And if that means staying in PI as an 'illegal immigrant' then what the hell.
And if that means staying in PI as an 'illegal immigrant' then what the hell.
Wena&Russ
I would not report them. I would, however, be very concerned that they are open to exploitation and have no health cover or any other basic protection while they are here.
Whats the point of reprting someone and almost certainly ruining their life and the lives of the family they depend on? You would have to be a cruel and heartless person to do that face to face.
its not right to be illegal immigrants bec they are violating the law of this countryHow can they live without peace of mind that everyday they are scared bec for sure they know that sooner or later they will get caught. Imo, I know they're helping their families back home but its like stealing for me I can't provide for my families by means of stealing
Im legal immigrant of this country. I went to rigid process just to get here and I am paying big taxes for 4 years and NI. Still I may not get ILR next year bec of many changes of immigration laws yet I am legal immigrant and contibuting to the economy...how much more those ilegal immigrants all they helping are their families back home and not giving back to the country where they live.
There are plenty of criminals around for us to get concerned about. Why not report them instead of over stayers?
Clearly if people are caught overstaying they must be dealt with. But anyone with any heart or christian feeling would realise that in dealing with this type of criminal you are ruining someone's life for ever.
And who is the victim? It is not on to blame illegal immigrants for the fact that we have such a horrible time applying for visas. In return for our horrible time we get good rights and protection, health, and education for our kids.
everyone is the victim, the British tax payer who has to pay for the immigration service, the 'over stayer' who wants a better life, who doesn't ? but comes to the uk and the only work they can get is where the boss exploits them paying them virtually nothing, the legal immigrant who has to pay for a visa, who faces more restrictive rules and longer qualifying period to live here permanently partly because of over stayers, and the biggest loser is the Brit who marries a non European and has to pay for the visa, immigration service needs paying for,and much of it by those who use it legally.Originally Posted by IanB
an over stayer is a criminal, they sign the visa app stating they will return when their visa expires, just like when you sign any contract, then you break it, you face the consequences, many have no intention of ever going back, if they were skilled they could apply for a work permit or HSMP. no so they break the law, making it harder for everyone else
horrible time applying for visa, the cost of a VV or student visa (the 2 fav visas used by over stayers) is nothing compared to the cost of a settlement visa, ILR or citizenship, how many illegal immigrants do you think, have nearly paid £4000 in visa fees, NONE ! must be just me then
as for the rights we enjoy here in the uk, they are paid for by the tax payer,and tax payers before us, from our parents and grandparents who fought for those rights and paid for them, to give their kids a better life..
Wordeveryone is the victim, the British tax payer who has to pay for the immigration service, the 'over stayer' who wants a better life, who doesn't ? but comes to the uk and the only work they can get is where the boss exploits them paying them virtually nothing, the legal immigrant who has to pay for a visa, who faces more restrictive rules and longer qualifying period to live here permanently partly because of over stayers, and the biggest loser is the Brit who marries a non European and has to pay for the visa, immigration service needs paying for,and much of it by those who use it legally.
an over stayer is a criminal, they sign the visa app stating they will return when their visa expires, just like when you sign any contract, then you break it, you face the consequences, many have no intention of ever going back, if they were skilled they could apply for a work permit or HSMP. no so they break the law, making it harder for everyone else
horrible time applying for visa
as for the rights we enjoy here in the uk, they are paid for by the tax payer,and tax payers before us, from our parents and grandparents who fought for those rights and paid for them, to give their kids a better life..
The less spare tax we have means less aid for those abroad as well.
If i wanted to and had the spare cash i could sort the younger members of the family with a land title bung some cash in the bank for six months. bribe someone to offer them a job in phill.
Then with contacts i have here in the Uk sign them on with a college, plenty of them here in London. All the colleges I know of have Visa departments with experts who are very well used.
Many of the students come to do the minimum hours and level and they have to timetable the lessons to work around their jobs. I was in a conversation with several tutors and they mentioned some even pay other students to attend the classes.
Many smaller eatries and what not will employ them for the set hours they are allowed but happily pass them a enevlope for the extra hours.
Some they are paid in food for the extra time, heard this from those offered it. Others never get the pay how can they argue?
Again i have seen examples of employees and employer (with security) debating this matter in a very famous street where many on here would enjoy the food.
I spent another hour and 3/4 quarters in a A and e reception behind the counter by chance due to my work yesterday.
The big problem apart from (truly ill people with mental disorders who were very scary due to their condtion) was the whole system was bogged down yet again by people with very suspect stories taking up so much of the Staffs time and then many had issues which should have been dealt with by a GP or a medicentre.
I witnessed with my own eyes 5 indivuals who gave such dodgy stories (addresses which didn't exist, and forgetting there own stories etc)
Most of the Patients were non indigeous brits due to the central london location. These included tourists, students, workers and family.
The GP they will not use as need I.D and Medicentre costs money im told.
This slowed down the time to see a member of staff for all. Means the time is limited.
Many dont give genuine contacts or addresses so when they are still ill/injured but stable im told they have no choice but to keep them there and then arrange transport. Taking up more resources.
Would i want like i saw in france years ago as a kid roads closed off and alll checked for ID? No
Something has to happen and I do view those that know they have no Valid Visa as criminals.
Like all crimnals there are ones who are evill and those who are forced into the act though desperation. Of course you treat the shoplifter who steals food to stay alive differently (i.e the overstayer who cant afford to go home for various reasons) to those who profit or gain enjoyment from crimnal acts or those who pay huge amounts to enter the Uk.
But I would not actively support people ilegally entering the country.
Maybe going round hunting down overstayers maybe a bit extreme, but what about those who support doing nothing.
Surely people are aware that crimnals normally from the same culture/country normally exploit those who would rather keep a low profile.
Some might belive the none of my business people are just as gulity when people trafickers and con people fleece and mistreat some of these people.
lastly can those who are happy for people to share there house and resources. Please post there addresses on here so we can all pop round please?
Remeber you live privilliged lives like this country so you would not care if there were loads of people other than your family sharing your house garden, food im sure.
Why should you keep your privilliged lives to your self?
Of course same for your 2nd propety in phill as well dont forget to share with all
Remeber no grassing up if people cause mayhem in your gaff as reporting people is not on.
Do remeber this site appears high in google searchs so if we start a thread "I have no problem with people sharing my house and resources" thread so more people can find it. Maybe we could put you on faceparty they get hundreds to parties in days?
If you really care for equal rights and sharing all with others let see some proof
Personally to busy trying to help my own family and friends to help tehe whole world but carry on people.
can you pop the kettle on i will be round to borrow your sofa in an hour or so
you can pop down, or up any time you want Andy, i hope my dogs drinking bowl will be OK for your cuppa thou, it's ok, I'll give it a good squirt of detol after you've gone
what most people seem to think, that all illegal immigrants are poor, many are, but some runs businesses in the UK, have rich parents, remember if their applying for a student visa, INT fees are at least £3,500 year and up to £18,000 a year, really poor hey if they can afford to pay up to £60,000 just for fees
If anyones in London PM me and i will point them in the direction of the nearest dodgy college. Check out the clothes, phones and other signs of wealthyou can pop down, or up any time you want Andy, i hope my dogs drinking bowl will be OK for your cuppa thou, it's ok, I'll give it a good squirt of detol after you've gone
what most people seem to think, that all illegal immigrants are poor, many are, but some runs businesses in the UK, have rich parents, remember if their applying for a student visa, INT fees are at least £3,500 year and up to £18,000 a year, really poor hey if they can afford to pay up to £60,000 just for fees
Joe im sure you look after your Dog well better than thames water so I would be safe drinking the water
Actually I'll take the dettol as whats yours is mine.
but the misses hates the dog, all dogs
Joe im sure you look after your Dog well better than thames water so I would be safe drinking the water
well that's true, there are many fake colleges and uni's, with the students working full time
well most of them fake ones should be gone soon, as they have to apply for a license, and the gov will be quick to cancel it, if they do anything dodgy, also they will be responsible for reporting students who do not attend class etc,,,
Oh yes they are all vey strict on reporting students who dont turn up but all im told is forgiven if they have a good excuse. More time down A and E then getting a notebut the misses hates the dog, all dogs
well that's true, there are many fake colleges and uni's, with the students working full time
well most of them fake ones should be gone soon, as they have to apply for a license, and the gov will be quick to cancel it, if they do anything dodgy, also they will be responsible for reporting students who do not attend class etc,,,
[QUOTE=Toyang;95454]If you knew someone whose overstaying and working illegally in the UK, are you going to report her/him to the Immigration Police?
Everyone have their own reason why they chose to violate the rules and working illegally, but rules are rules and everyone should follow it. I have been to UK several times and I `ve seen some fellow Filipinos who work legally but still struggling, because of the high cost of living in the UK, how much more for those who are working illegally?
I think most are being blind by the green pasture mentality, they thought that gold and wealth is very easy to dig in the west.
In my humble opinion, I would rather to work legally to other country, even its not wealthy country where I will have peace of mind and not looking at my shoulder all the time.
Six illegal immigrants attempted to enter the UK by hiding themselves in Tesco shopping trolleys.
The six men, four Indians and two Afghans, were discovered hiding in a lorry full of shopping trolleys by UK Border Agency officials in Dunkerque, France.
The officials searched the Polish-registered lorry on Wednesday, 29 October before it was due to board a ferry to Dover.
http://chaisamosa.net/index.php/late...enu-id-363html
Dozens of suspected illegal workers have been arrested as part of a raid at a chicken factory in Lancashire.
http://www.lep.co.uk/news/Workers-ar...ory.4704095.jp
I agree with these 2 statements. Most illegals arrived here legally, but their visas have expired. The immigration system was so useless it wasn't recorded whether or not they left the UK. I wouldn't tell the authorities about overstayers. They're not claiming benefits from the UK and doing work that the Brits think too demeaning.
Andy
Surrey, UK
it is a shame for them but no sorry.i dont think thay let me stay in philippines with out a visa what ever reason i gave it would be bye bye gaz/maybs
Hello Toyang peace please,Do u mind if i ask,where u right now UK or PI
peace
Hello Toyang peace please,Do u mind if i ask,where u right now UK or PI
peaceIm on the planet Earth.
(joke only!)
now am here in Cebu City.
you? where is that paradise?
Thanks, feel relieved for your reply paradise is great yarmouth
now am here in Cebu City.
you? where is that paradise?
Wanted to invite you for buffet lunch at Dad's place on Saturday w/ some members here
it was fun lol.... so stuff hahaha Looking forward to do it next time again i hope...
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