The Great Evolution Deception

[John Chingford]

Not much FACT in those comments then!!

Whereas the highest point on the planet was more than 300ft 6000 years ago FACT, so rules out a flood as no extra water magically appeared and then vanished as no one has any proof, and none can be found.

You say FACT, how do you know it is fact - again it is just a theory that the mountains were higher than 300 feet. No living person was there to quantify that. I know mine is also a theory, but what I am saying and trying to point out in this thread is that NO-ONE should mislead the world into believing theories to be FACT. They are not, yet vast numbers of the world are brain washed into believing what the so called experts say. Therefore they believe it as facts when it is not. I am not stating that you should aimlessly believe what I am presenting but you should at least be aware that there are other possibilities to the origins of this world and check them out if you are people of reason. I check most things out.

[Tawi2]

Ummmm John,one fact is that its NOT a boat or the remnants of an Ark on Mt Ararat,it has been scientifically examined by enough groups before the 1991 kidnappings to disprove the theory it is or ever was a boat,so at least thats Fact,its not a boat

[John Chingford]

I saw a documentary on how quickly volcanic mountains can explode and rise up again eg Krakatoa (unsure of spelling). Apparently just a matter of a few years. At the time of the flood volcanic activity was vast opening up masses of rivers underground as well as floods from the heavens (not just rain) and probably the highest mountains remaining were not so high at that time. The landscape of the earth would have changed dramatically since the flood. It could be that the earth was much flatter at that time. Also, the ark rested on mount ararat - even now not the highest mountain, but it could have been much lower at that time. Valleys may have not been so deep etc. So it is plausible that the water could have flooded the whole earth

Just to add to my quote. I remember something else about the doc. I saw. I believe it was Krakatoa or some other volcano. They showed by film evidence that this mountain was flattened by the volcano causing the island to sink. However, within a matter of a few years the island rose again as the mountain rose again. If this happens in a short space of time, how can we be so dogmatic about stating that things take millions or billions of years to occur?

[Tawi2]

Your dogmatic about all things biblical John Let it go,let your hair down and live a little Thats the thing with religious types,they are blinkered,indocrinated,they have to believe,never understood it myself

[John Chingford]

Ummmm John,one fact is that its NOT a boat or the remnants of an Ark on Mt Ararat,it has been scientifically examined by enough groups before the 1991 kidnappings to disprove the theory it is or ever was a boat,so at least thats Fact,its not a boat

Ok Tawi2 I concede that the object on Mount Ararat is probably not the ark, however, I cannot trust what the Iraqis say. They stated they were winning the gulf war! Remember Comedy ali? lol! Whether it was ark or not does not matter.

[KeithD]

You say FACT, how do you know it is fact - again it is just a theory that the mountains were higher than 300 feet. No living person was there to quantify that. I know mine is also a theory, but what I am saying and trying to point out in this thread is that NO-ONE should mislead the world into believing theories to be FACT. They are not, yet vast numbers of the world are brain washed into believing what the so called experts say. Therefore they believe it as facts when it is not. I am not stating that you should aimlessly believe what I am presenting but you should at least be aware that there are other possibilities to the origins of this world and check them out if you are people of reason. I check most things out.

It is the religious folk who are brainwashed into believing something written in a story book 2000 years ago.....how do you explain the writers knew what they wrote was fact? They were around 6000 years ago to see?

Rock formations such as mountains are FACT as we see them moving even today (earthquakes), and it is again simple maths to work out the timeframe. The Tibetan Plateau is still moving up and still will be in another 6000 years.

[Tawi2]

John,it wasnt the iraqis who examined it,its been western archaeologists,its an unusual stone formation,no more,no less,the "Ararat anomaly" as its now known.

[John Chingford]

It IS a serious matter. Consider, if I am right, it affects your eternal destination. I write these things seriously because of compassion in my heart for you all. It is NOT God's will that any should perish, therefore I have a mandate from God to present these things with the hope that some WILL take these things seriously. I desire that ALL should know Jesus like I know Him. He is amazing and His love is so wonderful. I know He is alive and He has changed my life. He has put light into my soul. It is like the brightness of the sun. Because I know Him everything becomes so much clearer. Regarding letting my hair down, ask my wife. She finds me hilarious as I have a real sense of humour.

[Tawi2]

Thanks for caring for my soul John,much appreciated I would rather go to hell once I snuff it to be honest,thats where the interesting people will end up I guess?Imagine the parties(No karaoke allowed,thats for those in heaven)all that bondage gear,whippings and Dominatrix John,you should go to the Barrio Fiesta sa London next month,you would be a howl once you got a few san migs down your neck

[John Chingford]

John,it wasnt the iraqis who examined it,its been western archaeologists,its an unusual stone formation,no more,no less,the "Ararat anomaly" as its now known.

Thanks Tawi2. Sorry, I stand corrected!

[John Chingford]

Thanks again guys. I have to go now

[aromulus]

I write these things seriously because of compassion in my heart for you all.

Duly noted and aknowledged.....

Thanks for the thought....

Still........

[Tawi2]

We love you john Not in a homo way or anything But as a genuine nice guy Group hugs all around

[Pepe n Pilar]

We love you John and thank you from the bottom of our hearts....

[Bluebirdjones]

it affects your eternal destination
My initial destination is either Bohol or Guimares, and when the eternal bit
arrives, I'm gonna swim off the nearest beach ... and keep on swimming

It is NOT God's will that any should perish
We all die in time ...... FACT.

...because of compassion in my heart for you all.
I neither know you, nor want to ..... so cross me off your list

I have a mandate from God
Did it arrive in the post ? .... or was it the same type of mandate that Gordon
Brown alludes to (ie the non-elected one ?)


“The trouble with born again Christians is that they are an even bigger pain
the second time around”

[Sophie]

“The trouble with born again Christians is that they are an even bigger pain
the second time around”

Ouch, that's quite a strong statement........
It would be hypocrisy to say i'm not offended by it,
but then again, that's your personal opinion and you are entitled to one, and i respect that...
I hope you do thesame........

[Jay&Zobel]

Duly noted and aknowledged.....

Thanks for the thought....

We love you john Not in a homo way or anything But as a genuine nice guy Group hugs all around

We love you John and thank you from the bottom of our hearts....

Very gentlemen of you!!!!

[Jay&Zobel]

[COLOR="Magenta"]...because of compassion in my heart for you all.
I neither know you, nor want to ..... so cross me off your list

“The trouble with born again Christians is that they are an even bigger pain
the second time around”

Ouch, that's quite a strong statement........
It would be hypocrisy to say i'm not offended by it,
but then again, that's your personal opinion and you are entitled to one, and i respect that...
I hope you do thesame........

I'd rather have a God that teaches me to love thy neighbour, than having none and be a heartless person...

[bornatbirth]

I'd rather have a God that teaches me to love thy neighbour, than having none and be a heartless person...

why are you considered heartless unless we believe the same as you?

i could say your heartless for no other reason than i can write it!

[John Chingford]

why are you considered heartless unless we believe the same as you?

i could say your heartless for no other reason than i can write it!

I think Jay and Zobel was referring to the heartless comment made by BlueBirdJones. I agree that many unbelievers are NOT heartless. Point is being made that "true" believers practice love because they have Jesus in their hearts and that is better than the alternative. How can this be a painful thing? Actually often the highly critical people do not express love. All they do is insult maybe because of bad experiences.

BlueBirdJones is entitled to think that way. However, that attitude will not win many friends. Maybe he has an experience of some "so-called" christians who have hurt him? Anyway, I will try to be understanding and not return the same animosity. BBJ I forgive you for the comment. I have faced FAR worse. I can cope with those comments!

[John Chingford]

Thank you Aromulus, Tawi2 and Pepe N Pilar for your very kind comments. Yes hugs all round in a male bonding way - not homo way! Cheers!

[Tawi2]

Thank you Aromulus, Tawi2 and Pepe N Pilar for your very kind comments. Yes hugs all round in a male bonding way - not homo way! Cheers!

Thanks John,when I said I loved you it was as a geezer because you come across as a decent guy to be honest

[Jay&Zobel]

I think Jay and Zobel was referring to the heartless comment made by BlueBirdJones. I agree that many unbelievers are NOT heartless. Point is being made that "true" believers practice love because they have Jesus in their hearts and that is better than the alternative. How can this be a painful thing? Actually often the highly critical people do not express love. All they do is insult maybe because of bad experiences.

BlueBirdJones is entitled to think that way. However, that attitude will not win many friends. Maybe he has an experience of some "so-called" christians who have hurt him? Anyway, I will try to be understanding and not return the same animosity. BBJ I forgive you for the comment. I have faced FAR worse. I can cope with those comments!

Yep, that's what I meant... Cheers

[Scouse]

What I do not like is that those who teach evolution and put dates on the age of the earth do not state it is theory but teach it as if it is fact.

Is that why it is called Darwins THEORY of evolution?

It's the religious nutters who present their fairy stories as fact. They have an agenda to control everybody but are just a bunch of hypocrites. They quote their religious text and do the opposite.

An example of this is that people should help others who are worse off than themselves but the the churches are some of the richest organisations in the world and still ask for more from the brainwashed often poor who attend.

When was the last time you saw a priest living in permanent poverty? Never because the church looks after it's own. They may go somewher in the developing world for a few years but that is just to brainwash even more people to create more wealth for themselves.

Look at the child abuse scandal and cover up in Ireland, who was behind it? the church.

If it wasn't so serious you would make me laugh. I don't love or respect you and don't need your love or respect.

I was brought up to believe in a god and rejected religion when I saw the hypocrisy.

[Fitzy]

I once had a debate with a west african who told me that scientists had buried T-rex fossils to fool the masses I have also been to the tomb of jesus christ in kashmir in India Incestuous lot if we are all descended from a single couple,surprised we havent got more inbred defects Anyone play Duelling-banjoes like Billy Redden?

Squeel lik a Pig, Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Hahahahahahahha


Nice 1 mate

[Tawi2]

I always found that "Deliverance" scene uncomfortable to watch Fitzy,I have met a few guys like those hillbilly rednecks

[Bluebirdjones]

My attitude is not designed to win friends …. I’m happy as I am.

.. and what is a “so-called” Christian ? …. someone like you who spouts total nonsence about the theory of evolution ? ….. someone like Martin Luther who broke away from the “established” church ? … someone who does not believe in the literal interpretation of the bible ? …. someone who attends a different Happy-Clappy church to you ? … someone like Tony Blair who believed it was “god’s will” that he should support the invasion of Iraq ? …. someone like Pope Urban II who’s rhetoric unleashed Crusader mobs throughout Europe, who massacred thousands of Jews, and eventually the wholesale slaughter of the Muslim & Jewish populations of Jerusalem ? ….someone like Jerry Falwell who famously said "Labor unions should study and read the Bible instead of asking for more money. When people get right with God, they are better workers." ? … need more ?????

And my “experience” ?..... by the time I’d finished University, I’d lost my mother, my father, and my brother ……. all my family bar a grandmother (who I then looked after).
… and I hear… “It’s God’s Will” …. NEVER, EVER, WILL I BELIEVE OR ACCEPT THAT.

Forgiveness …… I neither require it, nor want it. …… or need it !
Nor your sympathy.


As an aside, I’ve no problem with ANYONE’s views on religion or politics …. but you seem to be on some personal crusade to “convert” people, to force your thoughts upon others. That, I cannot agree with.
This website is a great source of info for those with a (prospective) Filipino/a wife/husband, a source of knowledge about visas, travel arrangements, legal procedures, shipping, etc etc ….. and even you have contributed/started a number of these informative threads.
So, lets leave the religion, the politics to one side….. and get back to what this site is TRULY about.

[aromulus]

As an aside, I’ve no problem with ANYONE’s views on religion or politics …. but you seem to be on some personal crusade to “convert” people, to force your thoughts upon others. That, I cannot agree with.
This website is a great source of info for those with a (prospective) Filipino/a wife/husband, a source of knowledge about visas, travel arrangements, legal procedures, shipping, etc etc ….. and even you have contributed/started a number of these informative threads.
So, lets leave the religion, the politics to one side….. and get back to what this site is TRULY about.

Amen to that.........

[aposhark]

Regarding incest. Sin is only sin if God forbids it. If He created everything He has the right to say what is right or wrong. He set the rules for our own good. At the beginning He stated that the first couple should be responsible for filling the Earth with people. God called it incest and a sin much later at the time of Moses (about 2000 years later).

God created the first couple perfect and to live for eternity but stated that if they sinned their bodies would start to decay "on the day you eat of it you will die". Ever since that time death and corruption has entered the human race, but it took 2000 years for the full impact of that corruption to reduce our life span to about 80ish years. By the time of Moses, incest was called incest because it had now become harmful to continue the practice

God? He? NOT AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!PROOF?

[aromulus]

God? He? NOT AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!PROOF?

I was waiting for that.....