PAST, PRESENT and the FUTURE...

[trader dave]

the education system is corrupt like most things there you can buy yourself a degree

its nice being educated in the philippines if you are fortunate enough to have a family who can send you they might also have put money under the table so you can get that degree

there are many very clever people in the phils who have never had the chance to go to school and many are far from stupid but when you cant get a job in a particular place because you are a catholic AND THEY ONLY EMPLOY PROTESTENTS thats when you relise that perhaps we do have some good things in the uk

[Florge]

Reminds me of the Cambridge Neuropsychopharmacogenetics degree I bought in Bangkok

And you're suppose to do what?

[Tawi2]

I dont have a degree florge,never went to uni,my dad only had 2 jobs in his entire life 18 years at sea and 20 years in the prison service,when I said I wanted to go to Uni he said "Dont be stupid,get a real job" I live in a nice area,very nice actually,most of my neighbours are intellectuals,whenever I go to BBQ's I hate saying I didnt go to Uni,so I was in Bangkok once and saw a shop that sold "Genuine" degrees,I asked for one from Cambridge and I made up the neuropsychopharmacogeneticist subject,nowadays when I am at a BBQ and someone asked what did I study I just casually throw in "Neuropsychopharmacogenetics" Instead of saying "What the f*cks that??????"and appearing stupid they normally say "Oh,interesting" and change the topic of conversation
Daves right,you can buy degrees in pinas,or your families influence and power can get you one

[Jay&Zobel]

I dont have a degree florge,never went to uni,my dad only had 2 jobs in his entire life 18 years at sea and 20 years in the prison service,when I said I wanted to go to Uni he said "Dont be stupid,get a real job" I live in a nice area,very nice actually,most of my neighbours are intellectuals,whenever I go to BBQ's I hate saying I didnt go to Uni,so I was in Bangkok once and saw a shop that sold "Genuine" degrees,I asked for one from Cambridge and I made up the neuropsychopharmacogeneticist subject,nowadays when I am at a BBQ and someone asked what did I study I just casually throw in "Neuropsychopharmacogenetics" Instead of saying "What the f*cks that??????"and appearing stupid they normally say "Oh,interesting" and change the topic of conversation
Daves right,you can buy degrees in pinas,or your families influence and power can get you one

we never know, someday it will be a REAL DEGREE in uni hahahah... well done!

[Tawi2]

I havent done so badly for someone with no formal education Sometimes the best school is the uni of hard knocks

[cheesewiz]

I totally disagree with you on this. Just because two things have the same name, it doesn't mean they are equivalent. You need to look at what the course actually involved and compare that to similar UK courses to work out the value of the qualification.

I am 100% agree.

In Phils, one example is, a newly graduate with flying honours applying for a job that this person is so confident that he/she will get the job bec of academic achievement. Then another candidate applying for the same job got the same degree with no honours just bec she is a graduate from reputable universities/college let say La Salle or Ateneo, who do you think who will get the job? No doubt that its either of the two reputable school and this poor person who are more qualified sad to say will never get a job.

So, even in Phils, DEGREE becomes very important it depends where you get it in a reputable Universities, no wonder many DEGREES in Phils that never recognized in UK.

Aside from that I believe that education system in the Phils nowadays are very poor bec I think only in the Phils that so many private schools even a small house can be called a school and its more on business than actually an institution to mould children to have a good education for their future.

[trader dave]

YOU CANT GET BETTER THAN THE UNIVERSITY OF LIFE --real life

[Tawi2]

Got to endorse that dave.One word for you cheese,nepotism,pinas is infamous for it,if your from a small no reputation uni,against a graduate from Ataneo or silliman,but your family know the interviewer......................

[Sophie]

I Daves right,you can buy degrees in pinas

You can buy degrees in pinas via the fake diplomas in recto avenue but there is no way you can LAND A JOB NOR KEEP ONE using the fake degree that you bought. It's just not possible, after all, its your performance on the job that would count. If you did not study the degree you are claiming to have had, there's no way you can perform and accomplish the task and the work assigned to you. So its true you can buy degrees in the philippines, but you won't get away with it and it won't take you anywhere, not to any viable job or career, neither a spot in the corporate world. So for most people there, buying a degree is never an option. You enroll in one and get a rightful degree.

[Tawi2]

Sophie,its been documented both in the press and on TV here where certain individuals have bought foreign degrees and worked in their profession right here in the UK for quite some time,I certainly remember asian and african fraudulent doctors and others Maybe thats why asian degrees are viewed with suspicion here

[Sophie]

Sophie,its been documented both in the press and on TV here where certain individuals have bought foreign degrees and worked in their profession right here in the UK for quite some time,I certainly remember asian and african fraudulent doctors and others Maybe thats why asian degrees are viewed with suspicion here

yeah, i heard about that too, these people must be really clever and naturally intelligent to pull it off and actually trick a lot of professional people and even experts at that. I think these are the what we normally refer to as "JACK OF ALL TRADES, MASTER OF NONE" But was there a reported case already about a filipino who pulled it off here in the uk by maybe posing as a doctor with a fake degree?

[cheesewiz]

oh yeah 100% you can buy a DEGREE in Phils. I have a Pinoy workmate last year whose also a senior carer (he's a puff) in his CV he said he is a Nursing graduate in Phils but he got a Business Degree (Management). He is very open about it (I mean in filipino gatherings). He get that from Recto in Manila for only 1000 pesos He paid the agency around £2500 to get a job here. He is a good worker no doubt about it fortunately he's in New Zealand now doing the same job. Bless him.

[Tawi2]

Theres more of it going on than anyone imagines,lots of people pull it off for years Cheese,your my hero,if I could buy your character in a bottle I would stock my cupboards full to brimming,that line was absolutely classic ........................He's a puff

[trader dave]

it does go on here as we have seen dodgy degrees from other countries

the education system and the class system in the philippines realy does make my blood boil sometimes

ok here we still have maybe a class system but the philippine class system well what can i say not to much because it upsets those who have been fortunate enough to have been educated

[kimmi]

Psychology???????
So you have no problem with your hubby's behaviour.

I am thankful I took about 28 units of Psychology and applied to my hubby's mood.

Wish you finish your course soon here Kimmi so we can call you a real Mam

hi Ate Penny,

I really dont have any problem with hubby's behaviour it's just sometimes our persoanlity clashes because I am more of Melancholy and he's a Sanguine type..

btw, thanks for the wishes..I hope so I do really finish my course in here

[adam&chryss]

Same here adam&chryss.... My previous job was a Sales/Documentation/QC Manager (i do everything in import/export).... for a French Company based in Philippines for nine years. (free transportation, twice a year travel to China, Hongkong, Thai to attend exhibits) and five more years experiencein the same field from another company... My first job here in England was Kitchen Assistant in Nursing Home, hard job yeah,,,, But i did get my self into course..... I applied for a Office receptionist but the boss offered me a better position with a better pay

That's the only thing i love about being a Marketing/Documentation Manager... Attending exhibits Everything's free. Transportation, nice and good Hotel to stay in, allowance and meals in an expensive restaurants with clients. Plus sneeking out to bars and discos at night
well, I do hope I can find a job easily, when Isaac is older to go to school. No matter what job it is as long as it's decent.

I guess your boss saw your potentials giving you a better position That's what filipinas are, can work anywhere and any kind of job.

[Arthur Little]

Reminds me of the Cambridge Neuropsychopharmacogenetics degree I bought in Bangkok

Well why ever not? After all you can buy a PEERAGE here in the UK! Whatever turns you on, I suppose ...:lol2:

[somebody]

Happy Birthday Adam& Chryss..but like what Zobel asked who's who?




When I was in the Philippines Ive worked as a

- Guidance Counselor and Psychology Prof
- Part- time Pre- School teacher
- Tutorials (one of my sidelines)
- Casino Dealer

Ive got a degree in Bachelor of Science in Psychology and Masteral in SPED.

now I am working here in the UK as a wife, a restaurant staff, a volunteer playgroup/classroom assistant,a trainee in the Post office here in our village and studying in OU..and I am just taking these jobs as experiences and as stepping stone to a career that I know sooner or later I'll be qualified also when I married my hubby and moved here in the UK I know that decision comes with a sacrifice ..

for all those Job Hunters wife, just dont give up..it doesn't matter if at the moment u cant find the JOB that is right with the degree that u finished in our country what matters is U LOVE ur JOB and u ENJOY doing it..

and we the current situation of the economy right now, we must feel lucky if we've got jobs, Ive just heard on the news this morning that BT Communications are going to lay off 15thou jobs..

Wow just a tad busy then

At the moment getting into the Job market is more important it seems than what actual postion. Many British people are having to reevaluate what Jobs they go after at the moment.

[Tish]

Well why ever not? After all you can buy a PEERAGE here in the UK! Whatever turns you on, I suppose ...:lol2:

What's a PEERAGE?

Tish

[Tish]

I totally disagree with you on this. Just because two things have the same name, it doesn't mean they are equivalent. You need to look at what the course actually involved and compare that to similar UK courses to work out the value of the qualification.

I'm with you on this darren-b

Tish

[Arthur Little]

[QUOTE=cheesewiz;136189] (he's a puff)

What's being a POOF got to do with it ... ? ... unless he's a cleaner in a gents' toilet!

[Tawi2]

I think that line was a classic Arthur,I think she is referring to the fact that a lot of Pinoy male nursing graduates are homosexual,not all,but certainly a higher proportion than would say go into nautical professions or engineering
Here you are Tish........http://www.selecttitles.co.uk/epages/es112381.sf

[Tish]

I think that line was a classic Arthur,I think she is referring to the fact that a lot of Pinoy male nursing graduates are homosexual,not all,but certainly a higher proportion than would say go into nautical professions or engineering
Here you are Tish........http://www.selecttitles.co.uk/epages/es112381.sf

Oh I see. So this is what PEERAGE is all about

Better try and see if I could become a Lady of the Manor, but then again, I'm already one in my own home of course

I can be anything I want to be in my own home

Tish

[joebloggs]

I'm with you on this darren-b

Tish

for a degree being a degree,

in some countries you can get a 'degree' in 2 years, that's why NARIC might say its only equivalent to a HNC/HND.

there are many fake unis/colleges in the UK giving out worthless bits of paper as certificates.

my misses has just been on a 10 day medical course taught by Indian consultants who work for the NHS, after finishing the course, she told me some of what she was taught by her profs back in Laguna was

the misses has not given up being a doc in the UK, just one exam to go, it's taken 4yrs to get this far. she's not giving up

[Tish]

for a degree being a degree,

in some countries you can get a 'degree' in 2 years, that's why NARIC might say its only equivalent to a HNC/HND.

True. And even if nursing degree were accepted here, transitional period still have to be implemented, so nurses will have to work in the same standard of practice.

there are many fake unis/colleges in the UK giving out worthless bits of paper as certificates.

Oh yeah. It's advertised everywhere on the net!

my misses has just been on a 10 day medical course taught by Indian consultants who work for the NHS, after finishing the course, she told me some of what she was taught by her profs back in Laguna was

the misses has not given up being a doc in the UK, just one exam to go, it's taken 4yrs to get this far. she's not giving up

That's so good of her Joebloggs. I salute her on that. I know how hard it is to study and work at the same time whilst being a Mom, Wife, Lover and so on

Tish

[Arthur Little]

What's a PEERAGE?

Tish

Traditionally, it's a [peculiarly British] title [usually] inherited by someone of "noble" (member of the aristocracy) rank and/or birth. Nowadays, however, it can be - and often is -bestowed on an [otherwise ordinary] individual e.g. a statesman/woman, business person, etc., in recognition of some meritorious service he or she has performed on behalf of his/her country.

Oh dear! ... I do hope my explanation doesn't appear too "heavy" or complicated, Tish.

[joebloggs]

That's so good of her Joebloggs. I salute her on that. I know how hard it is to study and work at the same time whilst being a Mom, Wife, Lover and so on

Tish

she's studying now(while watching tv), its hard when you've been studying for like the last 20yrs, to get motivated, but so near now, no matter how difficult the BMA make it for IMG's, she will be a rare sight, a filipina doc in the uk

good luck to all the others, just don't quit, some times you have to go one step back to go 2 forward .

2wks on Friday is her exam, so a months time i hope she can start applying for jobs , if not she will be taking it again

yes she's a mom to a 2 1/2yr old and a 9yr old, and of course a wife, also works 20+ hrs a week and studying when she can, not much time for the other thing you mentioned .........

where me tea

[David House]

I totally disagree with you on this. Just because two things have the same name, it doesn't mean they are equivalent. You need to look at what the course actually involved and compare that to similar UK courses to work out the value of the qualification.

I have to agree with you Darren. Many degrees in the Philippines are a farce. The system is so corrupt that students can pay off their tutors for course work not done. The "universities" pass many who know very little simply to maintain a good record. You must remember that the motivation of these institutions is to make money. They thrive on high drop out rates, high student to teacher ratios and as low a standard to actual education as they can get away with. I have some recent personal experience as my wife attended the University of Cebu for the last semester and I was appalled at what she was taught for her degree course. It would struggle to meet GCSE standards here. She did a Btec in the UK in the years before and agrees that that course was much more demanding.
That is not to say ALL degrees in the Philippines are like that. Some from the major institutions will match the best but no-one should claim a "degree is a degree" because all the evidence says that is untrue. I know many arriving Filipinos expect that their qualifications will be of great benefit and feel cheated when the UK employers don't recognise them but their anger needs to be re-directed at the education system in the Philippines which requires a total overhaul and the implication of new and strictly enforced national standards both of teaching and examinations.

[Tish]

[QUOTE=joebloggs;136224]she's studying now(while watching tv), its hard when you've been studying for like the last 20yrs, to get motivated, but so near now, no matter how difficult the BMA make it for IMG's, she will be a rare sight, a filipina doc in the uk

good luck to all the others, just don't quit, some times you have to go one step back to go 2 forward .

2wks on Friday is her exam, so a months time i hope she can start applying for jobs , if not she will be taking it again

yes she's a mom to a 2 1/2yr old and a 9yr old, and of course a wife, also works 20+ hrs a week and studying when she can, not much time for the other thing you mentioned .........

where me tea

Oh yeah, a filipina doc in the uk, that would be awesome! Better introduce me to the missis then Joebloggs, so I can tell people that there is a filipina I know who will be a doc soon

One thing I would like to say to the missis though (if she don't mind), is that she must never feel guilty about anything. I remember when I was studying at Salford Uni (not far from you Mod) I just can't seem to stop feeling guilty about everything from leaving the children and not spending enough time with them to neglecting my husband and the list goes on and on

Tish

[Tish]

Traditionally, it's a [peculiarly British] title [usually] inherited by someone of "noble" (member of the aristocracy) rank and/or birth. Nowadays, however, it can be - and often is -bestowed on an [otherwise ordinary] individual e.g. a statesman/woman, business person, etc., in recognition of some meritorious service he or she has performed on behalf of his/her country.

Oh dear! ... I do hope my explanation doesn't appear too "heavy" or complicated, Tish.

Not too "heavy" at all Arthur Little. And thank you for explaining it in details. I love learning new things everyday

Tish