They said Philippines is a country of God fearing nation? Why some filipinos marrying foreigners whose Atheist? I don't condemed people being Atheist I just don't understand why filipinos suddenly forgot the foundation of being a Christian. How can a Christian and Atheist live together happily?
Most of my Brits colleagues are very open being Atheist. Well, as they said its not end of the world...yet let see
Hi cheesewizOriginally Posted by cheesewiz
For me, it is all about respect.
As an atheist, I would never stop anyone from following their beliefs.
Likewise, I would expect them never to try to convince me that there is a God or that religion is important.
Intolerance is unacceptable from anyone.
How about intolerant people? Dont they have rights also?Hi cheesewiz
For me, it is all about respect.
As an atheist, I would never stop anyone from following their beliefs.
Likewise, I would expect them never to try to convince me that there is a God or that religion is important.
Intolerance is unacceptable from anyone.
I think you are being very intolerant of the empathicly challenged- or as you would so crudely put it "intolerent people"
People have the right to their own points of view. And if they wish to be narrow minded they shouldnt have to bother with you trying to make them feel "less than" or you trying to impose your will upon them by trying to shape the world to fit your idea of what "tolerence" is.
I really think you should maybe be banned from this forum or at least censored for a time until you can learn to be more tolerent.
I watched body shock on channel 4 the other night, it was about the girl with 2 faces, little Lali was widely worshipped as the incarnation of a Hindu god/goddess, but when she died, she was shunned by the village priest because she was of the lowest caste
one of the most disturbing parts of the program was even after death, not even religion would help an 'untouchable'.
R.I.P your better off out of this world
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nth-birth.html
That was appalling indeed. Of course the issues related to that case were derived from superstition, cultural, educational and traditional perspectives as well as a specific religion. Unfortunately, people all over the world are shunned because they are different. It's a terrible thing to occur but it does because that is what individuals do sometimes for their own personal reasons, which are often not related to any religion. Most people with or without a religion would not treat the little girl like that.I watched body shock on channel 4 the other night, it was about the girl with 2 faces
one of the most disturbing parts of the program was even after death, not even religion would help an 'untouchable'.
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I believe that faith and religion are very different things. Also, no two religions are the same just as no two faiths are. Additionally, individuals differ in terms of their understanding and behaviour, even within any given religion and faith.
Just as it is inappropriate to say that all non-belivers are the same, it is impossible to say that of people with a religion, not least of all as there are so many religions, each with distinct and fundamental principles, cultural and often traditions, etc.
Anyway, I've done my bit on this thread - I'm off to the airport!
To lighten up a little bit guys.....
"I hear Glenn Hoddle has found God. That must have been one hell of a pass."
(Bob Davies).
If you read my posts before, you will know that I made a point of saying that all religious people feel they have the right to impose their beliefs on non-believers. You are right, I have absolutely no time for people who bother other people in the name of religion.
I also made the point, religion in the UK is dying and has been doing so for many years now.
These are facts, and facts that make me happy.
"banned from this forum"?
You have just joined, you have no reputation and few posts and you are already spouting off.
It is not for individuals to ban people here, it is for moderators, who incidentally are moderate people.
I have been all over the bible belt in Tenessee, having lived in the USA for many years.
What a sorry part of the USA that is - you can't even get a drink in Nashville late at night
Now, that's not living and it's no fun either.
When I lived in the USA, almost every week I had people knocking on my door in the name of religion and wanting donations for this, that and the other.
Now I never knocked on their doors bothering them, but as you would imagine, I sent them packing before they even got through their first sentence. What a liberty - knocking on MY door
Meanwhile, I live in a country that sees through all the religious brainwashing that is still prevalent in your country.
We do not pander to religious parties, and as I mentioned before, the churches are emptying due to, amongst other things, scandals that have rocked, and still rock the trust that is supposed to be offered to the flock.
The whole christian religious movement thing is tarnished beyond belief in my opinion and no amount of apologies from the churches in the USA and the UK will ever stop the terrible pain that the MANY young victims have suffered.
The christian church is outdated and corrupt, too much money and land is owned by the church, but once again I will reiterate, the church is emptying.
I wonder why ????????????????
Now I love my wife and we accept each other for our differences and I love children in any country, and I would always protect an innocent child from harm if I could.
Has the church?
You BET it didn't.
Bah
You have figures to back up that claim? I'll agree Church attendances are down especially amongst the Christian faith, but are you referring to Christians only or the whole lot? If you are indeed lumping all Religions together, that to me stinks of ignorance. Post a link to some official figures.
Funny how the Catholic Church in Aberystwyth is always packed on Saturdays and Sundays. Oh, by the way, I'm not Catholic (or any religion, I'm just trying to bring some balance to this thread, as its a bit one-sided) If some Mormon or JW hassles me, I certainly wont shout them down, but ask them to leave me alone in a civilised manner. Isn't that how us Brits are supposed to behave?
http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/ne...tendence.shtml
Google attendances and you will find so many more.
It is bound to be an unbalanced thread because churches are always doing things to attract their disappearing flock.
You know this, we all know this.
Now you say you know attendances are dwindling, yet you want proof
If you say you know, why do you want proof?
You didn't know that churches were christian?
You are a little confused I think.
If you enjoy religious people invading your space, then carry on.
I don't shout them down, I just don't listen and close MY own door.
Very valid points Rob.
I believe that some problems stem from the fact that many observers cannot or are not prepared to, discern between Christianity, the various denominations thereof, faith, religion and also Islam, etc. Thus, most of the discussions that arise end up not being as productive as they might be, as the definitions they are based upon are somewhat corrupted. We should perhaps note that we are all individuals, whether atheist or faith driven. And, being good or bad is not mutually exclusive to being a believer or a non-believer. At the end of the days we all have a conscience. If it is a good one we will behave in such a way that we are driven to help and love others and leave a positive footprint as we pass by.
This thread has been insightful in many ways and I value having participated in it.
Be responsible with little so that you can be trusted with much!!
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Judging by this.... your own tolerance level seems inexistent....
We are all expressing our views, in an open and fair forum, nobody, as far as I could follow, is trying to convert anyone to anything.
So... Banning and censoring ain't on the cards.
Editing....might be....
Ok, sorry to any that didn`t get it that I was making a joke.
Judging by this.... your own tolerance level seems inexistent....
We are all expressing our views, in an open and fair forum, nobody, as far as I could follow, is trying to convert anyone to anything.
So... Banning and censoring ain't on the cards.
Editing....might be....
I wouldn`t want to ban or censor anyone anywhere. Just a joke, in my own unusual sense of humor.(and I was so sure that almost all of the Brits at least would understand it was a joke, but guess not)
Humorous or not though I was making a larger point that "tolerence" has become a new mantra in our Western society.
Being that I`m kind of different from most folks I should embrace the idea with zeal, or so one might think. Instead I`m not all that thrilled with it. It`s less of a new liberation and closer to a new inquisition in and of itself. Are you "tolerent" enough to fit in? If not, the new "church" of tolerence will not tolerate you for long.
Most people, it seems to me, that push so hard for "tolerence" will tolerate almost anything-except an opinion that differs from their own.
I`ll try using more smilely faces etc when making a joke in the future.
Actually I`m somewhat suprised I havent been banned or at least reprimanded for something with some of the stuff I say on here.
How very tolerent of everyone.
Thanks
this country is too tolerant and PC. stories from the last few months..
Dennis the Menace was "toned down" to avoid accusations of "gay-bashing"
"Manning the phones" and "man on the street" deemed to be sexist phrases by council.
Mr T Snickers ad cancelled after human rights group complains of homophobia.
Sniffer dogs to wear Muslim bootees
Police apologise for dog advert after claims it may upset some Muslims http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2229...omplaints.html
etc...................................
well at least you can count on scouser Keith telling it straight
So let me get this right.
Aposhark supports those who wish to belive what they do as long as they dont wish to harm or bother others.
I would say thats a typical British (hopefully worldwide) belief.
Aposhark has hit the nail on the head. My wife is chatholic, I'm atheist and its never been a problem and nor would I expect it to be. The priest when we got married said our kids would have to be christened when they're born. I said yes mainly so he would marry us. But at the end of the day its between my wife and me if we choose to chirsten our kids and so instill a religion on them.
Personally I believe its up to the informed individual to make up their own mind on religion, thats why I'm against chistening at an early age. Anyway I would not expect anyone to try to convert / force me into their beliefs as I would not do the same to them.
Repsect each others values, give and take and be tolerant of each other.
I did have this discussion too, only it ended slightly differently....
On occasion of my first marriage to a welsh Presbyterian, I did ask for the local catholic priest to bless the wedding and the rings, nothing else....
He came out with the same answer... He wanted A solemn promise to bring up any children in the Catholic faith....
I respectfully said that I could not promise anything of the sort as I wanted the kids to have their own choices as to what and who to worship. And that his request was bordering to blackmail... if not outright blackmail....
The priest got quite uppity and started quoting from some book or the other...
So I did tell him to shove it, as his blessings were no longer required...
Not in so many words, though....
Was that large bang? The sound of the Pearly Gates slamming shut?
Keith - Administrator
Same situation here, Im a Christian and my husband believes there is a higher being but not God-he makes his own religion. But it doesnt matter (although it will matter if my Pastor knew about it) so long as we respect each other. We sometimes have a healthy arguement about religion, creation of man etc..its a no win situation...its nice in a way but I wont be able to convince him to change his belief. You dont force a person to change anyway.
But I did say to him that I want our kids to know about God and attend church someday. He is fine with that. We teach our kids good values, to be nice to people...respect others...whats good/bad. My oldest kid even had a dedication in Philippines. I guess when it comes to spiritual learning, its me who will teach our kids.
Some couples are devout Catholics/Christians and yet their relationship arent perfect. Some even commit adultery...
I think Im off topic now
same hereSame situation here, Im a Christian and my husband believes there is a higher being but not God-he makes his own religion
But I did say to him that I want our kids to know about God and attend church someday. He is fine with that. We teach our kids good values, to be nice to people...respect others...whats good/bad. My oldest kid even had a dedication in Philippines. I guess when it comes to spiritual learning, its me who will teach our kids.
Some couples are devout Catholics/Christians and yet their relationship arent perfect. Some even commit adultery...
I think Im off topic now
all things are possible!
In the UK we class people who have an imaginary friend as mad.....I can live with a mad woman.....I'm used to madness
What the hell religion has to do with love & friendship though is beyond me, if folk let it get in the way, more fool them.
Keith - Administrator
We have to respect each other's beliefs. We can't force them, same thing i don't want to be forced on a religion which i am not comfortable with.
I agree with Geraldine. There are some couples that are devout Catholics/Christians and their relationships aren't perfect. But....
I would rather live and believe as if there is God and die
and to know there is none
than
live and believe as if there is no God and die
and to know that there is....
" The people who mean something to your life are not rated "the best" don't have the most money, haven't won the greatest prizes....
They are the ones who care about you, take care of you, those who, no matter what, stay close by... "
As a Christian, I couldn't commit to sharing a life with someone who didn't hold the same beliefs.
I'm not saying that I can't respect another persons beliefs, just that I couldn't share a close relationship.
Gods come & go every few 1000 years, and the Christian one is fading, and will be replaced in the future.
I vote we make a horse the next God
Keith - Administrator
Already been done.... I think....I vote we make a horse the next God
How about a lesser spotted liver bird...???
im a roman chatolic,but my hubby didnt believe in any religions.so since i arrived here in uk im only been twice to chatolic church but even that i didnt forgot to pray every morning and night b4 we go to bed.
I think the Philippines is almost an opposite to the UK in how many people go to church.
I have only ever met one friend in the UK who went to church, and one family member too, my Dad.
In all my years in England, I never had a conversation about the church, it was always something that was no longer important to British people, by and large.
As we all know in the UK, the influence of the church has continued to wane.
I see so many people go to church in Phils and I understand that it is still powerful there.
(I was amused to see condoms being sold in all the pharmacies there, though.)
If my wife ever wanted to go to church in the Phils or in the U.K., I would never stop her or ever say anything that would hurt her feelings on this issue.
I see so many comments on this forum with "God bless", "pray" or other things relating to religion.
I notice that it is almost always from Filipinas, which is understandable when you see how life is there.
oh my father in law i called him hypocrite go to church every sunday after church pub pissing himself and all magic words come up to his mouth
Please, do not confuse religion with british cultural customs.....
why not marry a Atheist ?
i take it cheesewiz you have only been conditioned with the catholic religion?
i was forced as a child to go to a church or England school, dragged to Jehovah witness meeting as a kid by my mom, and my dad was catholic. so you see why i'm happy being none, happy without the burden and guilt they put on you.
only thing i'm not happy about is our daughter going to a catholic school and going to confession at 6yrs old, still i've got time on my hands to free her mind
If somebody wants to believe in something then let them. When they start to interfere in other peoples lives is when it causes problems.
Organised religion is nothing more than a form of oppression to keep those without power in 'their place'. Don't rock the boat or envy our riches and you will get your reward in the 'afterlife'. It is simply about control. The so called pagan religions are as valid as christianity/islam/buddhism etc. Humanity has always wanted an explanation of how the world was created. No religious theory has any more credibility than any other.
If the church is open to everybody why are they locked most of the time.
The church of England is one of the richest organisations in the country but still puts its hand out for others to pay for repairs to churches and cathedrals.
How many poor priests/vicars do you see?
When people see through them the world will be a better place.
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