He Is Dead

[joebloggs]

Has not worked for me so far!!!!

your doing alright toks

but thats thru studying and hard work , while most other people are sat on their watching tv and moaning about things, like having no money

god or no god. god only knows

[keithAngel]

Look can we get back on topic please Soap

[Piamed]

your doing alright toks

but thats thru studying and hard work , while most other people are sat on their watching tv and moaning about things, like having no money

god or no god. god only knows

Haha!! Got Marikit here by my side watching me type with one finger. I thought being able to say, "look at me I can type with one finger was impressive". She does not look impressed.

Look can we get back on topic please Soap

[Sconnie]

Look can we get back on topic please Soap

"Confused ?? You will be"

[KeithD]

Has not worked for me so far!!!!

That's because your a follower, and not on top of the pyramid (scheme)

Atheists have belief, they believe in no God, but that belief is not encompassed by a religion.

[Piamed]

That's because your a follower, and not on top of the pyramid (scheme)

Atheists have belief, they believe in no God, but that belief is not encompassed by a religion.

Reminds me of two guys talking:
1st guy:You're always the leader; I want to be a leader
2nd guy: Ok then
1st: I'm a leader!! Really? Really? I'm a leader?
2nd guy: Yeah sure
1st guy: Ok, what shall we do?

[keithAngel]

reminds me of two guys talking:
1st guy:you're always the leader; i want to be a leader
2nd guy: Ok then
1st: I'm a leader!! Really? Really? I'm a leader?
2nd guy: Yeah sure
1st guy: Ok, what shall we do?

[Mrs.JMajor]

Where's Aposhark???????...Has he been struck down by lightning?

He is busy preparing ..going to PI, to fetch the wife (Rochelyn)

[Sconnie]

We're on to cakes now ? thought we were talking soap.

I like Vanessa's home made rice cake.

[keithAngel]

Last word gambit

[somebody]

Last word gambit

Irish or Halloween?

Blimey now Chess has entered the thread

[JudyHon]

Friedrich Nietzsche

'God is Dead'

But did he believe in an afterlife...

[Bluebirdjones]

also said ...

"is man one of God's blunders or is God
one of man's blunders ?"



Essays (of at least 2,000 words) on the above to
be handed in by first thing Monday morning.

[KeithD]

On the 6th day God created woman.........and the next day ear plugs

[Piamed]

On the 6th day God created woman.........and the next day ear plugs

I totally disassociate myself from your comments; I want to sleep with both eyes closed tonight

[Sconnie]

i totally disassociate myself from your comments; i want to sleep with both eyes closed tonight

sleep ??????

[Sophie]

On the 6th day God created woman.........and the next day ear plugs

On the 8th day, loud speaker with sorround sound

[Mrs.JMajor]

welcome back Mike,nice to see you back Am i right,youre flying to PI on sunday..is it ?

[aposhark]

welcome back Mike,nice to see you back Am i right,youre flying to PI on sunday..is it ?

Yes dear.

I blame you Filipinas for being so attractive in every way.

Us British men are getting financially poorer by the day, but wealthier in spirit because of our ladies from those 7,000+ islands.............

As a Pink Floyd lyric included:

"One slip, and down the hole we fall
It seems to take no time at all
A momentary lapse of reason
That binds a life for life
A small regret, you won't forget,
There'll be no sleep in here tonight"

[Jay&Zobel]

I don’t think God has to prove his existence when everything around us points to something greater than just microscopic lego bricks. When you look in the mirror, or at your wife or your child look at the minor details of there very existence from the physical to the happiness they give you. But in just that, you can see there is so much more than just skin, bone & cells. There is life and in all life you can see the handy work of God.

It makes me happy to know there is more out there than just nothing. Because this life would be pointless if there was nothing more after it. The point of existing, the point of mans survival. The reasons we love, the reasons we work, the reason we live. It seems Pointless without there being something greater.

I’m just posting on here because I find your conversation interesting. Your worth more than you give yourselves credit for, and don’t underestimate your very existence.

Just so you don’t confuse God and Religion. God didn’t make religion man did. And what you may have been taught, may have been man’s ideals not God’s.

This debate could go on forever.
But we wont be here to find that out.
But we will find out if God exists or not when we Die.

If He doesn’t, then we just become dust and decay. But if He Does and we don’t believe than that’s a whole different story.

But that’s why we have the freedom to choose.

Blessings

Jay

[keithAngel]

Just so you don’t confuse God and Religion. God didn’t make religion man did. And what you may have been taught, may have been man’s ideals not God’s.

This debate could go on forever.
But we wont be here to find that out.
But we will find out if God exists or not when we Die.

If He doesn’t, then we just become dust and decay. But if He Does and we don’t believe than that’s a whole different story.

But that’s why we have the freedom to choose.

Blessings

Jay

Im sure if God exists he believes in me

[KeithD]

Im sure if God exists he believes in me

With a name like KEITH, I'm sure he does

[keithAngel]

With a name like KEITH, I'm sure he does

While your here on the question of soap??

[KeithD]

It is a complete waste of time arguing over whether God exists or not, as we have no scientific proof either way.

The balance of probabilities are massively in favour of it being a 'Does not exist', but nevertheless not one shred of evidence either way.

And as I said, a believer in God holds a belief, a person who believes in no God, holds a belief. So both are believers.

[aromulus]

It is a complete waste of time arguing over whether God exists or not, as we have no scientific proof either way.

The balance of probabilities are massively in favour of it being a 'Does not exist', but nevertheless not one shred of evidence either way.

And as I said, a believer in God holds a belief, a person who believes in no God, holds a belief. So both are believers.

Amen to that...............

[JudyHon]

It is a complete waste of time arguing over whether God exists or not, as we have no scientific proof either way.

The balance of probabilities are massively in favour of it being a 'Does not exist', but nevertheless not one shred of evidence either way.

And as I said, a believer in God holds a belief, a person who believes in no God, holds a belief. So both are believers.

I'm still rooting for the Flying Spaghetti Monster. He/She/It/They talks to me and tells me I mustn't pay my council tax or ever put the toilet seat down or I will be doomed to Spaghetti-Hell.

Hold on... Think that's the bailiffs at the door.

Hope Judy doesn't see this...

[Piamed]

Some have suggested that historical data is unreliable, saying 2000 years is a long time. 2000 years is a long time, yet we don’t question the historical evidence of several other ancient personalities:

Cleopatra 69-30 BC
Julius Caesar 100-44 BC
Alexander the Great 356-323 BC
Aristotle 384-322 BC
Socrates 469-399 BC
Confucius 551-479 BC
The effect Jesus had on the world greatly surpasses that of anyone else in history.

Some try to argue that if Jesus ever existed then there would be much more historicl data, writings, etc. AS you may know, most records in the day were Roman or Greek. Jesus never addressed the Senate, he was margininalised and criminalised and received the most demeaning and vile punishment - crucifixtion. Jesus never travelled much also.

Significant historical data exists over Jesus' existence. Of course written by observers of the day. THIs is an attempt to highlight some proof Jesus existed. Can anyone provide at least even a tiny amount of proof that Jesus never existed? It will never happen as the naysayers cannot provide any data to support any of their attacks. All they can say is, "it was a long time ago and I don't think it's reliable". Yet they accept more scant evidence about people with less historical impact from an age long beore Jesus.

[KeithD]

The effect Jesus had on the world greatly surpasses that of anyone else in history.

Where is the proof?

[Piamed]

Where is the proof?

Jesus Christ, is the central figure of Christianity and is revered by most Christian churches as the Son of God and the incarnation of God. Islam considers Jesus a prophet, and he is an important figure in several other religions.

Scholars have used the historical method to develop probable reconstructions of Jesus' life. A great majority of biblical scholars and historians accept the historical existence of Jesus.

Historians generally describe Jesus as a healer who preached the restoration of God's kingdom. Most historians agree he was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified by the Romans. Jewish and Roman authorities in Jerusalem were wary of Galilean patriots, many of whom advocated or launched violent resistance to Roman rule. Jesus, a charismatic leader regarded as a potential troublemaker, was executed on political charges.

Some Proof sources of Jesus' existence follow. Where are the proof sources He did not exist?

D. A. Carson, Douglas J. Moo and Leon Morris. An Introduction to the New Testament. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House, 1992, 54, 56
^ Michael Grant, Jesus: An Historian's Review of the Gospels, Scribner's, 1977, p. 71; John P. Meier, A Marginal Jew, Doubleday, 1991–, vol. 1:214; E. P. Sanders, The Historical Figure of Jesus, Penguin Books, 1993, pp. 10–11, and Ben Witherington III, "Primary Sources," Christian History 17 (1998) No. 3:12–20.
^ a b Funk, Robert W. and the Jesus Seminar. The acts of Jesus: the search for the authentic deeds of Jesus. HarperSanFrancisco. 1998. Introduction, pp. 1–40
^ Amy-Jill Levine, The Oxford History of the Biblical World, New York, Oxford University Press, 1999, p. 371, Chapter 10: Visions of Kingdoms: From Pompey to the First Jewish Revolt (63 BCE – 70 CE), M. Coogan et al. (eds.)
^ a b c d Funk, Robert W., Roy W. Hoover, and the Jesus Seminar. The five gospels. HarperSanFrancisco. 1993. "Introduction," p. 1–30.
^ a b c Harris, Stephen L., Understanding the Bible. Palo Alto: Mayfield. 1985. "The Historical Jesus" pp. 255–260
^ a b c d e Crossan, John Dominic. The essential Jesus. Edison: Castle Books. 1998.
^ Examples of authors who argue the Jesus myth hypothesis: Thomas L. Thompson The Messiah Myth: The Near Eastern Roots of Jesus and David (Jonathan Cape, Publisher, 2006); Michael Martin, The Case Against Christianity (Philadelphia: Temple University Press, 1991), 36–72; John Mackinnon Robertson
^ Raymond E. Brown, The Death of the Messiah: From Gethsemane to the Grave (New York: Doubleday, Anchor Bible Reference Library 1994), p. 964; D. A. Carson, et al., pp. 50–56; Shaye J.D. Cohen, From the Maccabees to the Mishnah, Westminster Press, 1987, pp. 78, 93, 105, 108; John Dominic Crossan, The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant, HarperCollins, 1991, pp. xi – xiii; Michael Grant, pp. 34–35, 78, 166, 200; Paula Fredriksen, Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews, Alfred B. Knopf, 1999, pp. 6–7, 105–110, 232–234, 266; John P. Meier, vol. 1:68, 146, 199, 278, 386, 2:726; E.P. Sanders, pp. 12–13; Geza Vermes, Jesus the Jew (Philadelphia: Fortress Press 1973), p. 37.; Paul L. Maier, In the Fullness of Time, Kregel, 1991, pp. 1, 99, 121, 171; N. T. Wright, The Meaning of Jesus: Two Visions, HarperCollins, 1998, pp. 32, 83, 100–102, 222; Ben Witherington III, pp. 12–20.
^ Though many historians may have certain reservations about the use of the Gospels for writing history, "even the most hesitant, however, will concede that we are probably on safe historical footing" concerning certain basic facts about the life of Jesus; Jo Ann H. Moran Cruz and Richard Gerberding, Medieval Worlds: An Introduction to European History Houghton Mifflin Company 2004, pp. 44–45.
^ Irving, Amy-Jill (1999). "The Oxford History of the Biblical World". written at New York. Oxford University Press. 370–371; Chapter 10: Visions of Kingdoms: From Pompey to the First Jewish Revolt (63 BCE – 70 CE). http://books.google.ca/books?id=zFhv...sult#PPA370,M1.
^ For instance Raymond E. Brown in The Birth of the Messiah (ISBN 0-385-05405-X), p. 9
^ Friedmann, Robert (1953). "Antitrinitarianism". Global Anabaptist Mennonite Encyclopedia Online. Global Anabaptist Mennonite Encyclopedia Online. http://www.gameo.org/encyclopedia/contents/A597.html. Retrieved on 2008-06-08.
^ James Leslie Houlden, "Jesus: The Complete Guide", Continuum International Publishing Group, 2005, ISBN 082648011X
^ Prof. Dr. Şaban Ali Düzgün, "Uncovering Islam: Questions and Answers about Islamic Beliefs and Teachings", Ankara: The Presidency of Religious Affairs Publishing, 2004
^ Compendium of Muslim Texts
^ Notes to the New International Version Study Bible 2008, p. 288. ISBN 9780310939184
^ per The Catholic Encyclopedia[1]
^ Edwin D. Freed, Stories of Jesus' Birth, (Continuum International, 2004), page 119.
^ Geza Vermes, The Nativity: History and Legend, London, Penguin, 2006, page 22.
^ James D. G. Dunn, Jesus Remembered, Eerdmans Publishing (2003), page 324.
^ Cumont, Franz, The Mysteries of Mithra (1956) pp. 1-2
^ Martin A. Larson, The Story of Christian Origins (1977), p. 186-9.
^ Cumont, Franz, The Mysteries of Mithra (1956) p. 167
^ Howard Clarke, The Gospel of Matthew and its readers, Indiana University Press, p. 13
^ Luke states that John's ministry began in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, and Herod was tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip was tetrarch of the region of Iturea and Trachonitis, and Lysanias was tetrarch of Abilene, during the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas.
^ Theissen, Gerd; Merz, Annette (1998), The historical Jesus : a comprehensive guide, Minneapolis: Fortress Press, pp. 64–72, ISBN 0800631226, http://books.google.com/books?id=3ZU...fox-a#PPA64,M1
^ Green, Joel B. (1997), The Gospel of Luke : new international commentary on the New Testament, Grand Rapids, Mich.: W.B. Eerdmans Pub. Co., pp. 168, ISBN 0802823157, http://books.google.com/books?id=koY...ox-a#PPA168,M1
^ ""What the Old Testament Prophesied About the Messiah"". http://Christianity.com/Christian%20...esus/11541169/. Retrieved on 2007-10-11.
^ "synoptic". Oxford English Dictionary. Oxford University Press. 2nd ed. 1989.
^ a b c d e f g h i j Harris, Stephen L., Understanding the Bible. Palo Alto: Mayfield. 1985.
^ a b c d Ehrman, Bart D. Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why. HarperCollins, 2005. ISBN 978-0-06-073817-4
^ Durant, Will. Caesar and Christ. New York: Simon and Schuster. 1972
^ a b c d e f g h Harris, Stephen L., Understanding the Bible. Palo Alto: Mayfield. 1985. "John" pp. 302–310
^ Matthew 1:1–17
^ Luke 3:23–38
^ Joseph A. Fitzmyer, The Gospel According to Luke I–IX. Anchor Bible. Garden City: Doubleday, 1981, pp. 499–500; I. Howard Marshall, The Gospel of Luke (The New International Greek Testament Commentary). Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1978, p. 158;
^ Bienert, Wolfgang E. (2003). [9780664227210 "The Relatives of Jesus"]. in Wilhelm Schneemelcher, Robert McLachlan Wilson. New Testament Apocrypha: Gospels and Related Writings. Westminster John Knox Press. p. 487. 9780664227210.
^ Howard W. Clarke, The Gospel of Matthew and Its Readers, Indiana University Press, 2003, p. 1
^ Matthew 13:55–56, Mark 6:3, and Galatians 1:19
^ The Greek word adelphos in these verses, often translated as brother, can refer to any familial relation, and most Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians translate the word as kinsman, brethren, or cousin in this context (see Perpetual virginity of Mary).
^ a b c d Harris, Stephen L., Understanding the Bible. Palo Alto: Mayfield. 1985. "Matthew" pp. 272–285
^ For Egypt: Matthew 2:13–23; For Tyre and sometimes Sidon:Matthew 15:21–28 and Mark 7:24–3
^ Early Christian accounts reflect some perplexity at Jesus being baptized, especially by a subordinate figure. See "Baptism of Christ". Cross, F. L., ed. The Oxford dictionary of the Christian church. New York: Oxford University Press. 2005
^ "John, Gospel of." Cross, F. L., ed. The Oxford dictionary of the Christian church. New York: Oxford University Press. 2005
^ "John, Gospel of St." Cross, F. L., ed. The Oxford dictionary of the Christian church. New York: Oxford University Press. 2005
^ Mark 10:45
^ Luke 4:43
^ John 20:31.
^ Meier 1991 vol. 1:405
^ a b c Introduction. Funk, Robert W., Roy W. Hoover, and the Jesus Seminar. The five gospels. HarperSanFrancisco. 1993.
^ "The Thompson Chain-Reference Study Bible NIV", published December 1999, B.B. Kirkbride Bible Co., Inc.; William Adler & Paul Tuffin, "The Chronography of George Synkellos: A Byzantine Chronicle of Universal History from the Creation", Oxford University Press (2002), p. 466
^ a b c d e f Funk, Robert W. and the Jesus Seminar. The acts of Jesus: the search for the authentic deeds of Jesus. HarperSanFrancisco. 1998.
^ Luke 14:26, Matthew 10:37. Luke contains a harsher version than the saying in Matthew, as does Thomas. Funk, Robert W., Roy W. Hoover, and the Jesus Seminar. The five gospels. HarperSanFrancisco. 1993. p. 353

[JudyHon]

Jesus Christ, is the central figure of Christianity and is revered by most Christian churches as the Son of God and the incarnation of God. Islam considers Jesus a prophet, and he is an important figure in several other religions.

Could you please explain (briefly) to the billions of followers of Islam and other religions why they are all wrong and you are right? You can't all be right. I suspect they could come up with long lists too.

And how likely is it that you would reach the same conclusion if you were born and grew up in Peshawar?

On a lighter note, I hear there is $1,000,000 reward for anyone who can provide empirical proof that Jesus was not the son of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It has yet to be claimed!

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster http://www.venganza.org/ Most amusing.