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    I thought that Peter and Gina's comments summarised the documentary very well.

    I agree that it was well balanced and given that they had less that 1 hour I cannot see how they could have got more in. They covered a lot of wide ranging issues and the interviews were heavily edited as it was.

    It showed both positive and negative sides without being particularly judgemental. They could have been a LOT more negative had they wished.

    Just one point Peter; the bond that Imelda Marcos had was for 987 billion dollars (not 80 million). (So that's how the Philippines went from one of the richest to one of the poorest countries in Asia.)

    Also I couldn't help but notice how, when the Muslim teacher asked the question "How do we solve the problem?" she passed over the first child's answer "Stop the war." and chose to dwell on the answer of fighting for independance. As long as kids are being taught in this manner there is no point looking for a peaceful settlement. She says that she doesn't recommend fighting or war. She just plants the seeds of violence in the minds of the kids and watches them grow.

    She even admitted at the end that she would choose independance over peace. You have to agree with her though when she says that she cannot trust the people in power.

    The final words of the documentary were that the Philippines is one of the most beautiful regions in the world so I really do think that it was a well balanced programme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy n Grasya View Post
    I thought that Peter and Gina's comments summarised the documentary very well.

    I agree that it was well balanced and given that they had less that 1 hour I cannot see how they could have got more in. They covered a lot of wide ranging issues and the interviews were heavily edited as it was.

    It showed both positive and negative sides without being particularly judgemental. They could have been a LOT more negative had they wished.

    Just one point Peter; the bond that Imelda Marcos had was for 987 billion dollars (not 80 million). (So that's how the Philippines went from one of the richest to one of the poorest countries in Asia.)

    Also I couldn't help but notice how, when the Muslim teacher asked the question "How do we solve the problem?" she passed over the first child's answer "Stop the war." and chose to dwell on the answer of fighting for independance. As long as kids are being taught in this manner there is no point looking for a peaceful settlement. She says that she doesn't recommend fighting or war. She just plants the seeds of violence in the minds of the kids and watches them grow.

    She even admitted at the end that she would choose independance over peace. You have to agree with her though when she says that she cannot trust the people in power.

    The final words of the documentary were that the Philippines is one of the most beautiful regions in the world so I really do think that it was a well balanced programme.

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    I watched some documentary about Indonesia, vietnam, and Malaysia and it was lovely. That's why I have same expectations


    There is a better view of Palawan like the cave and Dos Palmas etc. They focused about how Badjao lives in dirty environment.

    There's better view of Banaue where you can see the entire beauty of Rice Terraces not the giant worms

    I have never been to North Cemetery and I felt shocked when I have seen my fellows living with the dead

    I reminisced the past when I have seen Imelda's collection of Arts When she mentioned about how her hubby loves gold, I remember year 70's when they were busy digging undergrounds for treasures left by the Japs and Spaniards

    Bohol is nice, perfect view really, but I feel sad when they mentioned that Tarsiers are almost gone because people hunted them in the wild

    Partly, it's involved our dirty politics. POWER


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    I watched "Explore" and I thought it was very well balanced and well presented. They presented the issues clearly and in as much depth as can be expected in a 1 hour program.

    I was fascinated by some of the stuff, like the people living in the cemetary and history of the rice terraces. It really was amazing! Other items saddened me, such as the Catholics' attitude to contraception and seeing what the Muslim children are taught in school.

    But overall, it's great to get the Philippines "on the map". Every country has its problems but a lot of the narrative was very complimentary. Hopefully it will encourage more tourists. Everyone I have ever taken to the Philippines has loved it!


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    Pete & Gina

    Do you see the respect you guys have on the forum? As soon as you give your honest thoughts on the program people seem to think differently about what they watched and that maybe it was not as negative a Documentary as was first thought......

    Is there anywhere i can watch it like bbc iplayer??


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eljohno View Post


    Is there anywhere i can watch it like bbc iplayer??

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...a_to_Mindanao/


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    Very well said Gavanddal, it will really put you off visiting that country because mostly of the negative aspects were shown on that documentary film.I know there are beautiful sites that needs to be known by people who has never been in the Phils.
    " The people who mean something to your life are not rated "the best" don't have the most money, haven't won the greatest prizes....
    They are the ones who care about you, take care of you, those who, no matter what, stay close by... "


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    The program was about a countries generic society, not about tourism, see the Travel channels for that.

    The folk on here from the UK saying they never showed the lovely places, how many are their? Have you been to them all? Have you visited all the bad places to make a good comparison? No is the answer .....and the overall view of the Philippines is not good...FACT, that is not to say some parts aren't good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs.JMajor View Post
    nice question kuku,from reading all the post above
    , massive reply was all against on the documentary show,for sure you are smart enough ,you will understand what they are all mean,and only 1 or 2 members are agree on the show,but being filipina, for sure you will always love your country,as i feel it to all the brit guy who posted that they are concern on the phil country as they're part of it being husband of a filipina

    For sure kapag nilait na bansa natin,ipagtatanggol natin,we will not agree and tell they did their job pretty good showing all the negatives of your country by telling it was fair damn right ,jesus

    so I am sure you have Idea of the documentary show the way they comment,yah??
    the point there is poverty is not only here in the Philippines.
    disgusting sites and places can be find anywhere else.you are right there
    "For sure if our country was humiliated we'll fight for it".......

    According to what I've read from the intelligent post of members here I didn't found it humiliated...it's just a matter of being documented proper and very sensible insights about Philippines.

    Quote Originally Posted by Win2Win View Post
    The program was about a countries generic society, not about tourism, see the Travel channels for that.

    The folk on here from the UK saying they never showed the lovely places, how many are their? Have you been to them all? Have you visited all the bad places to make a good comparison? No is the answer .....and the overall view of the Philippines is not good...FACT, that is not to say some parts aren't good.
    Sad but true...Mabuhay Philippines!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kukurokuk View Post
    "For sure if our country was humiliated we'll fight for it".......
    thanks for translating it

    thanks kuku


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    Is there any way that I can see this programme, living, as I do in the wild depths of Cebu?

    Al.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Is there any way that I can see this programme, living, as I do in the wild depths of Cebu?

    Al.
    Install a proxy and use iplayer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Is there any way that I can see this programme, living, as I do in the wild depths of Cebu?

    Al.
    Hey Prof, got it for you.
    Keep this link on your favorites, it's BBC iplayer, you can watch recorded shows and stuff.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...a_to_Mindanao/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Is there any way that I can see this programme, living, as I do in the wild depths of Cebu?

    Al.
    The programme is available for download via some BitTorrent websites.


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    Its nice to see so many replies from all of you about the documentary, I must say I am pleased to see so many differing viewpoints, thats what makes this forum so lively, the diversity of your opinions, thus showing only one thing about the Philippines.

    I think its this:

    The Philippines has something to offer for everyone, whatever you think, wherever you stay, whatever your experience is, you can't stop talking about it, but there is one thing none of us will escape, and that is WE SIMPLY LOVE THE COUNTRY, ITS PEOPLE AND ITS CULTURE.

    My wife Gina and I were sitting last night reading all of your replies, and discussing this subject, I said to Gina, "You know sweetheart, look at some of the people we meet when we are in country", "They are so happy, they smile, they chat, they greet you, the kids on the street come up and say hello, everyone seems to be happy, sometimes when I look at them, I think, is their an injection for that ?" "Can I get that from my GP?"

    No matter what the economic group or status is of individual's the one thing I notice so much about the people, is the ability to maintain their self respect in any given situation, what about the lady I was visiting, who lived in the Nippa Hut, who started to make me coffee !, when I gestured that it was ok, she simply insisted I sit down and drink coffee, and have something to eat"

    What about that kind of hospitality, that only you can get in the Philippines, and of course other countries, where hospitality is the key to the culture, whatever we say about the Philippines, it simply has so much going for it, yes, why are we drawn to it, as my wife does say, we have an invested interested do we not, naturally, for most of you, the love of your life comes from the Philippines, in truth, when we examine our motives, we really do want the best for the Philippines, and even we will defend it the best of our ability.

    Most of you will have been seasoned traveler's to the Philippines, your knowledge will be first class, and you will have seen most of what is on the documentary, it will come as no surprise to you, but maybe, when you really think about the documentary, you will start to realize, that its a mixture of all the facets of life in the Philippines that actually makes it so appealing.

    For example, contrast the poverty, the plight of the poor, the middle classes, the rich, the beautiful mountainous scenery, palm trees, clear blue waters, the weather, that goes from tornado to beautiful sunshine, the eco structure, the abundant wild life, and diversity of wildlife, the music, and yes finally the people, when you throw all these ingredients into one pot, you come up with what is now the Philippines, whatever you think about it, the fact is, you are drawn to it, and once its in your blood, as it was me some 5 years ago, it will never go out of your blood.

    Something keeps drawing you back for holiday's and ultimately to live there, maybe its the Place itself, it does that to you, by all of your comments, I can see
    you've made it yours.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ginapeterb View Post
    Its nice to see so many replies from all of you about the documentary, I must say I am pleased to see so many differing viewpoints, thats what makes this forum so lively, the diversity of your opinions, thus showing only one thing about the Philippines.

    I think its this:

    The Philippines has something to offer for everyone, whatever you think, wherever you stay, whatever your experience is, you can't stop talking about it, but there is one thing none of us will escape, and that is WE SIMPLY LOVE THE COUNTRY, ITS PEOPLE AND ITS CULTURE.

    My wife Gina and I were sitting last night reading all of your replies, and discussing this subject, I said to Gina, "You know sweetheart, look at some of the people we meet when we are in country", "They are so happy, they smile, they chat, they greet you, the kids on the street come up and say hello, everyone seems to be happy, sometimes when I look at them, I think, is their an injection for that ?" "Can I get that from my GP?"

    No matter what the economic group or status is of individual's the one thing I notice so much about the people, is the ability to maintain their self respect in any given situation, what about the lady I was visiting, who lived in the Nippa Hut, who started to make me coffee !, when I gestured that it was ok, she simply insisted I sit down and drink coffee, and have something to eat"

    What about that kind of hospitality, that only you can get in the Philippines, and of course other countries, where hospitality is the key to the culture, whatever we say about the Philippines, it simply has so much going for it, yes, why are we drawn to it, as my wife does say, we have an invested interested do we not, naturally, for most of you, the love of your life comes from the Philippines, in truth, when we examine our motives, we really do want the best for the Philippines, and even we will defend it the best of our ability.

    Most of you will have been seasoned traveler's to the Philippines, your knowledge will be first class, and you will have seen most of what is on the documentary, it will come as no surprise to you, but maybe, when you really think about the documentary, you will start to realize, that its a mixture of all the facets of life in the Philippines that actually makes it so appealing.

    For example, contrast the poverty, the plight of the poor, the middle classes, the rich, the beautiful mountainous scenery, palm trees, clear blue waters, the weather, that goes from tornado to beautiful sunshine, the eco structure, the abundant wild life, and diversity of wildlife, the music, and yes finally the people, when you throw all these ingredients into one pot, you come up with what is now the Philippines, whatever you think about it, the fact is, you are drawn to it, and once its in your blood, as it was me some 5 years ago, it will never go out of your blood.

    Something keeps drawing you back for holiday's and ultimately to live there, maybe its the Place itself, it does that to you, by all of your comments, I can see
    you've made it yours.
    well said...This is the fair one that i want to hear. Being a filipina "im proud reading this...


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    Quote Originally Posted by gemini63 View Post
    well said...This is the fair one that i want to hear. Being a filipina "im proud reading this...
    hehehe


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    to add me and all was quite surprise about those people living in cemetery.in here I have seen houses thats quite near to cemetery and i have told my other half i couldnt live near that place.but then I was gobsmacked knowing that there are people really living there and as well make a living out of the dead and when the woman being asked if she`s not scared seeing a ghost there and she said is a matter of seeing one (yeah,right!) I`ll be fainted seeing one for sure.but any road I am ranting about how greedy Imelda Marcu`s is I am quite surprise that she`s still around to be honest.wayback years of her husbands presidency you cannot measured the hatred of filipino towards them and I wonder if she could still sleep at night.How could she have all those unnnecessary things in life when in fact she couldnt take it with her when she die and a lot of people struugle to find their food in day to day lives.I have told my other half that i want to be a president so that I could provide home and job for the less fortunate people but in my dreams only I have to admit the fact that philippines never gonna change its condition if official itself are corrupt right from the very start.who can change our country and how?
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    Interstingly, most of my family & friends I got to watch the programme, only had negative things to say about the Philippines.

    It certainly didn't encourage them to want to visit.

    We're all biased here, the majority of us have first hand knowledge. We've seen the hardships & poverty, but we've seen it's beauties too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Daddy View Post
    to add me and all was quite surprise about those people living in cemetery.in here I have seen houses thats quite near to cemetery and i have told my other half i couldnt live near that place.but then I was gobsmacked knowing that there are people really living there and as well make a living out of the dead and when the woman being asked if she`s not scared seeing a ghost there and she said is a matter of seeing one (yeah,right!) I`ll be fainted seeing one for sure.but any road I am ranting about how greedy Imelda Marcu`s is I am quite surprise that she`s still around to be honest.wayback years of her husbands presidency you cannot measured the hatred of filipino towards them and I wonder if she could still sleep at night.How could she have all those unnnecessary things in life when in fact she couldnt take it with her when she die and a lot of people struugle to find their food in day to day lives.I have told my other half that i want to be a president so that I could provide home and job for the less fortunate people but in my dreams only I have to admit the fact that philippines never gonna change its condition if official itself are corrupt right from the very start.who can change our country and how?
    Living in the cemetery must be more widespread than you might think, there is a Cebu community too!!

    As to the five years deal the way I understand it is you go into the ground for five years and unless you have "bought" the plot permanently after five years your bones are moved to a small condo stack with a plaque which may contain several family members

    If you cant pay for that your bones go to a common "bone pile" culturally different for sure the thing that suprised me was the amount of rubbish in the cemetary which no-one seemed to notice or think strange
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    Quote Originally Posted by keithAngel View Post
    Living in the cemetery must be more widespread than you might think, there is a Cebu community too!!

    As to the five years deal the way I understand it is you go into the ground for five years and unless you have "bought" the plot permanently after five years your bones are moved to a small condo stack with a plaque which may contain several family members

    If you cant pay for that your bones go to a common "bone pile" culturally different for sure the thing that suprised me was the amount of rubbish in the cemetary which no-one seemed to notice or think strange
    As far as I know, you can buy a plot and that will will be permanently yours. If you cannot afford to buy a plot, you can rent a cubicle, or apartment to local gov't. But if don't pay in due time, then you are out

    In the cemetery, you will find out who's dead was poor, middle class and rich


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    Strange, but in last weeks Time magazine they had a page on Manilla, comparing it to the way it was in the 60's........nothing has changed according to the comparison.....except.....folk now live in cemetries!
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    ...and that 5 years before they ship you out of the crypt if you haven't paid (bit difficult if your dead!!)....surely that goes against everything the religion out there is about. Desecrating a grave over money!
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    I have seen a lot like this on British television. Sometimes they show prisons and life inside. Why is British television likes to show all these to British people? But you will not see a bad side of Britain being shown on Philippine television.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nparvus1202 View Post
    I have seen a lot like this on British television. Sometimes they show prisons and life inside. Why is British television likes to show all these to British people? But you will not see a bad side of Britain being shown on Philippine television.
    I take it they don't show Eastenders in the Philippines then! :-)


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    they get midsomer murders there

    my wife doesnt want to live in the country due to the high murder rate

    can i ask when poverty is so bad there? why do think tv shows or the media should only show the nice clean places because when you get round the corner the street is full of squatters.

    near las pinas theres a expensive mall,on one side of the street there a very high wall with guards i guess to keep the poor out the other side of the street where the poor live in there shacks

    so do you just wanna see about the rich and the nice places to get to them you have to pass the poor?


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