Is it a sin??????

[Piamed]

[QUOTE=bornatbirth;138127]then stick to the facts!

when does a babies life begin?

its seems no proof of fact as been presented by either argument
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A clue: the answer to your question is inherent in itself.

I stated my position clearly many times and have referenced my statements when I felt it pertinent. Because some cannot abide by religious principles, let's stick to science. Life begins when the tenets of biology say it does. It seems that some are arguing that there is no life in an unborn as they do not know how life is defined in biology. They are coming up with personal definitions even though they say that personal insight is invalid. Hmmn! In anticipation that someone will yet again repeat what I say and naievly try to turn it back to me, I will reiterate that I do not say things I cannot reference to a broad range of informed sources.

Someone challenged the anti-abortionists here on the basis that they wanted to see a debate wrought from facts, without emotion, religion and emotional bias, yet have presented no facts. That is their requirement yet they have not been able to meet their own expectations.

Anyway, I've said my peace. The pro-abortionists can continue but hopefully will provide some evidence for the 3 points I've highlighted from JudyHon's portfolio of unfounded statements. Somehow I doubt it though. I'm on my travels now. Peace.

[David House]

[QUOTE=Piamed;138137]

then stick to the facts!

when does a babies life begin?

its seems no proof of fact as been presented by either argument
QUOTE]

A clue: the answer to your question is inherent in itself.

I stated my position clearly many times and have referenced my statements when I felt it pertinent. Because some cannot abide by religious principles, let's stick to science. Life begins when the tenets of biology say it does. It seems that some are arguing that there is no life in an unborn as they do not know how life is defined in biology. They are coming up with personal definitions even though they say that personal insight is invalid. Hmmn! In anticipation that someone will yet again repeat what I say and naievly try to turn it back to me, I will reiterate that I do not say things I cannot reference to a broad range of informed sources.

Someone challenged the anti-abortionists here on the basis that they wanted to see a debate wrought from facts, without emotion, religion and emotional bias, yet have presented no facts. That is their requirement yet they have not been able to meet their own expectations.

Anyway, I've said my peace. The pro-abortionists can continue but hopefully will provide some evidence for the 3 points I've highlighted from JudyHon's portfolio of unfounded statements. Somehow I doubt it though. I'm on my travels now. Peace.

To describe those on the other side of this debate as "pro-abortionists" is inaccurate and as emotionally charged as much of what is said by the "pro-life" lobby. No-one is, I believe, "pro-abortion". The argument is not really about whether you are in favour of abortion, only whether it can ever be acceptable. For some it is, for others it cannot be in any circumstances.
It is the same about trying to define "life". For some, me included, "human life" does not truly exist unless, and until, a baby draws it's first unaided breath. Until then it is an extension of it's mother and totally dependent upon her. Her life exists, but not a new independent one. Others have an alternative view but how far back do you want to go as "life" exists at many levels. In my view the debate needs to concentrate upon when a "human" exists, and that surely cannot be at the moment of conception. The distinction may be a fine line but it is a very important one in an ethical debate. Those who would put women at risk by denying them the opportunity to have a safe abortion, when no other reasonable option is available, have a lot to answer for. This is an imperfect world. Poor people, with too many mouths to feed, may be driven into the hands of dangerous back street abortionists. Practical solutions are required not theoretical concepts.