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    Quote Originally Posted by gemini63 View Post
    i applied my visa and come here with my own capability.All ive got from my fiancee is the invitation letter...I believe having addressBut its on the part of to visit is a big point..But its on the part also of the applicant to prove capability on visit visa requirements...
    did you state on your VV app your sponsor is your fiancée ?


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    BruceP, drop me an e-mail at *************. com and i'll send you a copy of the supporting documents and an example of the application my g/f sent. She is also in the process of annulment atm.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    did you state on your VV app your sponsor is your fiancée ?
    not directly, but understandable...I put close friend..it can be, coz its understood if they ask..im capable to have bf..coz im separated long time.. only the problem im not annulled yet.. some reason i cant at this time coz of my children.For their protection...


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    Quote Originally Posted by gemini63 View Post
    not directly, but understandable...I put close friend..it can be, coz its understood if they ask..im capable to have bf..coz im separated long time.. only the problem im not annulled yet.. some reason i cant at this time coz of my children.For their protection...
    only reason i ask, was that if you apply for a fiancée or spouse visa, and you mention you was in a relationship for x years, and you've did not mentioned this on any VV app after the start of your relationship , i don't think its a good enough reason for refusal (but another excuse for backing up and other reason why they could refuse you),. but just be careful when you do apply what dates you put down when you became more than friends


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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    only reason i ask, was that if you apply for a fiancée or spouse visa, and you mention you was in a relationship for x years, and you've did not mentioned this on any VV app after the start of your relationship , i don't think its a good enough reason for refusal (but another excuse for backing up and other reason why they could refuse you),. but just be careful when you do apply what dates you put down when you became more than friends
    I would re-iterate that. Please see my post after consulting an IAS advisor. When we applied for a VV, we also used the term Close Friends to describe our relationship that time - for almost exactly the same reasons as Gemini.

    What we said, in our Fiancee visa application, was that the term "close friends" was more apt at that time, because we had not yet met in person. Since when, Shei has been annulled, and we have met twice - and the relationship has developed. It is 2 years since we were refused the VV, so it is natural that things have changed since then.

    For dates, we said our relationship started on the day we first met in person. We explained further, in Section 7, that that was the date we first met in person, although our initial contact happened a few years earlier.

    Hopefully this covers all bases for us in our application. Just thought I would bring the IAS advice to this question.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ady View Post
    I would re-iterate that. Please see my post after consulting an IAS advisor. When we applied for a VV, we also used the term Close Friends to describe our relationship that time - for almost exactly the same reasons as Gemini.

    What we said, in our Fiancee visa application, was that the term "close friends" was more apt at that time, because we had not yet met in person. Since when, Shei has been annulled, and we have met twice - and the relationship has developed. It is 2 years since we were refused the VV, so it is natural that things have changed since then.

    For dates, we said our relationship started on the day we first met in person. We explained further, in Section 7, that that was the date we first met in person, although our initial contact happened a few years earlier.

    Hopefully this covers all bases for us in our application. Just thought I would bring the IAS advice to this question.
    Yes thats right...It will be my reason too if il apply next time, with another status if we got married already into spouse visa..That i said close friend, not denying any...Coz they dont interview me.And im ready if they will, for the reason i put close friend coz im stil married and i dont deny that..and eco can understand coz no divorce in phil..I think eco is clever enough to read situations if youR a woman then saying" Close Friend" referring to a guy..


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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    only reason i ask, was that if you apply for a fiancée or spouse visa, and you mention you was in a relationship for x years, and you've did not mentioned this on any VV app after the start of your relationship , i don't think its a good enough reason for refusal (but another excuse for backing up and other reason why they could refuse you),. but just be careful when you do apply what dates you put down when you became more than friends
    close friend is understood in some cases to be more than just friends between man and woman...I dont think so that the co is so thick minded about it...It can be acceptable coz eco knows that theres no divorce in phil..loads are separated and can have bf..CAn you not visit a BF? it can right? so there no reason it could be a refusal for visit visa...If u will visit a fiancee as long as the eco found out that your capable to do so...


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    Quote Originally Posted by gemini63 View Post
    close friend is understood in some cases to be more than just friends between man and woman..
    ..CAn you not visit a BF?
    but you put close friend , and not BF?

    not the same thing to me,, I'm just warning you i have read of a few cases where people were refused a visa for not mentioning they were in a relationship..

    the reason why some people did not reveal it, was becuase they thought if they said they were in a relationship they wolud be refused, becuase of the greater risk they wouldn't want to go back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    but you put close friend , and not BF?

    not the same thing to me,, I'm just warning you i have read of a few cases where people were refused a visa for not mentioning they were in a relationship..

    the reason why some people did not reveal it, was becuase they thought if they said they were in a relationship they wolud be refused, becuase of the greater risk they wouldn't want to go back.
    MY plan next..if im ready to be annuled and got it, me and fiancee will get married in phil, then il apply for another status" spouse visa". I can tell them if intervied thats why i get visit visa only coz not ready to marry yet..But now wr married so i apply for another status."Close friend can be a bf, its understood sometimes.Ok lets put this way...Can a woman close friend cannot marry her close friend in the future?


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    some advice from a well known immigration site.



    A person who has been to the UK frequently and has stayed for long periods (i.e., up to six months per year) would naturally expect a longer and more probing interview because a travel history like that may indicate that the person is not a genuine visitor. The same can be said for people who appear to be concealing something, such as traveling to meet a boyfriend/girlfriend they met on the internet. It is ironic to note that some people who have sought to contrive a purpose for their visit because they though their circumstances were too complex to explain were eventually refused entry - when had they been candid, they would have sailed right through!.

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    There is nothing in the rules prohibiting travel to the UK to pursue an internet relationship, and given the applicant meets the rules they will generally be successful in obtaining entry as a visitor. However,

    Some IOs were surprised, and suspicious, when people travel to spend time with someone they hardly know or have never met. If people are going to visit someone in another country, IOs assume they will have had recent or regular contact and will know something about the other person. Internet relationships attract particular attention.
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    Where the sponsor is a boyfriend or girlfriend, the IO may be wary that the passenger will attempt to settle, or get married without a visa. If passengers lie about having a partner or romantic interest in the UK, or about the nature of the relationship, this can seriously damage their chances of being allowed to enter the country. Sometimes when IOs are not happy with some aspect of a story, they may put out a call to see if anyone is meeting the passenger in the arrivals hall; on occasion this produces a partner or spouse.
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    Officers commented that internet relationships tend to generate a lot of cases, and are a particular problem among American passengers. If the passenger is young, single and unemployed, there are concerns that he or she may be trying to start a new life in the UK.

    -Extract from "Exploring the decision making of Immigration Officers: a research study examining non-EEA passenger stops and refusals at UK ports" (Home Office Research & Development Service, January 2007)

    as i said before just be careful of your dates when you became more than close friends !


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    Quote Originally Posted by gemini63 View Post
    MY plan next..if im ready to be annuled and got it, me and fiancee will get married in phil, then il apply for another status" spouse visa". I can tell them if intervied thats why i get visit visa only coz not ready to marry yet..But now wr married so i apply for another status."Close friend can be a bf, its understood sometimes.Ok lets put this way...Can a woman close friend cannot marry her close friend in the future?
    This might be the case in the Philippines, but in the UK (well at least in mine and joeblogg's opinion) a close friend is not a BF/GF, it is just a very good friend.


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