The Great Evolution Deception

[KeithD]

We haven't even proven that we actually exist yet. You may think you observe yourself in a mirror and other things around you but how do you prove they actaully exist?

Saying because you see them doesn't wash, as you may think you see them, same for touch, you may think you touch something, but this is only your senses telling you, no outside proof is telling you, and if you think it is, maybe it is only your thinking that makes you think that is proof.

[Sconnie]

We haven't even proven that we actually exist yet. You may think you observe yourself in a mirror and other things around you but how do you prove they actaully exist?

Saying because you see them doesn't wash, as you may think you see them, same for touch, you may think you touch something, but this is only your senses telling you, no outside proof is telling you, and if you think it is, maybe it is only your thinking that makes you think that is proof.

Pleased I read this, or maybe I haven't read it

Can anyone else see this.

[David House]

Pleased I read this, or maybe I haven't read it

Can anyone else see this.

I thought I could but now I have my doubts and I haven't even been to the pub yet! By 11.30 I am sure I won't know. Does beer exist? This is getting serious. Better go now.

[aromulus]

Enough of winding each other up, I reckon....

We all like to disagree, because we are all individuals with powers of reason, and all of us have different opinions on all kind of subjects.

Now that we know where we stand, just lets drop it and keep on being friends.

We solemnly promise not to try to convert each other to this and that, or I am going to see my .....

Handbags at dawn........

Carry on the good work.....

[Sconnie]

Enough of winding each other up, I reckon....

We all like to disagree, because we are all individuals with powers of reason, and all of us have different opinions on all kind of subjects.

Now that we know where we stand, just lets drop it and keep on being friends.

We solemnly promise not to try to convert each other to this and that, or I am going to see my .....

Handbags at dawn........

Carry on the good work.....

Well said Dom

[Piamed]

There are those who communicate what defines or is important to them intelligently, calmly, respectfully and in a constructive manner (both believers and non-believers) and there are those that don't and are thereby distinctly characterised.

I, like many on here, aspire to be what I deem a good Christian. Being a Christian defines me. That is my reality. It means that aspects of my practices, belief and moral coding will be apparent to those around me. Some will be subtle, others will be more pronounced. It is not because I wish to impress anything upon another but rather because it is now in my make up. I can no more suppress it than I can blinking if something flies into my eye. Indeed, nor will I attempt to, as it is not done to challenge others, criticise their own practices, activities, etc.

It is inaccurate to say that because a Christian mentions his faith or anything associated, he is trying to convert another. I have no aspiration to convert anyone on here and believe it is not my role to - If He wants to He will disclose to you what He has to me and others. If not, sobeit. Being a Christian is not a cultural thing for me or for many others on here. Many of us made a conscious decision to form a relationsip with God because we wanted to and beyong it just being all we've ever known or grown up with.

At the end of the day, all are entitled to our own views, even those that are sometimes presented rudely and with an occasionally ambiguous purpose.

I've now said my piece. I've attempted to present my own views and thoughts constructively and robustly on various threads, as have I believe, individuals such as Mr Chingford. I will continue manifesting who I am and if in being ME, I utter something about my faith, the choice of how you react to that is entirely up to you, as we all have this wonderful gift of choice.

Peace to all on here as always. I am now going to be focussed on my new ventures which hopefully you will hear about in due course.

God bless you, all that want to be so blessed and best wishes to everyone else!

[aromulus]

Well said Dom

The whole debacle keeps reminding me of that famous quote by Clint eastwood, in the "Dead Pool" movie.....

""""Opinions are like holes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks."""



So in real terms, I am no different from anybody else.....

[aposhark]

....God bless you, all that want to be so blessed and best wishes to everyone else!

Hi Piamed,

This is still, to me, part of the problem.
You see, we don't want to be "blessed" (as there is no such thing as a "God") and religious people's continued attempts to brainwash non-believers can only fairly be met by our comments to leave religion out of this forum because it is not appreciated by many here.

Whilst there are members here that continue to spout off about religious mumbo-jumbo, there will always be others who will react to their attempts to stand on soap boxes.

Once again, I do not knock on anyone's door to try to convince them to be atheists so why don't religious types stay away from my door, and also leave religion out of this forum?

If non-believers do not dispute things, religious people will have the floor and I for one will never let this happen.

If you think that non-believers are rude and ambiguous, don't mention religion and there is no further problem. I think religious people who knock on people's doors for example are far worse than rude
Do we knock on their doors? You know the answer to this .

I could easily sit back quietly as an atheist and never start a thread about religion. That would be grand.

It is religious people's choice to keep their thoughts here.
Do it in church where it will be welcomed.

It will be so easy for us atheists to remain quiet here, when religion stays out of this forum.

It's your call

[KeithD]

I believe that non-believers believe only what other non-believers beliefs believe.

[bornatbirth]

i dont see a problem with anyone posting there views on this forum,is it compuslary to reply to a thread?

as im married to my filipina wife who as christian faith i dont have a problem going to church with her and making sure she is looked after!

so i find it strange that others knock those with faith and belief in god.

[pennybarry]

I'm a human being and not from monkey ancestors

[bornatbirth]

i've seen you climbing those trees

[vbkelly]

i believed in GOD creation

[vbkelly]

So Jurrassic park isnt real then

from cover to cover of the bible jurrasic is never mention on it.

[pennybarry]

i've seen you climbing those trees

me? I just lay down open my mouth waiting for fruits to fall into my mouth. I don't climb

[bornatbirth]

me? I just lay down open my mouth

i wondered what you was going to say then???

[pennybarry]

i wondered what you was going to say then???

here I am born@birth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Tamad


http://cid-39a8f52365e8e496.skydrive...omRichUpload=1

[Jay&Zobel]

There are those who communicate what defines or is important to them intelligently, calmly, respectfully and in a constructive manner (both believers and non-believers) and there are those that don't and are thereby distinctly characterised.

I, like many on here, aspire to be what I deem a good Christian. Being a Christian defines me. That is my reality. It means that aspects of my practices, belief and moral coding will be apparent to those around me. Some will be subtle, others will be more pronounced. It is not because I wish to impress anything upon another but rather because it is now in my make up. I can no more suppress it than I can blinking if something flies into my eye. Indeed, nor will I attempt to, as it is not done to challenge others, criticise their own practices, activities, etc.

It is inaccurate to say that because a Christian mentions his faith or anything associated, he is trying to convert another. I have no aspiration to convert anyone on here and believe it is not my role to - If He wants to He will disclose to you what He has to me and others. If not, sobeit. Being a Christian is not a cultural thing for me or for many others on here. Many of us made a conscious decision to form a relationsip with God because we wanted to and beyong it just being all we've ever known or grown up with.
At the end of the day, all are entitled to our own views, even those that are sometimes presented rudely and with an occasionally ambiguous purpose.

I've now said my piece. I've attempted to present my own views and thoughts constructively and robustly on various threads, as have I believe, individuals such as Mr Chingford. I will continue manifesting who I am and if in being ME, I utter something about my faith, the choice of how you react to that is entirely up to you, as we all have this wonderful gift of choice.

Peace to all on here as always. I am now going to be focussed on my new ventures which hopefully you will hear about in due course.

God bless you, all that want to be so blessed and best wishes to everyone else!

Oh believe me, I have waited for this!!!

God bless you too Amigo & family!!!

[somebody]

i believed in GOD creation

Why did someone create God


I now have a vision of a Production line creating Gods for all the different religions.

[David House]

There are those who communicate what defines or is important to them intelligently, calmly, respectfully and in a constructive manner (both believers and non-believers) and there are those that don't and are thereby distinctly characterised.

I, like many on here, aspire to be what I deem a good Christian. Being a Christian defines me. That is my reality. It means that aspects of my practices, belief and moral coding will be apparent to those around me. Some will be subtle, others will be more pronounced. It is not because I wish to impress anything upon another but rather because it is now in my make up. I can no more suppress it than I can blinking if something flies into my eye. Indeed, nor will I attempt to, as it is not done to challenge others, criticise their own practices, activities, etc.

It is inaccurate to say that because a Christian mentions his faith or anything associated, he is trying to convert another. I have no aspiration to convert anyone on here and believe it is not my role to - If He wants to He will disclose to you what He has to me and others. If not, sobeit. Being a Christian is not a cultural thing for me or for many others on here. Many of us made a conscious decision to form a relationsip with God because we wanted to and beyong it just being all we've ever known or grown up with.

At the end of the day, all are entitled to our own views, even those that are sometimes presented rudely and with an occasionally ambiguous purpose.

I've now said my piece. I've attempted to present my own views and thoughts constructively and robustly on various threads, as have I believe, individuals such as Mr Chingford. I will continue manifesting who I am and if in being ME, I utter something about my faith, the choice of how you react to that is entirely up to you, as we all have this wonderful gift of choice.

Peace to all on here as always. I am now going to be focussed on my new ventures which hopefully you will hear about in due course.

God bless you, all that want to be so blessed and best wishes to everyone else!

My view is that personal beliefs should be kept just that, personal. The only place to discuss them is when in the exclusive company of fellow believers. By all means let the guiding principals of your life be seen through your behaviour, but please don't mention from where you get those principals. It annoys the non-believers like me who also have found a way to live without relying upon another's rule book. I have my own "beliefs" and therories for how we got here, where the bible came from and where Jesus came from. No one gave them to me and I am not going to share them with you. Although you say you don't seek to convert by even mentioning the Christian element in your message you automatically are, whether intentionally or not. Please stop it.

[Tawi2]

from cover to cover of the bible jurrasic is never mention on it.

What a Bummer

[Ji&Ma]

My view is that personal beliefs should be kept just that, personal. The only place to discuss them is when in the exclusive company of fellow believers. By all means let the guiding principals of your life be seen through your behaviour, but please don't mention from where you get those principals. It annoys the non-believers like me who also have found a way to live without relying upon another's rule book. I have my own "beliefs" and therories for how we got here, where the bible came from and where Jesus came from. No one gave them to me and I am not going to share them with you. Although you say you don't seek to convert by even mentioning the Christian element in your message you automatically are, whether intentionally or not. Please stop it.

Very well said David. I share the same view on the matter

[aposhark]

My view is that personal beliefs should be kept just that, personal. The only place to discuss them is when in the exclusive company of fellow believers. By all means let the guiding principals of your life be seen through your behaviour, but please don't mention from where you get those principals. It annoys the non-believers like me who also have found a way to live without relying upon another's rule book. I have my own "beliefs" and therories for how we got here, where the bible came from and where Jesus came from. No one gave them to me and I am not going to share them with you. Although you say you don't seek to convert by even mentioning the Christian element in your message you automatically are, whether intentionally or not. Please stop it.

Well thought out comments David House.

[aposhark]

i dont see a problem with anyone posting there views on this forum,is it compuslary to reply to a thread?

as im married to my filipina wife who as christian faith i dont have a problem going to church with her and making sure she is looked after!

so i find it strange that others knock those with faith and belief in god.

On the contrary, some of us non-believers find it offensive that people have to keep banging on about religion. It is so tiresome and there is never ever evidence of proof. Never.
I don't know why you find it strange that we knock "god" - it is far stranger to keep mentioning fairy stories.

[Alec&Davina]

Religion will always be a never ending discussion..

[KeithD]

Religion will always be a never ending discussion..

Not if I close the thread it won't be

[somebody]

Not if I close the thread it won't be

But God will strike you down


Oh he hasn't

[Piamed]

Hi Piamed,

This is still, to me, part of the problem.
You see, we don't want to be "blessed" (as there is no such thing as a "God") and religious people's continued attempts to brainwash non-believers can only fairly be met by our comments to leave religion out of this forum because it is not appreciated by many here.

Whilst there are members here that continue to spout off about religious mumbo-jumbo, there will always be others who will react to their attempts to stand on soap boxes.

Once again, I do not knock on anyone's door to try to convince them to be atheists so why don't religious types stay away from my door, and also leave religion out of this forum?

If non-believers do not dispute things, religious people will have the floor and I for one will never let this happen.

If you think that non-believers are rude and ambiguous, don't mention religion and there is no further problem. I think religious people who knock on people's doors for example are far worse than rude
Do we knock on their doors? You know the answer to this .

I could easily sit back quietly as an atheist and never start a thread about religion. That would be grand.

It is religious people's choice to keep their thoughts here.
Do it in church where it will be welcomed.

It will be so easy for us atheists to remain quiet here, when religion stays out of this forum.

It's your call

It is absurd to suggest that any group of idividuals is rude per se. The rude and ignorant ones make themselves apparent on an individual basis throug what they say and how they say it.

My view is that personal beliefs should be kept just that, personal. The only place to discuss them is when in the exclusive company of fellow believers. By all means let the guiding principals of your life be seen through your behaviour, but please don't mention from where you get those principals. It annoys the non-believers like me who also have found a way to live without relying upon another's rule book. I have my own "beliefs" and therories for how we got here, where the bible came from and where Jesus came from. No one gave them to me and I am not going to share them with you. Although you say you don't seek to convert by even mentioning the Christian element in your message you automatically are, whether intentionally or not. Please stop it.

As long as my conscience is clear I will continue to be me. If that spurs you to action in any way that is your choice. You have espoused your views in opposition to mine. That is fine. My own views are not based upin your own and indeed do not even acknowledge you. It appears that your personal views cause a reaction to things that do not even involve you. Again tat is your choice.

[John Chingford]

Hey guys. I started a thread NOT to preach at any of you, but simply to inform those who may be interested. The topic is loose talk & chat. Surely it can include any subject that may or may not be interesting. Is it ONLY christians who are not allowed to contribute their thoughts and HAVE to remain silent whilst the rest can say whatever they like whilst we remain gagged? I thought this was a free country.

I wrote the thread because I AM fed up with being subtly preached at or mocked by atheists on TV, radio, newspapers etc about billions of years as if it is fact. I just wanted to give my pennyworth seeings they are allowed to say what they want to whether I like it or not (I have to put up with it and I do willingly because of their entitlement to do so). However, it is only fair that I also be allowed to respond, when I hear things stated as fact when they are theory - I just wanted to point it out, so that those who thought is was fact may be enlightened. There may actually be many who appreciate the things I have written (even those who are not members may appreciate it).

Come on ...... if the topic annoys you, don't read it. You don't have to read everything that people post and you dont have to reply. If you feel you need to contribute - that's good, but if you say something we feel is inaccurate or if we can give you evidence to respond to your accusations or criticisms, it is only fair for us to do so.

[John Chingford]

Hi BlueBirdJones. Again respect to you! By the way, Ken Ham is the CEO of AIG. This means that he is in charge. I know that he is not so qualified as you would like him to be, but he doesn't need to be that qualified as virtually all the articles are written by those he trusts (who are highly qualified) and even what he does write is information he gathers from his experts. The articles are written by VERY qualified people. I checked out the credentials of one of his experts. If you are interested I could post you his name and you could check him out yourself. Regarding Ken's comment that he doesn't want peoples opinions. I think that may be misquoted. As I do not know him I cannot know what he meant, but I would guess he actually said "I am not interested in your opinions (theories) but your factual evidences". If that is what he said, I think that would be a fair comment.

For everybody else who have posted to this thread: a number of statements or criticisms have been made that I cannot remain silent about. There may be innocent people (members or non members) who read the things said and may be influenced by inaccurate information. I need to respond to all these criticisms, for the sake of the innocent ones who have received incomplete information. It is only right because many of you are trying to make a laughing stock out of christianity with your mocking replies.

According to the scriptures Christians are encouraged to contend for the faith if our faith is put on trial. It seems that many of you are putting us on trial. Therefore, I have spent quite a lot of time over the last few days finding articles which (with respect) give strong arguments against the claims you have made. I have put these together and intend to post them soon. Now you don't have to read them if you dont want to, but for the sake of those who are interested I will post it. I think they will find it very informative.