" The people who mean something to your life are not rated "the best" don't have the most money, haven't won the greatest prizes....
They are the ones who care about you, take care of you, those who, no matter what, stay close by... "
To equate abortion with "murder" makes no sense to those who cannot accept that a "baby" exists the moment a sperm fertilises an egg! Whilst the potential for that fertilised egg to become a baby does exist, it clearly does not yet and does not until it becomes capable of an independent life. Whilst dependent upon the mother it is part of her and if a danger to her then it must be her decision, not ours or anyone elses, as to the action she takes. No religious organisation has the right to impose their views on this subject and any advice given should be practical and not based upon personal conviction. Personal views can direct personal actions, but must not be allowed to influence others.
I have known women, who have no strong religious convictions, to suffer huge emotional difficulties after having an abortion so I understand that such a step must be a terrible one to contemplate. Please don't make it worse by adding all the guilt associated with holding a personal pro-life viewpoint.
and now the pro life,pro church reply?
i have learnt to do what my wife says!
" The people who mean something to your life are not rated "the best" don't have the most money, haven't won the greatest prizes....
They are the ones who care about you, take care of you, those who, no matter what, stay close by... "
Honestly am torn between two beliefs
to loved and beloved is the greatest joy on earth...
"10% of life is made up of what happens to you, 90% is decided by how you react"
"The way to love anything is to realize that it may be lost"
capable of independent life, how many weeks is that ? normally 38wks !!
are you trying to tell me that a baby born premature at 32wks is not a baby or has no right to a life, or one born at 23wks which relies on the skills of medical staff to keep it a live is not a baby ???
i would have thought most babies aborted are not a danger to the mother, more like the mother is the danger to the baby(over 200,000 abortions last year in the uk) . I don't think anyone is against abortion when there is a danger to them mother. Abortions over 24 weeks are only allowed in exceptional circumstances, if there is a substantial risk the child would be born with serious handicap or the mother's life was in danger.so past 24wks the woman doesn't have a choice. why that then ??
a living baby is not alive until a baby can take its first breathe by it self!
and why do we all get so moral over life?
we are all part of the worlds evolution?
i have learnt to do what my wife says!
[QUOTE=Florge;136367]yes florge it is a thread about abortion
You asked me to explain what i meant about the different levels
and i did its one of my pet hates those who have and those who have not in the philippines and how some just forget where they came from and like to showoff oooo look at me i work abroad or i married a foregner IT WINDS ME UP yes the philippines is a great place to live [if you have a little money ] its a great place to retire [if you have a little money ] but there is also another side to the philippines to which some of us HAVE seen THAT IS NOT NICE i could go on and on and on about the less savoury side ---I WILL NOT
and just to mention one point is was that there are a lot of young girls there and in many countries now that are getting pregnant on purpose for a reason
and in the philippines THEY BELIEVE [some not all ]that by having a misteza- mix race baby ???? that it will have a better change in life ---now we all know that is utter rubbish
to loved and beloved is the greatest joy on earth...
The decision is up to the woman is pregnant.
If you don't agree with abortion don't have one but don't force your beliefs on others.
Well unfortunately if you ask for opinions on a public forum thats what you get, obviously.
In short.... SO WHAT???... THIS IS MY LIFE!..
" The people who mean something to your life are not rated "the best" don't have the most money, haven't won the greatest prizes....
They are the ones who care about you, take care of you, those who, no matter what, stay close by... "
Definitely.....If we have burdens we love to hear advices, different views or comments may it be positive or negative. We need someone who can share a shoulder to cry on....
About the comments........It's take it or leave it....
Ooppps, here i go again.... explaining...
Hi Wheela....
" The people who mean something to your life are not rated "the best" don't have the most money, haven't won the greatest prizes....
They are the ones who care about you, take care of you, those who, no matter what, stay close by... "
[QUOTE=Mrs Daddy;136741] TOTAL LOVE
ooooooono buan no more children from me i had the chop about 6 years ago god bought us together but he does not wish us to have more babies i was gifted with 2 boys and a girl before and my fiancee has a 4 yr old given to her by one of those HIT AND RUN pilipino guys thats life or just another trial
no offence intended -- none taken its very hard to offended me --i say it like it is so expect to take it back
This is strange as there are really people who think like this.
I have taught Koreans for almost 7 years and they believe that the moment they were born, they're already considered a year old. The strange thing is when they are in dilemma as to have abortion or not (it's something they can easily do, in hiding, though), they would say, "If it's below three months, it's not a baby yet, it has no life, so it's ok to abort the baby."
Basic principle; Life begins at the moment of fertilization, and sex, traits are then fixed! Regardless of the number of weeks, life begins at the moment the egg is fertilized by the sperm.
Surely an abortion means more than the ending of a pregnancy; it is the termination of a life and the potential of a being. Some, rather prosaically, attempt to dismiss an early-stage life as nothing more than a cellular agglomeration, as it suits their purpose. Presumably they would not be in any measure of distress if they or their partner miscarried at an early stage, since their belief would tell them that it was not a valid life lost anyway. I doubt it because any normal person within a normal context rejoices at the prospect of life resulting from them. If they would still hold the same view then fine but do not impose your pro-abortion views on others (I say that as presumably this repudiating tactic works both ways).
This person has a history of making gross errors in judgment that would be repellent to many. She clearly needs help and support going forward and to impede her foolishness from reaching its apogee. I wholly subscribe to the view that another life should not pay the ultimate price because of the errant practices of another who is old enough to make wise choices but has opted not to do so. It should be impressed upon her that you cannot come back from a murder.
Any suggestion that the choice of whether to kill this life should be the exclusive preserve of the person carrying that life is, in my view, surprisingly naïve and myopic. Anyone disagreeing should please state whether they would hold the same view if after seeing their little one on a scan, their partner told them that she had aborted it for her own personal reasons and in line with their joint belief, it had been exclusively her choice.
There are many wonderful couples that long to have a child and cannot create one of their own but would make superlative adoptive parents. As one wise person said and others agreed, why not give the child up for adoption in preference to consigning it to the morgue or dissecting table?
As I said earlier, the woman needs help. She has demonstrated that she is not always capable of making wise decisions, so contrary to what one person suggested earlier, someone close to her should intervene to advise her and help prevent her making another gross decision she might regret for the rest of her life and will mean the death of another life in the meantime.
If anyone has had an abortion, that is the past and should not be dwelled on, in my opinion. We should however, help any individual, irrespective of the past, not to make the same type of error going forward.
Skin Whitening
I think it unfortunate that some feel that something other than what they are is best and to the extent that they are willing to risk their natural health for it but it is their choice. Some think being as white as is attainable is beautiful. Some, not many, believe being darker is the epitome of beauty. Each to their own!
If one is using skin lighteners because they seek to remove blemishes, etc. it is different but I would encourage them to find means to achieve the same aim without risk, using naturally designed products. Those interested in this can ask me for further info which I will happily provide and may even be able to source some product for them.
It's also interesting the perception of tone and shade. To my current understanding, right or wrong, the average Korean type skin tone is most admired in da Phils, as are the very light hispanic skin tones. If I'm correct, then the darker complextions are actually the majority and are not at all rare. In any event, to my mind, based upon my trips there, the percentage of naturally very light-skinned Filipinos in the various places I've been to across Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao, is quite low. If that is the case, there must be an alternative reasoning behind the popular desire to be light-skinned.
Be responsible with little so that you can be trusted with much!!
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I wasn't aware that anyone here was expressing 'pro-abortion' views. I thought that was the one-child policy in China? Maybe a pro-life tactic to avoid using the term 'pro-choice'. But it suits your purpose to avoid using the 'choice' word as 'imposing views' of freedom of choice sounds a bit daft in this context. Imposing views that women must complete their pregnancy does not.
For the record I find the very idea of abortion absolutely repellent, but when I hear cases of women scratching out their foetus with coathangers causing great injury to themselves and rendering themselves barren, or even resorting to suicide rather than see the pregnancy through, I cannot help but arrive at my pro-choice position.
S J
Life and death are antithetical terms. Summarily, your comments are tantamount to an assertion choice is synonomous with death. Quite preposterous in anyones view, surely. I can't fathom the rest of this paragraph of your post unfortunately.
That you reconcile the plight of desperate women scratching out the life inside them with a general perception that it is ok to kill it so long as its by some other means defies reasoning and again is somewhat paradoxical to your stated position of being repelled by the thought of abortion. Death is death period. It's quite pathetic to position pro-choice as some soft fuzzy good ending for all concerned. A life is being terminated. You seem to be aware of that but at the same time are in conflict.
Be responsible with little so that you can be trusted with much!!
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