the slave owner, it became the appearance/ status that so many aspired to. Slaves often wanted a child with the mas'er so as to help themselves advance.

Believe it or not, black people spend more than double the money on beauty products per capita than anyone else. The reason: hair straitening and skin lightening products. It's ridiculous. You can see those that have been doing it very easily. Light faces and dark hands. Also a line at around neck level, not to mention dark backs of the neck.

Over the centuries those in power (political/media) have perpetuated the notion that anything other than a 'European' appearance is unattractive. Unfortunately, so many have believed it and still do.

In da Phils I was surprised to see ads for employees that are light in complexion, above 5'4", etc. I can understand why one feels that they are disadvantaged by not being light skinned. How many people on TV in da Phils actually look Filipino? Most look Spanish or South American to me. Amazingly, tricycle drivers often wear long-sleeves and gloves in 38 degrees so as not to get darker on the arms.

It is clear to any thinking person that it is terribly superficial to aspire to be a colour that one is not. I would be very surprised if anyone can present an intellectual argument otherwise. Having said that, it is clear that in countries that practice skin lightening, bullying & oppression of darker skins does occur. Most people do not lighten their skins for those reasons.

Still, it is an individual choice. I don't criticise those that follow the practice of whitening but I reserve respect for those that are satisfied with their skin colour even in the face of societal pressure that many are unable to overcome.

Being dark skinned is as much an advantage as it can be a disadvantage. I should know! I'm darker than invariably all on this forum. I had criticisms and people telling me a whole bunch of stuff I could not do because of my skin colour. I have to say that stopped when I started my martial arts :xxgrinning--00xx3:, but seriously, there are far more people that will love your skin colour than will dislike it. There are still far more that who wont even notice it at all.

I would encourage all to just be themselves and stop creating internal dissatisfaction. Have you seen the older faces of those that have been burned by prolonged use of these products?

As usual these are just my thoughts! :)

[tomoboyle2000]

Is it just me or do the guys thinks this is really sad? :NoNo:

Its not just you Boss, I can't understand why some filipinas are so obsested with this whitening rubish, who is brain washing them into beliving its so important to be white. sorry for the rant guys but this topic makes me :cwm23:

[Ann07]

i use met tathione from the philippines, it does not get you any whiter than you should be, but i found that my armpits which has gone dark after giving birth and about 10 miscariages has lightened.. and also my inner thighs and dark pigmentation on my face (aging i think hahaha) is now even with my skin tone... and also my lips are now pinkish so are my cheeks :) but i still dont look like bea alonzo hahahaha!

ur so funny u make me laugh lol!

[Ann07]

a friend of mine here offered me that whitening products. i just laugh at her and said im happy with my colour.....and i love it! lol

[traveller]

well...just to share my story about this whitening thing
im already light skinned as it is...but my bf from northern ireland who is so pale comments about wanting my skin to be lighter so im now thinking of taking glutathione...

[Piamed]

well...just to share my story about this whitening thing
im already light skinned as it is...but my bf from northern ireland who is so pale comments about wanting my skin to be lighter so im now thinking of taking glutathione...

That's a shame! :NoNo:

[Geraldine]

Its not just you Boss, I can't understand why some filipinas are so obsested with this whitening rubish, who is brain washing them into beliving its so important to be white. sorry for the rant guys but this topic makes me :cwm23:

I blame it on the media, and of course those people in the skin whitening industry who advertises big time that being white is beautiful.

Alot of caucasian ladies would love to have brown skin like ours. My mates from work comment on how nice and tanned i am all year round. They do spend loads of money in tanning salon and fake tans and still doesnt look natural/good as ours.

Its the same thing with being thin and having a size 0 dress here. People are obsessed with being so skinny and having cosmetic surgeries.

Its ok to look/feel good however there are certain boundaries.

[Ann07]

I blame it on the media, and of course those people in the skin whitening industry who advertises big time that being white is beautiful.

Alot of caucasian ladies would love to have brown skin like ours. My mates from work comment on how nice and tanned i am all year round. They do spend loads of money in tanning salon and fake tans and still doesnt look natural/good as ours.

Its the same thing with being thin and having a size 0 dress here. People are obsessed with being so skinny and having cosmetic surgeries.

Its ok to look/feel good however there are certain boundaries.

:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[tomoboyle2000]

[QUOTE=Geraldine;79722]I blame it on the media, and of course those people in the skin whitening industry who advertises big time that being white is beautiful.

Your right Geraldine with what you say, it is the media at the end of the day.

[KeithD]

The whiter you are, the higher the risk of getting skin cancer.

[GaryFifer]

Where do I get skin darkening products?I want to be in the black and white minstrel show. MOMMMMMIEEEE

[KeithD]

Where do I get skin darkening products?I want to be in the black and white minstrel show. MOMMMMMIEEEE
Walk through the Nigerian town centre making monkey noises, I'm sure you'll soon be black......with a mix of blue :D

[A_flyer]

Where do I get skin darkening products?I want to be in the black and white minstrel show. MOMMMMMIEEEE
Go to a shoe store and buy dark brown waxing!:icon_lol:

[Piamed]

Walk through the Nigerian town centre making monkey noises, I'm sure you'll soon be black......with a mix of blue :D

That's a good one! :icon_lol:

[GaryFifer]

Maybe I should sing. Oooh oohh ooh I wanna be like you ooh ohh. from the Jungle Book.
As billy connolly says. I scottish, I'm a kinda pale blue, it takes me 8 hrs in the sun to go white.

[maria_and_matt]

its not obessession with me it was more curiousity if the said product can indeed lighten my pits :)) and it did

[KeithD]

its not obessession with me it was more curiousity if the said product can indeed lighten my pits :)) and it did
Battery acid is cheaper & instant :rolleyes:

[maria_and_matt]

Battery acid is cheaper & instant :rolleyes:


ermmmm i'd say no to that :P.....

[GaryFifer]

Your pits? What about ur bits and pieces...ahem. Does one do them? What if u miss the back of the neck?

Its better you go to B&Q and get a tin of pure brilliant white. Or maybe cookie dough or...muddy puddle :) intense truffle sounds nice.

http://www.dulux.co.uk/colours/ready_mixed/creams.jsp

But in all serious pls, listen to our comments. Piamed says important points.

[andypaul]

Is it just me or do the guys thinks this is really sad? :NoNo:


The Wife gets free products when training etc.

She got some new clinque skin whiting whatever and like look this great blah blah

Then she got some lotion to make you look tanned given to her shes liek why would you do that:doh:D

[Piamed]

The Wife gets free products when training etc.

She got some new clinque skin whiting whatever and like look this great blah blah

Then she got some lotion to make you look tanned given to her shes liek why would you do that:doh:D

:icon_lol::icon_lol:

[joebloggs]

I had criticisms and people telling me a whole bunch of stuff I could not do because of my skin colour. I have to say that stopped when I started my martial arts :xxgrinning--00xx3:,

dark skinned people can do martial arts :yikes: i never knew that

one, I'll have to cross of my list now :D

the only thing i can think of, is that i don't ever remember seeing a famous dark skinned swimmer, i think its to do with body mass :Erm:

anyway your right, people want to be something there not, i've never meet a manc who wanted to be a scouser thou :icon_lol:

[andypaul]

well...just to share my story about this whitening thing
im already light skinned as it is...but my bf from northern ireland who is so pale comments about wanting my skin to be lighter so im now thinking of taking glutathione...

It takes you for what you are surely?

Tell him to get darker and save you from having to lighten.

[andypaul]

I find it extremely sad that so many, be they black, Asian, mixed or whatever, seem unable to break what is often a colonial-type mentality.

Obviously, in colonial times and during the times of chattel slavery, the mas'er bedded his black wenches to create more 'valuable' slaves that had a greater monetary value and warped sense of loyalty. Often these offspring were overseers of the other slaves. Because they were more white and held a senior post than the others, i.e. closer to that of the slave owner, it became the appearance/ status that so many aspired to. Slaves often wanted a child with the mas'er so as to help themselves advance.

Believe it or not, black people spend more than double the money on beauty products per capita than anyone else. The reason: hair straitening and skin lightening products. It's ridiculous. You can see those that have been doing it very easily. Light faces and dark hands. Also a line at around neck level, not to mention dark backs of the neck.

Over the centuries those in power (political/media) have perpetuated the notion that anything other than a 'European' appearance is unattractive. Unfortunately, so many have believed it and still do.

In da Phils I was surprised to see ads for employees that are light in complexion, above 5'4", etc. I can understand why one feels that they are disadvantaged by not being light skinned. How many people on TV in da Phils actually look Filipino? Most look Spanish or South American to me. Amazingly, tricycle drivers often wear long-sleeves and gloves in 38 degrees so as not to get darker on the arms.

It is clear to any thinking person that it is terribly superficial to aspire to be a colour that one is not. I would be very surprised if anyone can present an intellectual argument otherwise. Having said that, it is clear that in countries that practice skin lightening, bullying & oppression of darker skins does occur. Most people do not lighten their skins for those reasons.

Still, it is an individual choice. I don't criticise those that follow the practice of whitening but I reserve respect for those that are satisfied with their skin colour even in the face of societal pressure that many are unable to overcome.

Being dark skinned is as much an advantage as it can be a disadvantage. I should know! I'm darker than invariably all on this forum. I had criticisms and people telling me a whole bunch of stuff I could not do because of my skin colour. I have to say that stopped when I started my martial arts :xxgrinning--00xx3:, but seriously, there are far more people that will love your skin colour than will dislike it. There are still far more that who wont even notice it at all.

I would encourage all to just be themselves and stop creating internal dissatisfaction. Have you seen the older faces of those that have been burned by prolonged use of these products?

As usual these are just my thoughts! :)

Can i borrow them for my thoughts as well.

Great writing.

westen indian and african mates when they not winding one another up the ladies were constantly on about weaves, this cream that cream,straighten this and that. :NoNo:
Indian Mates were always talking about shade of skin.

The funny thing as far as i know our hearts and Brains are all the same colour.

[joebloggs]

Can i borrow them for my thoughts as well.

The funny thing as far as i know our hearts and Brains are all the same colour.

but what's in the brains is not :NoNo:

conditioned by thier culture and peers

[telford]

my comment is:
whatever makes me happy,I'll do it...If I wanna be white,then I'll do all I can to lighten my skin.Just exactly the same as the people who want to be tan.
As the advertisement says "kung saan ka masaya,supportahan ta ka"
It's not all about the color,it's all about the things that makes you happy and satisfied.

[maria_and_matt]

my comment is:
whatever makes me happy,I'll do it...If I wanna be white,then I'll do all I can to lighten my skin.Just exactly the same as the people who want to be tan.
As the advertisement says "kung saan ka masaya,supportahan ta ka"
It's not all about the color,it's all about the things that makes you happy and satisfied.

well said!

[gemini63]

my comment is:
whatever makes me happy,I'll do it...If I wanna be white,then I'll do all I can to lighten my skin.Just exactly the same as the people who want to be tan.
As the advertisement says "kung saan ka masaya,supportahan ta ka"
It's not all about the color,it's all about the things that makes you happy and satisfied.

I agree....

[alicat]

[QUOTE=telford;79846]my comment is:
whatever makes me happy,I'll do it...If I wanna be white,then I'll do all I can to lighten my skin.Just exactly the same as the people who want to be tan.
As the advertisement says "kung saan ka masaya,supportahan ta ka"
It's not all about the color,it's all about the things that makes you happy and satisfied.[/QUOTE

very well said sis...i agree:xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3::xxgrinning--00xx3:

[KeithD]

anyway your right, people want to be something there not, i've never meet a manc who wanted to be a scouser thou :icon_lol:
Neville!!!

[KeithD]

Having had time to read the medical journals, the reason Glutathione is banned in most of Europe is that is has been proven to be associated with cancer.

I'd say it is definitely worth killing yourself to have whiter skin eh? :doh

Glutathione also provides power to cancer cells, so it will dramatically increase the speed at which it grows, and greatly reduce the effects of any treatment. Cancer Research is working on drugs to BLOCK glutathione during treatment.

[Piamed]

dark skinned people can do martial arts :yikes: i never knew that

one, I'll have to cross of my list now :D

the only thing i can think of, is that i don't ever remember seeing a famous dark skinned swimmer, i think its to do with body mass :Erm:

anyway your right, people want to be something there not, i've never meet a manc who wanted to be a scouser thou :icon_lol:Hahaha! I think it's hard to find a famous skier also. Re. the swimming I have heard the same theory. I cannot swim and don't float so well. Mostly, just below the surface which is a slight disadvantage as you can imagine. :)


Can i borrow them for my thoughts as well.

Great writing.

westen indian and african mates when they not winding one another up the ladies were constantly on about weaves, this cream that cream,straighten this and that. :NoNo:
Indian Mates were always talking about shade of skin.

The funny thing as far as i know our hearts and Brains are all the same colour.Thanks andypaul. Very true about the weave and shades of skin. Many black and Indian comedians focus on those items.

I cut my head last week getting of a Bachelor Express bus. If you could see me now you would see that the part that was cut has been replaced with white skin. In time it will pigment to brown but it does show that colour is such a superficial thing.


Having had time to read the medical journals, the reason Glutathione is banned in most of Europe is that is has been proven to be associated with cancer.

I'd say it is definitely worth killing yourself to have whiter skin eh? :doh

Glutathione also provides power to cancer cells, so it will dramatically increase the speed at which it grows, and greatly reduce the effects of any treatment. Cancer Research is working on drugs to BLOCK glutathione during treatment.It's clearly worth the risk to those that use these products. Makes them happy!

[half.k]

my comment is:
whatever makes me happy,I'll do it...If I wanna be white,then I'll do all I can to lighten my skin.Just exactly the same as the people who want to be tan.
As the advertisement says "kung saan ka masaya,supportahan ta ka"
It's not all about the color,it's all about the things that makes you happy and satisfied.

great talking!! i mean, we are women, we want to feel confident and well in our own bodies, some like to loose weight, some like to get a fake tan, other a manicure, other cosmetic surgery... we want to lighten our skin a bit...
if men love us then they will want us to feel good and confident... i think thats the most important...
its just nature, women are more emotional, body-conscious then men...

[Piamed]

great talking!! i mean, we are women, we want to feel confident and well in our own bodies, some like to loose weight, some like to get a fake tan, other a manicure, other cosmetic surgery... we want to lighten our skin a bit...
if men love us then they will want us to feel good and confident... i think thats the most important...
its just nature, women are more emotional, body-conscious then men...
Being women has no connection with not feeling confident and well in your body. Indeed, skin lightening has been proven unequivocally to cause illness in the body. Most people lose weight as it is medically unhealthy for them to be overweight. Being darker of skin is not an unhealthy state. 'Fake tans', as opposed to naturally developed suntans, look ridiculous.

Manicures are undertaken for neatness and hygiene reasons, skin whitening is not. What would we look like if we could all scale buildings using just our toe and fingernails! :yikes:

Non-essential cosmetic surgery is largely undertaken for vanity and insecurity reasons. There is also a great deal of medical and governmental activity geared towards counseling those that would have it done for those reasons as they really need help.

If men love you as you put it, surely they would first try to encourage you that you don't need skin lightening for them to love you and for you to be 'feel good & confident' and that you are harming yourself for superficial reasons. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

Being emotional has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. Clearly, many women on this forum don't see that they need skin whitening. Many others think its a shame that some do have that need.

Similarly, there is absolutely no qualified data that supports the notion that women are more body conscious than men. Extant literature posits that men are just as conscious about their bodies/appearance but they deal with it in largely differing ways to their female counterparts.

That you want to do skin whitening is fine; it's totally your choice. No one can take that away from you. I would also defend your right to do what you want to your body. However, your attempts at it's justification on social science constructs are, in my view, fundamentally flawed.

[jackmac452]

My Nisa talked about whitening her skin, I told her I could not help her with that, but then did the next best thing....Put something whiter than her, inside of her....(whoops. hope she does not read this) hahahaha

[Piamed]

My Nisa talked about whitening her skin, I told her I could not help her with that, but then did the next best thing....Put something whiter than her, inside of her....(whoops. hope she does not read this) hahahaha

:omg::omg:

[KeithD]

My Nisa talked about whitening her skin, I told her I could not help her with that, but then did the next best thing....Put something whiter than her, inside of her....(whoops. hope she does not read this) hahahaha
A boil full of puss on her belly? :Erm:

[Piamed]

A boil full of puss on her belly? :Erm:

:vomit-smiley-011:

[jackmac452]

Ohh Win2Win..do I detect the absence of love in your life? has it all gone pear shaped for you? Don't worry...there is plenty of love left in the world...maybe some will float your way soon....I cannot help it...when we have found the lady of our dreams..we go all gooey....Remember? (or is dementia begining to catch you out?) hahaha..have a good day my friend..

[GaryFifer]

Is he talking about one of those walnut whips. I hear they are creamy white on the inside

[KeithD]

Ohh Win2Win..do I detect the absence of love in your life? has it all gone pear shaped for you? Don't worry...there is plenty of love left in the world...maybe some will float your way soon......
:Erm:

[telford]

Ohh Win2Win..do I detect the absence of love in your life? has it all gone pear shaped for you? Don't worry...there is plenty of love left in the world...maybe some will float your way soon....I cannot help it...when we have found the lady of our dreams..we go all gooey....Remember? (or is dementia begining to catch you out?) hahaha..have a good day my friend..

:omg::omg::omg::omg::omg::laugher::laugher::laugher::laugher::laugher:

[GaryFifer]

Something will float their way into his toilet :) Don't worry though. If u get poo whitening cream. then you can avoid the embarassment of brown poo! That way u will be very very happy! Flush those brown worries away.

[KeithD]

The Irish have a lot of turds.........well they do in racing anyway, usually mentioned after the 2nd:Erm:

[benb]

great talking!! i mean, we are women, we want to feel confident and well in our own bodies, some like to loose weight, some like to get a fake tan, other a manicure, other cosmetic surgery... we want to lighten our skin a bit...
if men love us then they will want us to feel good and confident... i think thats the most important...
its just nature, women are more emotional, body-conscious then men...

[your boyfriend mode] Honey, So you don't feel confident and don't feel good because you are not light enough? Ok,so lightening your skin will make you confident and feel good? Good Point! Teach our kids that too in the future - they need to be lighter to be confident and feel great. :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[GaryFifer]

Does my ass look too black in this dress?

[keithAngel]

Agh i taken a wrong turning and dropped into the twilight zone:omg:

[Piamed]

[your boyfriend mode] Honey, So you don't feel confident and don't feel good because you are not light enough? Ok,so lightening your skin will make you confident and feel good? Good Point! Teach our kids that too in the future - they need to be lighter to be confident and feel great. :xxgrinning--00xx3:


Does my ass look too black in this dress?


Agh i taken a wrong turning and dropped into the twilight zone:omg:

:icon_lol::icon_lol:

[LEAHnew]

:Erm::Erm:I thought this thread exclusive for women only :rolleyes::D:

To half.K do whatever makes you happy:xxgrinning--00xx3:... just be careful upon choosing product otherwise seek advice from specialist..

cheers:)

[telford]

why is that it's a big deal asking where to buy whitening creams? if youre not using it,then just shut up! if you dont wanna use it then just keep quite...in the first place,surely half.K didnt need your opinion if whitening cream is good to use or not.she's just asking where to get whitening product.just as simple as that.
lets not act like we knows everything.her question is not harmful.and surely she didnt need any criticisms... to all the people who dont need to product to add their confidence,then good for you. but for those people that wanna look more good,then go for it.do whatever makes you happy.anyway,it's your life.dont listen to what people think,as long as you didnt disturb them and you didnt cost trouble to anybody.

[GaryFifer]

Its a big deal to me.I know I don't want my step daughter putting that crap on her face.Shes beautiful enough.Any guy don't like her skin colour. They get their ass kicked. I just know whats in it.and it ain't much different from Hydrogen peroxide.Boss we have to shut up now! Give that woman some chocolate for that attitude.

[telford]

Its a big deal to me.I know I don't want my step daughter putting that crap on her face.Shes beautiful enough.Any guy don't like her skin colour. They get their ass kicked. I just know whats in it.and it ain't much different from Hydrogen peroxide.Boss we have to shut up now! Give that woman some chocolate for that attitude.

you're funny! what a suggestion huh... well, i know boss Keith is not like you... :) have a nice day gary...

[KeithD]

you're funny! what a suggestion huh... well, i know boss Keith is not like you... :) have a nice day gary...

Your previous comments were pathetic. This is a PUBLIC forum, people are free to offer comment & advice, asked for or not. Especially when it is to do with health, both physical & mental as most on here don't want to see others doing something that may endanger life, which some of the chemicals mentiod do. PROVEN BY SCIENCE.

So you SHUT UP :cwm23: unless you have something intelligent to say. :action-smiley-081:

[telford]

Your previous comments were pathetic. This is a PUBLIC forum, people are free to offer comment & advice, asked for or not. Especially when it is to do with health, both physical & mental as most on here don't want to see others doing something that may endanger life, which some of the chemicals mentiod do. PROVEN BY SCIENCE.

So you SHUT UP :cwm23: unless you have something intelligent to say. :action-smiley-081:

i agree with u boss, but some of their post are below the belt already which is not good.

[KeithD]

:Erm: :doh :HeadButter::Hammer:

[gemini63]

why is that it's a big deal asking where to buy whitening creams? if youre not using it,then just shut up! if you dont wanna use it then just keep quite...in the first place,surely half.K didnt need your opinion if whitening cream is good to use or not.she's just asking where to get whitening product.just as simple as that.
lets not act like we knows everything.her question is not harmful.and surely she didnt need any criticisms... to all the people who dont need to product to add their confidence,then good for you. but for those people that wanna look more good,then go for it.do whatever makes you happy.anyway,it's your life.dont listen to what people think,as long as you didnt disturb them and you didnt cost trouble to anybody.

its so true....

[GaryFifer]

thats arrogant and selfish. Don't listen to what people think?If you don't listen to what people think?why are you listening to an advert to make you beautiful then .hmmm?You are influenced and brainwashed by that.I do not wish her to be harmed by a product and end up with cancer.As I know from experience what that is.

[keithAngel]

:xxparty-smiley-004:

[half.k]

GUYS! GUYS!!

im sorry for asking about the whitening products!! lol

anyway, the brightening serum i bought from Clinique before posting my first thread has worked so well (way too well) and im finding myself already too white just after a few days... (less that a week!!) and my skin was getting a bit dry, i realized you guys might be right so i decided to stop all this whitening phase of mine... its was 45 pounds gone to waste but it could've been my health!

Thanks for all support! and to all those who are still trying to whiten their complexions: I do understand you, but please be careful!! and please! no pills or injections! Im glad i didnt go into that! to whiten you skin your body must stop to produce melanin, and that means also stopping to produce vitamin D!! Just use sunblock SPF 50 and in a month you will be whiter, believe me!!

Thank you everyone!
**Specially Win2Win and gary2jessica!

[David House]

I am glad you agree. Hope the others do as well. I can confirm that by using a high factor sun screen your skin will fade a little. My wife is definately a lighter shade of brown than when she first arrived and now burns easily back in the Philippines so takes extra care there. It made no difference to me what colour she was by the way, she was always just who she is, the only reason I am telling you is because some of you seem to care about it!

[KeithD]

I cover myself in cow crap......it darkens the skin, but the best bit is it attracts loads of flies, so saves buying the missus meat :Yippeee:

[andypaul]

GUYS! GUYS!!

im sorry for asking about the whitening products!! lol

anyway, the brightening serum i bought from Clinique before posting my first thread has worked so well (way too well) and im finding myself already too white just after a few days... (less that a week!!) and my skin was getting a bit dry, i realized you guys might be right so i decided to stop all this whitening phase of mine... its was 45 pounds gone to waste but it could've been my health!

Thanks for all support! and to all those who are still trying to whiten their complexions: I do understand you, but please be careful!! and please! no pills or injections! Im glad i didnt go into that! to whiten you skin your body must stop to produce melanin, and that means also stopping to produce vitamin D!! Just use sunblock SPF 50 and in a month you will be whiter, believe me!!

Thank you everyone!
**Specially Win2Win and gary2jessica!

Crazy post

My Wife was always the darkest (she and her family tell me) while still in phill she bpought this lotion from a local clinic which made her paler it was a kind of sun block and i guess mild bleach:omg: . While waiting for her visa and all the stress of moving country she developed a mild rash which got worse and worse. She brought this hugggeee tub of lotion with her to UK.

When it began to run out she started with my help (i researched on web) we looked for sunblock.

Once she stopped using the lotion lo and behold the rash went.

She now only uses strong sun block and exfoliate her skin ( i think thats the right term?)
Her skin is now commented on by her friends and customers as being so nice.

The Vitamin D issue is a big one in Asian and other communties where ladies cover up and avoid sun.

Young Indian female friends at work were involved a few years back in a group to educate women on the dangers of doing this.

The Wife took out oddles of posh sunblock for family and friends they all think its the best thing since Balut:xxgrinning--00xx3:

Thanks for bringing up a topic which is a very important one which hardly gets mentioned.

[GaryFifer]

Don't worry half.k you get really white when you are university and you never get out in the sun cos you study so much.... right??? Well..thats when you not out all night getting drunk in the pubs.AHA!don't say you won't cos you will...

[maria_and_matt]

k now that we have established that whitening products cant possibly be good for any of us can i now ask what diet pills are safe to take :cwm12:

[andypaul]

k now that we have established that whitening products cant possibly be good for any of us can i now ask what diet pills are safe to take :cwm12:

A good balanced diet, exercise and will power far better surely?

[maria_and_matt]

A good balanced diet, exercise and will power far better surely?

agreed! but with all the hormone treatments and 2 bouts of cancer i have certainly put on the weight, i just dont get it i walk 3 miles a day with my dog, eat right but the £££'s are just piling on!

[GaryFifer]

Sorry, u want a quick fix Maria. I wish that too! Go for a swim and eat healthy. Burn the fat. I understand its trickly for you.Your body has been messed up enough. I have steriods put in the body to protect my lungs during chemotherapy. Energy levels will be hard for you.Have you been check for thyroid problem?
Dieting delete the bodies resources because you do not feed enough.In order to keep you alive, it uses the little food you have to substain itself.As soon as you eat again, your body resumes your normal function.Stop pills, you get fat.So its a waste of time..

[maria_and_matt]

Sorry, u want a quick fix Maria. Go for a swim and eat healthy. Burn the fat.

Dieting delete the bodies resources because you do not feed enough.In order to keep you alive, it uses the little food you have to substain itself.As soon as you eat again, your body resumes your normal function.Stop pills, you get fat.So its a waste of time..

nyahaha i cant swim! lame isnt it but when i was younger i almost drowned so i really didnt want to go in deep water after that. as for the quick fix that is the only thing i have not tried, i am not after a magic pill that would shed ££'s in weeks just something to get the old metabolism going.

[GaryFifer]

Wow sorry to hear that.Well I hope you can learn one day.Challenge yourself to do that, you can accomplish that. What about dancing :)

[maria_and_matt]

Wow sorry to hear that.Well I hope you can learn one day.Challenge yourself to do that, you can accomplish that. What about dancing :)

too scared to learn now.. i dance everyday lolz.. maybe im just gettin really old and retaining fat a lot! i walk for miles, i dance, i only eat fruits at night but nothing works :bigcry: a friend suggested liposuction but to be honest i am too scared to have it done. now i am just more resigned to the fact that i am fat, its just the side comments from so called friends that brings me down sometimes, 16 years ago i was a size 8 now im an 18 :NoNo:

[David House]

Having spent almost all my working life is the food industry I can assure you that commercial diets are almost always a total waste of money. There is no great secret to it. If you eat more than your body needs it will store the excess as fat, that is what we are genetically programmed to do, ready for those times when food is scarce, (which is never now with 24 hour opening supermarkets and buy one, get one offers). It might be boring but you need to only eat what you really need, and then make sure you take more exercise to burn it off. A balanced diet is essential to ensure you get enough vitamins and minerals but please don't take any vitamin pills or other health supplements. They are not only a total waste of time and money they are potentially pretty dangerous. Eat simply, eat little and often, eat wise (not too much fat and lots of fruit and veg) and you will be fine. I also dislike organic anything as a ridiculous waste of resources in a hungry world and believe we should all accept GM as the way forward!

[LEAHnew]

GUYS! GUYS!!

im sorry for asking about the whitening products!! lol



:doh You made it controversy:yikes::D
Anyway it's been informative :rolleyes:

[KeithD]

Calorie counting is the only diet that works adjusted to your bodies metabolism and the exercise you do.

[half.k]

k now that we have established that whitening products cant possibly be good for any of us can i now ask what diet pills are safe to take :cwm12:

me parents are vegan since i was born and so was I, til i was 17... i moved to london on my own cos I was modelling, and living with other models meant no time to cook, and all other girls were on atkins diet which meant lots of meat, a bit of salad and no carbs... i ended up trying meat and liked it, in the next 3 years i started noticing the arrow on my scale going clockwise... :omg:
and i didnt know why... this s why: I was very very active before I moved to london, and working here, meant running for casting to casting and from job to job and barely no time for anything... so i had my meals squeezed in my day whenever I had a few free minutes... and i discovered lack of exercise, meals not being on set times (this is very important!) and unhealthy food (a steak instead of a healthy salad) were the main cause.
Im glad to say im back to macrobiotic and vegan way of eating, I feel so much healthier I can eat whatever i feel like, Im never hungry and more active (not as much as i wished). I drink 3 litres a day of water and at least 3 cups of green tea a day...
:D

[jackmac452]

Wow David House...thats a pretty strong thing to say...."Believe we should all accept GM as the way forward"
Even our Government is doing a U-Turn on that issue

Genetically modified food and crops
The introduction of genetically modified (GM) food and crops has been a disaster. The science of taking genes from one species and inserting them into another was supposed to be a giant leap forward, but instead they pose a serious threat to biodiversity and our own health. In addition, the real reason for their development has not been to end world hunger but to increase the stranglehold multinational biotech companies already have on food production.

We are told that GM crops will help feed the world's poor but according to the United Nations, we already produce more than enough food to satisfy everyone. And even though consumers have rejected GM foods outright, the biotech companies and the governments that support them are still trying to force their inventions on us, purely for commercial gain. But the long term effects of GM crops have not been properly researched and, by cross-pollinating with non-GM crops and wild plants, they replicate themselves and contaminate the environment with genetic pollution that is impossible to clean up.

The simple truth is, we don't need GM technology. Using sustainable and organic farming methods will allow us to repair the damage done by industrial farming, reducing the excessive use of fertiliser, herbicides and other man-made chemicals, and making GM crops redundant.

Maybe we should take time to look at the poor Bee's that always seem nowadays to be walking on the floor or pathways...The ones that we are now told are losing their memories of how to get home as they have been pollinating the GM based plants and Oil Rape seed plants that are now everywhere...but then again....you may be right...where am I..who am I? whats this for? hahahaha take care my friend..maybe I watch X-Files too much.

[KeithD]

But the long term effects of GM crops have not been properly researched


They've been independently researched by many scientists, organisations & universities for years, and bugger all has been found wrong with them, and nor will anything be found, as it is just another form of cross-breeding/natural selection.

I'd be more worried about plastics, and the fact it is PROVEN to reduce fertility in men & women, as well as causing some cancers, and yet try and avoid plastics.

[half.k]

Wow David House...thats a pretty strong thing to say...."Believe we should all accept GM as the way forward"
Even our Government is doing a U-Turn on that issue

Genetically modified food and crops
The introduction of genetically modified (GM) food and crops has been a disaster. The science of taking genes from one species and inserting them into another was supposed to be a giant leap forward, but instead they pose a serious threat to biodiversity and our own health. In addition, the real reason for their development has not been to end world hunger but to increase the stranglehold multinational biotech companies already have on food production.

We are told that GM crops will help feed the world's poor but according to the United Nations, we already produce more than enough food to satisfy everyone. And even though consumers have rejected GM foods outright, the biotech companies and the governments that support them are still trying to force their inventions on us, purely for commercial gain. But the long term effects of GM crops have not been properly researched and, by cross-pollinating with non-GM crops and wild plants, they replicate themselves and contaminate the environment with genetic pollution that is impossible to clean up.

The simple truth is, we don't need GM technology. Using sustainable and organic farming methods will allow us to repair the damage done by industrial farming, reducing the excessive use of fertiliser, herbicides and other man-made chemicals, and making GM crops redundant.

Maybe we should take time to look at the poor Bee's that always seem nowadays to be walking on the floor or pathways...The ones that we are now told are losing their memories of how to get home as they have been pollinating the GM based plants and Oil Rape seed plants that are now everywhere...but then again....you may be right...where am I..who am I? whats this for? hahahaha take care my friend..maybe I watch X-Files too much.


Tell me about it!!! i did huge amounts of coursework about GM crops... the truth is GM crops can contaminate non-Gm crops and make them become sterile, which means all non-GM crops in the world would eventually die and in the future we would have to buy only from companies that sell GM crops, as only them have the technology to create them, in other words, they were going to get ALL profit of the whole world buying only for them.
wether it is harmful for our bodies or not, it is still being argument from both parties, but it will lead to a major economical, political and governamental catastrophe!!! companies that sell GM-crops will have the right to raise the price, and basicallly -> our lives will all be in their hands!!!

genius i must say: if GM-crops are accepted, companies that sell them will dominate the world!!!

it sounds like a cartoon story, i know, but its true!!!

[half.k]

Wow David House...thats a pretty strong thing to say...."Believe we should all accept GM as the way forward"
Even our Government is doing a U-Turn on that issue

Genetically modified food and crops
The introduction of genetically modified (GM) food and crops has been a disaster. The science of taking genes from one species and inserting them into another was supposed to be a giant leap forward, but instead they pose a serious threat to biodiversity and our own health. In addition, the real reason for their development has not been to end world hunger but to increase the stranglehold multinational biotech companies already have on food production.

We are told that GM crops will help feed the world's poor but according to the United Nations, we already produce more than enough food to satisfy everyone. And even though consumers have rejected GM foods outright, the biotech companies and the governments that support them are still trying to force their inventions on us, purely for commercial gain. But the long term effects of GM crops have not been properly researched and, by cross-pollinating with non-GM crops and wild plants, they replicate themselves and contaminate the environment with genetic pollution that is impossible to clean up.

The simple truth is, we don't need GM technology. Using sustainable and organic farming methods will allow us to repair the damage done by industrial farming, reducing the excessive use of fertiliser, herbicides and other man-made chemicals, and making GM crops redundant.

Maybe we should take time to look at the poor Bee's that always seem nowadays to be walking on the floor or pathways...The ones that we are now told are losing their memories of how to get home as they have been pollinating the GM based plants and Oil Rape seed plants that are now everywhere...but then again....you may be right...where am I..who am I? whats this for? hahahaha take care my friend..maybe I watch X-Files too much.


Someone's been copying and pasting from wikipedia.... :icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

[maria_and_matt]

we use organic all the time... dunno if its better than gm but it makes sense to eat organic :cwm12:

[GaryFifer]

How you know its organic though?Well I still like growing my own tatties in the backyard.It is better than tescos mush.Every little helps..make us richer.
:cwm23: HATE THEM heheh- just have to get that off my chest. I read Tesco were cutting back on toilet breaks for the staff unless they had a medical reason.

GM food were grown nearby where I live,but some guys came out and attacked the place.

[jackmac452]

Ohh my Goodness half.k....your much more than just a pretty face..I like your style...What you wrote makes music to my ears about the big multinational's...if they read this though...maybe the Men in Black may come for us.....and Gary2jessica..I used to deliver in Kirkcaldy...loved the place...also again, half.k...I didn't copy anything from Wikipedia...it's actually a report obtained from Greenpeace...and this time the Government took notice of it...anyway..Political Rant over..I'll get back to being a romantic old fool now.....

[andypaul]

Gm Crops, Y2K, Acid Rain, cold war, romans leaving the UK, the warm period in the early middle age would it ever cool down? the little ice age which started in the 16th century would it ever stop?, hasn't the sun only 5 billion years to go before it burns up or what have you?

Im sure we will all muddle along

[keithAngel]

Wow David House...thats a pretty strong thing to say...."Believe we should all accept GM as the way forward"
Even our Government is doing a U-Turn on that issue

Genetically modified food and crops
The introduction of genetically modified (GM) food and crops has been a disaster. The science of taking genes from one species and inserting them into another was supposed to be a giant leap forward, but instead they pose a serious threat to biodiversity and our own health. In addition, the real reason for their development has not been to end world hunger but to increase the stranglehold multinational biotech companies already have on food production.

We are told that GM crops will help feed the world's poor but according to the United Nations, we already produce more than enough food to satisfy everyone. And even though consumers have rejected GM foods outright, the biotech companies and the governments that support them are still trying to force their inventions on us, purely for commercial gain. But the long term effects of GM crops have not been properly researched and, by cross-pollinating with non-GM crops and wild plants, they replicate themselves and contaminate the environment with genetic pollution that is impossible to clean up.

The simple truth is, we don't need GM technology. Using sustainable and organic farming methods will allow us to repair the damage done by industrial farming, reducing the excessive use of fertiliser, herbicides and other man-made chemicals, and making GM crops redundant.

Maybe we should take time to look at the poor Bee's that always seem nowadays to be walking on the floor or pathways...The ones that we are now told are losing their memories of how to get home as they have been pollinating the GM based plants and Oil Rape seed plants that are now everywhere...but then again....you may be right...where am I..who am I? whats this for? hahahaha take care my friend..maybe I watch X-Files too much.

I was a bit surprised too the other interesting feature of GM particularly maize was that it is quite difficult to grow organically and is reliant on large fertiliser input which surprise is dependant on petrochemicals.

The Portuguese were i lived sussed this con very quickly.

We buy the seed from you every year instead of saving seed stock right

Oh and our stable fertiliser that keeps humus and structure in the soil needs supplementing with increasing amounts of nitrates ..that we buy from you right

instead of the bean squash maize symbiosis . monoculture and soil degradation and cost in cash that we get from where?

oh we borrow it using our land as collateral

Pull the other one

[David House]

Never confuse organic with fresh. Fresh fruit and veg always tastes better and if you pick it from your garden it cannot be any fresher. The plants don't know whether they are obtaining their nutrients from organic or inorganic fertilizers, so I really believe there is a huge con going on. Years ago I heard a representative of the "Soil Association" say to a trade conference that "organic food" offered supermarkets a huge profit opportunity. So they do, because of consumer ignorance. We should be much more concerned about pesticide residues than concentrating on organics, they are just a diversion.
I understand the concerns about Monsanto having too much control over the supply of seed stock but that is a separate issue of regulation and control, and something that Governments, or the UN, need to address. The fundamental point about GM is that if properly regulated and trialed it is a very important method of developing higher yielding food sources, or of bringing currently unproductive land into cultivation. I agree that in theory the world can produce the food needed without this technology but it doesn't, people are hungry right now. People who could grow enough food with the help of GM. In a warming world we simply cannot ignore this and allow those who spread scare stories to dominate the headlines. Of course there are risks, and of course there will be mistakes. I have little time for such as "Greenpeace" who seem to believe they have all the answers. Nothing worthwhile is ever done by not taking a risk. So long as it is monitored and controlled we should not fear this technology, we should embrace it, if not for ourselves then for the hungry people of our world.

[andypaul]

Although im sure technically different we change and alter humans physcially with medicnes and chemicals should we ban that as its going agaisnt the laws of nature. What about cross breeding and managing nature that we do. Will we regret it later on in the course of history?

People in the past thought space travel, cars, planes,radio waves, electricty and alsorts would end the world or effect peoples health far more than they did. I.e a car not healthy but howmnay peopls lifes were improved even safed by the invention?

Without knowing much about GM crops and the way they are formed it does seem that all GM is bad and all organic good.
But foods grown with organic fertiliser (human waste could be one i guess) is also thought abborent by some, not me personally as i know its made safe or is it? People say it is will point to scentific evidence and so wil those who say its bad will. As we all know science and what they think is the truth or how things work, what is safe changes over time.

In past history we thought we knew it all and were scared of certain processes or things happening and thought others were beyond reproach.

For me as a non expert i see that with all GM crop ideas are bad and organic is all fine, another possible just for us to regret later.

Are we saving up problems for the future, or missing out for the chance to save and improve many lifes?

[David House]

People are scared of what they don't understand, and they no longer trust "experts" and "scientists". I spent my working life in the food industry, supplying additives to food and drink manufacturers. The level of mistrust in the general population is astounding. "E" numbers are thought to be harmful when all they are is a unifying code system, which embraces many different categories, including some essentials like vitamin C. Poor parenting is blamed upon hyperactivity which is then blamed on food colours! All are urban myths dreamed up by people wanting to sell books or with political motives. Even some doctors believe this nonesense which is backed up by some long discredited "research".

[joebloggs]

me parents are vegan since i was born and so was I, til i was 17...
Im glad to say im back to macrobiotic and vegan way of eating, I feel so much healthier I can eat whatever i feel like, Im never hungry and more active (not as much as i wished). I drink 3 litres a day of water and at least 3 cups of green tea a day...
:D

wow proper vegans and macrobiotic food :D

i've been a junk food vegan for more than 25yrs :yikes:, just eat supermarket food without meat, fish or eggs, but i do eat some milk based products..

but watch you don't drink too much water, you have to watch your salt levels lady :Erm:

[andypaul]

People are scared of what they don't understand, and they no longer trust "experts" and "scientists". I spent my working life in the food industry, supplying additives to food and drink manufacturers. The level of mistrust in the general population is astounding. "E" numbers are thought to be harmful when all they are is a unifying code system, which embraces many different categories, including some essentials like vitamin C. Poor parenting is blamed upon hyperactivity which is then blamed on food colours! All are urban myths dreamed up by people wanting to sell books or with political motives. Even some doctors believe this nonesense which is backed up by some long discredited "research".

Reminds me of the Hygiene issue.

Of course good hygiene is prefered to being careless but some children(sdome now grown adults) are now thought to be a more risk due to the fact they have grown up in a clean enviroment.

My great gran (a cook by trade) was said to of gone along with the little bit of dirt never hurt. Which many phills seem to follow both far healthier and have far less allergies than the keep everything clean and safe set.

How will you bulid up your immune system if you never come into contact with smal amounts of bacteria etc?

[andypaul]

wow proper vegans and macrobiotic food :D

i've been a junk food vegan for more than 25yrs :yikes:, just eat supermarket food without meat, fish or eggs, but i do eat some milk based products..

but watch you don't drink too much water, you have to watch your salt levels lady :Erm:

Drink Sea water:D

Out of intrest do you think humans would have developed with out eating fish, meat or eggs?

I.e the proto humans (in monkey form) took a risk and from it developed the human.
Im sure the monkey and apes who said (well communicated in some form) dont do it at the time thouht that meat would kill them all.

Thats not to say vegan way of life is a bad idea nowdays. But shows how not thinking outside of the box at certain points in time....

[joebloggs]

i'm hardly ever ill, most years i don't catch colds or flu, never had many days off work thru illness (maybe 10 at most in the last 10 yrs), but then how many of those days people take off work thru illness, are they actually ill :D, my friend use to say yes i've got 21 days hol + 6 days sick to take this year as hols :icon_lol:


you think man came from the apes :yikes:, nah as you know god created Adam :doh

[andypaul]

i'm hardly ever ill, most years i don't catch colds or flu, never had many days off work thru illness (maybe 10 at most in the last 10 yrs), but then how many of those days people take off work thru illness, are they actually ill :D, my friend use to say yes i've got 21 days hol + 6 days sick to take this year as hols :icon_lol:


you think man came from the apes :yikes:, nah as you know god created Adam :doh
Joes a creationist:omg: wait untill Mr Admin finds out:D

[keithAngel]

The plants don't know whether they are obtaining their nutrients from organic or inorganic fertilizers, .

That may be true David but the core issue here is sustainability if you are small holding and using your animal manures to fertilise your gardens , which is still how a lot of the world feeds itself you are engaged in a self sustainable cycle and maintain the heart of your soil structure.Without needing to enter the agribusiness chain using disease resistant seeds that have evolved over Millenia.

We have had the ludicrous situation here in Europe were native seed stock is not allowed to be sold and the only way to obtain it is via seed libraries such as The Henry Doubleday Organisation.

We run great risks in reducing bio diversity and loosing Native Wisdom's in a single generation may have an as yet a catastrophic impact on future generations Nature is in a constant state of flux and our attempts to promote mono-culture disturbs this dynamic

In the third world it is not increasing dependence on machines and oil that needs to be promoted but rather Poly-culture and land access and small scale subsidies for multi-layered approaches to increased production such as niche farming (fish ponds ,beekeeping, deciduous reafforestation) running side by side with existing small holdings thus improving bio-diversity whilst maximising sustainable production.

[joebloggs]

Joes a creationist:omg: wait untill Mr Admin finds out:D

mankind was created by god, scouserkind was an experiment which went wrong :Rasp::Cuckoo: :doh

[David House]

I don't disagree with a lot of that Keith as I think all of these things have a place in our future. "Small" holdings though cannot feed the needs of the urban poor and this is where I believe GM has its place, to enable higher yields and the use of presently under farmed areas. We do, of course, need to maintain diversity but there seems to be no conflict to me. Both approaches have their use.

That may be true David but the core issue here is sustainability if you are small holding and using your animal manures to fertilise your gardens , which is still how a lot of the world feeds itself you are engaged in a self sustainable cycle and maintain the heart of your soil structure.Without needing to enter the agribusiness chain using disease resistant seeds that have evolved over Millenia.

We have had the ludicrous situation here in Europe were native seed stock is not allowed to be sold and the only way to obtain it is via seed libraries such as The Henry Doubleday Organisation.

We run great risks in reducing bio diversity and loosing Native Wisdom's in a single generation may have an as yet a catastrophic impact on future generations Nature is in a constant state of flux and our attempts to promote mono-culture disturbs this dynamic

In the third world it is not increasing dependence on machines and oil that needs to be promoted but rather Poly-culture and land access and small scale subsidies for multi-layered approaches to increased production such as niche farming (fish ponds ,beekeeping, deciduous reafforestation) running side by side with existing small holdings thus improving bio-diversity whilst maximising sustainable production.

[KeithD]

mankind was created by god, scouserkind was an experiment which went wrong :Rasp::Cuckoo: :doh
...and Mancs are a result of Welsh inbreeding....:xxgrinning--00xx3:

First signs of 'man' as we know him today lived on fruit, shellfish & fish, not meat, that came much later as the human race expanded.

[andypaul]

...and Mancs are a result of Welsh inbreeding....:xxgrinning--00xx3:

First signs of 'man' as we know him today lived on fruit, shellfish & fish, not meat, that came much later as the human race expanded.

Nuts:D dont forget nuts. Human life seems to have developed around coastlines (well probably inland was to bulit up) and im sure many said dont touch the fish or shell fish it might be harmful if eaten.

The first signs yes did not eat meat but to survie at various points in time they had to devlop the taste ablity to eat meat,harness fire. Which im sure someone said no the fire will consume us all or be the end of the world if they used it. Meat will turn us into Zombies.

If they had decided meat and fire was not for them then they most likely would have not survived.

Taking controled risks and investigating every possible way of moving forward is what makes the Human race different to all the others surely?

[keithAngel]

Nuts:D dont forget nuts. ?

How could we here :Smokin:

[KeithD]

How could we here :Smokin:
:Cuckoo:

[andypaul]

How could we here :Smokin:

But Mr Admin had forgotten his nuts:omg:

[aromulus]

I must have lost the plot somewhere along the line.......:Erm:

How did this thread about "skin whitening degenerate into animal manure, colds, flu, meat, fish, shellfish consuming...???:Erm:

[keithAngel]

I must have lost the plot somewhere along the line.......:Erm:

How did this thread about "skin whitening degenerate into animal manure, colds, flu, meat, fish, shellfish consuming...???:Erm:

Enlightened Moderation????:D

More to the point where will it all end

[KeithD]

Enlightened Moderation????:D

More to the point where will it all end

Year 5,000,000,001 :xxgrinning--00xx3:

[keithAngel]

Year 5,000,000,001 :xxgrinning--00xx3:

wana bet?:rolleyes: