Hi cheesewizOriginally Posted by cheesewiz
For me, it is all about respect.
As an atheist, I would never stop anyone from following their beliefs.
Likewise, I would expect them never to try to convince me that there is a God or that religion is important.
Intolerance is unacceptable from anyone.
How about intolerant people? Dont they have rights also?Hi cheesewiz
For me, it is all about respect.
As an atheist, I would never stop anyone from following their beliefs.
Likewise, I would expect them never to try to convince me that there is a God or that religion is important.
Intolerance is unacceptable from anyone.
I think you are being very intolerant of the empathicly challenged- or as you would so crudely put it "intolerent people"
People have the right to their own points of view. And if they wish to be narrow minded they shouldnt have to bother with you trying to make them feel "less than" or you trying to impose your will upon them by trying to shape the world to fit your idea of what "tolerence" is.
I really think you should maybe be banned from this forum or at least censored for a time until you can learn to be more tolerent.
I watched body shock on channel 4 the other night, it was about the girl with 2 faces, little Lali was widely worshipped as the incarnation of a Hindu god/goddess, but when she died, she was shunned by the village priest because she was of the lowest caste
one of the most disturbing parts of the program was even after death, not even religion would help an 'untouchable'.
R.I.P your better off out of this world
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nth-birth.html
That was appalling indeed. Of course the issues related to that case were derived from superstition, cultural, educational and traditional perspectives as well as a specific religion. Unfortunately, people all over the world are shunned because they are different. It's a terrible thing to occur but it does because that is what individuals do sometimes for their own personal reasons, which are often not related to any religion. Most people with or without a religion would not treat the little girl like that.I watched body shock on channel 4 the other night, it was about the girl with 2 faces
one of the most disturbing parts of the program was even after death, not even religion would help an 'untouchable'.
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I believe that faith and religion are very different things. Also, no two religions are the same just as no two faiths are. Additionally, individuals differ in terms of their understanding and behaviour, even within any given religion and faith.
Just as it is inappropriate to say that all non-belivers are the same, it is impossible to say that of people with a religion, not least of all as there are so many religions, each with distinct and fundamental principles, cultural and often traditions, etc.
Anyway, I've done my bit on this thread - I'm off to the airport!
To lighten up a little bit guys.....
"I hear Glenn Hoddle has found God. That must have been one hell of a pass."
(Bob Davies).
Hi USA, interesting point you make, however just because someone has a right to a viewpoint (see comment by famous French philospher earlier) does not mean that it should be tolerated or accepted by the society it is expressed in, for example holocaust deniers or anti war protesters turning up at US soldiers funerals. Some views/actions SHOULD NOT EVER be tolerated. People who hold socially unacceptable views can be and generally are shunned. The problem with this is that they then congregrate together, form communitys - white supremacists and become more extreme.
off topic I know but just wanted to respond to your point
Live your life for a reason and don't worry be happy
if you don't know where you are going then any road will do!!
If you read my posts before, you will know that I made a point of saying that all religious people feel they have the right to impose their beliefs on non-believers. You are right, I have absolutely no time for people who bother other people in the name of religion.
I also made the point, religion in the UK is dying and has been doing so for many years now.
These are facts, and facts that make me happy.
"banned from this forum"?
You have just joined, you have no reputation and few posts and you are already spouting off.
It is not for individuals to ban people here, it is for moderators, who incidentally are moderate people.
I have been all over the bible belt in Tenessee, having lived in the USA for many years.
What a sorry part of the USA that is - you can't even get a drink in Nashville late at night
Now, that's not living and it's no fun either.
When I lived in the USA, almost every week I had people knocking on my door in the name of religion and wanting donations for this, that and the other.
Now I never knocked on their doors bothering them, but as you would imagine, I sent them packing before they even got through their first sentence. What a liberty - knocking on MY door
Meanwhile, I live in a country that sees through all the religious brainwashing that is still prevalent in your country.
We do not pander to religious parties, and as I mentioned before, the churches are emptying due to, amongst other things, scandals that have rocked, and still rock the trust that is supposed to be offered to the flock.
The whole christian religious movement thing is tarnished beyond belief in my opinion and no amount of apologies from the churches in the USA and the UK will ever stop the terrible pain that the MANY young victims have suffered.
The christian church is outdated and corrupt, too much money and land is owned by the church, but once again I will reiterate, the church is emptying.
I wonder why ????????????????
Now I love my wife and we accept each other for our differences and I love children in any country, and I would always protect an innocent child from harm if I could.
Has the church?
You BET it didn't.
Bah
You have figures to back up that claim? I'll agree Church attendances are down especially amongst the Christian faith, but are you referring to Christians only or the whole lot? If you are indeed lumping all Religions together, that to me stinks of ignorance. Post a link to some official figures.
Funny how the Catholic Church in Aberystwyth is always packed on Saturdays and Sundays. Oh, by the way, I'm not Catholic (or any religion, I'm just trying to bring some balance to this thread, as its a bit one-sided) If some Mormon or JW hassles me, I certainly wont shout them down, but ask them to leave me alone in a civilised manner. Isn't that how us Brits are supposed to behave?
http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/ne...tendence.shtml
Google attendances and you will find so many more.
It is bound to be an unbalanced thread because churches are always doing things to attract their disappearing flock.
You know this, we all know this.
Now you say you know attendances are dwindling, yet you want proof
If you say you know, why do you want proof?
You didn't know that churches were christian?
You are a little confused I think.
If you enjoy religious people invading your space, then carry on.
I don't shout them down, I just don't listen and close MY own door.
Like what? Putting on strip shows?
I don't know, is that what they have to resort to in your town to get the punters in?Like what? Putting on strip shows?
I need some walls striping can i ask the local Church to help meLike what? Putting on strip shows?
Very valid points Rob.
I believe that some problems stem from the fact that many observers cannot or are not prepared to, discern between Christianity, the various denominations thereof, faith, religion and also Islam, etc. Thus, most of the discussions that arise end up not being as productive as they might be, as the definitions they are based upon are somewhat corrupted. We should perhaps note that we are all individuals, whether atheist or faith driven. And, being good or bad is not mutually exclusive to being a believer or a non-believer. At the end of the days we all have a conscience. If it is a good one we will behave in such a way that we are driven to help and love others and leave a positive footprint as we pass by.
This thread has been insightful in many ways and I value having participated in it.
Be responsible with little so that you can be trusted with much!!
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Judging by this.... your own tolerance level seems inexistent....
We are all expressing our views, in an open and fair forum, nobody, as far as I could follow, is trying to convert anyone to anything.
So... Banning and censoring ain't on the cards.
Editing....might be....
Ok, sorry to any that didn`t get it that I was making a joke.
Judging by this.... your own tolerance level seems inexistent....
We are all expressing our views, in an open and fair forum, nobody, as far as I could follow, is trying to convert anyone to anything.
So... Banning and censoring ain't on the cards.
Editing....might be....
I wouldn`t want to ban or censor anyone anywhere. Just a joke, in my own unusual sense of humor.(and I was so sure that almost all of the Brits at least would understand it was a joke, but guess not)
Humorous or not though I was making a larger point that "tolerence" has become a new mantra in our Western society.
Being that I`m kind of different from most folks I should embrace the idea with zeal, or so one might think. Instead I`m not all that thrilled with it. It`s less of a new liberation and closer to a new inquisition in and of itself. Are you "tolerent" enough to fit in? If not, the new "church" of tolerence will not tolerate you for long.
Most people, it seems to me, that push so hard for "tolerence" will tolerate almost anything-except an opinion that differs from their own.
I`ll try using more smilely faces etc when making a joke in the future.
Actually I`m somewhat suprised I havent been banned or at least reprimanded for something with some of the stuff I say on here.
How very tolerent of everyone.
Thanks
this country is too tolerant and PC. stories from the last few months..
Dennis the Menace was "toned down" to avoid accusations of "gay-bashing"
"Manning the phones" and "man on the street" deemed to be sexist phrases by council.
Mr T Snickers ad cancelled after human rights group complains of homophobia.
Sniffer dogs to wear Muslim bootees
Police apologise for dog advert after claims it may upset some Muslims http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2229...omplaints.html
etc...................................
well at least you can count on scouser Keith telling it straight
So let me get this right.
Aposhark supports those who wish to belive what they do as long as they dont wish to harm or bother others.
I would say thats a typical British (hopefully worldwide) belief.
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