Our Friends In Europe

[Troubadour]

The plan is for everyone to work 84 hours a week for £5.35 an hour.

I support a 48 hour maximum week, but only if you get a living wage for that 48 hours.

Capitalism is the problem - competition means one thing only - competition to batter the workers wages down to increase profits. All other costs are non-negotiable.

The problem is... Cut workers wages and no one can spend any money because they are all too poor.

So you can only get around it by extending credit...

Extended credit = rising prices for houses - which increases the greed of house sellers - which leads to even more extended credit...

Fractional reserves are increased from 10% to 20% - 30, 40 .... 60%...

Bang!

The bubble bursts...

and here we are.... Trillions in debt.

Yes - I am a MARXIST

NO - I am not apologising - I was right all along

[somebody]

The plan is for everyone to work 84 hours a week for £5.35 an hour.

I support a 48 hour maximum week, but only if you get a living wage for that 48 hours.

Capitalism is the problem - competition means one thing only - competition to batter the workers wages down to increase profits. All other costs are non-negotiable.

The problem is... Cut workers wages and no one can spend any money because they are all too poor.

So you can only get around it by extending credit...

Extended credit = rising prices for houses - which increases the greed of house sellers - which leads to even more extended credit...

Fractional reserves are increased from 10% to 20% - 30, 40 .... 60%...

Bang!

The bubble bursts...

and here we are.... Trillions in debt.

Yes - I am a MARXIST

NO - I am not apologising - I was right all along

Free market if regulated with a social concious seems to have been the most popular. Though out time.

Russia and other communist countries made a hash of running their affairs. The way many communist countries control their people is if anything worse than the west (thats saying something)

So it seems humans are the weak point

If you turned the UK into a marxist country while the rest of the world carried on as it is do you think we would be any better? would people buy our products or services how would we service our debts? Would we be able to create and produce all the lifesaving drugs and source all materials we need for our health care?

Even cuba has to export its health workers abroad to get oill and cash for the system. They also pimp out the health care to anyone with money and the locals miss out or pushed down the queue. Check out Camilo Cienfuegos compared to what the locals version?

What do you call a living wage? As many in the world get by on two dollars a day?


A world where all shared everything equally would be great im with you there all the way.
But its unlikely to happen with human nature (ie evolution is survival of the fittest) so finding a happy medium is the best way surely?

With out competion the Human race would not be what it is now in its level of development. In fact most likely would not exist, as even animals compete for resources.

[joebloggs]

Even cuba has to export its health workers abroad to get oill and cash for the system. They also pimp out the health care to anyone with money and the locals miss out or pushed down the queue. Check out Camilo Cienfuegos compared to what the locals version?

i think you will find much of the health care and drugs is free in cuba, espcially if your low paid..

i remember watching a film 'sicko' by Michael Moore,it showed some Americans who were injured as they tired to rescue people from the 9/11 attacks, they were refused treatment in the usa or they couldn't afford it, he took them to cuba where docs looked at them and gave them medicines for free or were very cheap compared to usa prices..

[somebody]

i think you will find much of the health care and drugs is free in cuba, espcially if your low paid..

i remember watching a film 'sicko' by Michael Moore,it showed some Americans who were injured as they tired to rescue people from the 9/11 attacks, they were refused treatment in the usa or they couldn't afford it, he took them to cuba where docs looked at them and gave them medicines for free or were very cheap compared to usa prices..

Yeah its free but like all goverments left or right they spin. Some mates from football who are very left of centre minded went over there and were the ones who told me although the system has many plus points he had many down sides.

They do many things the right way but still chase the hard currency and have thousnads of doctors working abroad and many people from south american countires cloging up their system. All in the cause of money and oill which seems to corrupt or sway all.


Great idea for a system but like the NHS far from perfect