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    In the name of God the church used to murder people who did not accept that the Earth was the center of everything, now with basic scientific physics of motion the church accepts it is not.

    Evidence of the EVOLUTION of the church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Win2Win View Post
    In the name of God the church used to murder people who did not accept that the Earth was the center of everything, now with basic scientific physics of motion the church accepts it is not.

    Evidence of the EVOLUTION of the church.


    Didn't the christian religion evolve from a cult into what it is today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by somebody View Post
    Didn't the christian religion evolve from a cult into what it is today?
    That would have been 6001BC......not enough time so never happened
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    Quote Originally Posted by Win2Win View Post
    That would have been 6001BC......not enough time so never happened
    so how come some stalagmites seem to be from calculations to have taken more than ten thousand years to form


    Did they possibly just hang there in space before the cave existed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by somebody View Post
    Did they possibly just hang there in space before the cave existed?
    Space didn't exist back then either!

    So it was empty infiinity, but as we are here now, empty infinity obviously didn't exist either!
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    so how did it all start?

    wheres that link john posted!
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    I hope John is not watching BBC 2 at the moment. They have found communities of people that lived over 14,000 years old they must have lived in empty infinty
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    Quote Originally Posted by somebody View Post
    I hope John is not watching BBC 2 at the moment. They have found communities of people that lived over 14,000 years old they must have lived in empty infinty
    He'll just say that you shouldn't believe everything you read online or on the TV as they are trying to brainwash you.

    Which is a bit rich coming from someone who seems to believe without question the contents of the AIG website


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    How do we know how old the bible is? Because we can follow back the history lines....which could all be faked, the bible may only have been written just before we were all born! We have no proof it wasn't.

    If you do accepts it was written 2000 years ago, then by using exactly the same timelines, with similar levels of proof, we go back 6000, 8000, 10000+ years

    If you are looking for an old table and you go into an antique shop, and the seller says "this one is 300 years old", how do you know? You have no proof, you just believe the 'expert', it could have been made in China the week before, in the same factory they 'wrote' the Bible in 1864!
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    I would always believe science with a few failings than religion with many failings.

    Anyway, he is not spouting off anymore. All he has done is alienated some believers.

    It is a lesson to be learnt, a painful one at that.


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    Hi Piamed. Thanks Brother. You are right! In truth the christians on this site are actually trying to be compassionate, loving and forgiving. We certainly do not intend to be rude. If others think we are, it is just their interpretation, but the truth is we are being courteous. We are just trying to be informative.

    However, maybe we would be respected more if we were also rude and offensive? But for born-again believers, filled by the Holy Spirit it is not possible for us to behave in that way (generally). Everything I say is said in a spirit of compassion, love and peace. I try to hold everyone in respect and well meaning. But as this is an open forum stating that we are free to discuss ANYTHING, then I do not understand why we cannot respect everyone and their views. This does not mean that we shouldn't discuss things , but I agree that it should be done in a kind and pleasant way.

    As there are many believing Filipinas who use this site but maybe feel inadequate to express their feelings well in English, they may be frustrated by so much atheistic talk or some may be unfairly influenced by just hearing one side of the argument. My articles are mostly directed to help THEM and encourage them, to see that there are very STRONG evidencies to support our christian faith.

    You cannot ignore the fact that MOST Filipinas believe in God. As this is a Filipina UK forum you cannot dismiss what matters to them!!!!!!!

    By the way, we committed christians are not threatened by scientific theories and certainly not by those who do not give serious consideration to our well thought out rebuttals to scientific theory. We welcome any rebuttal, but are also entitled to respond with our own rebuttals, surely????????
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    Aposhark says that atheism is not deliberately preached on this website. This is strange coming from him. Look at his signature. "Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense."
    -- Chapman Cohen

    Every time he sends a post he is preaching atheism!!!!!

    I don't mind! - everyone to his own. But he should not then complain when we feel we should say something in response
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Chingford View Post
    Aposhark says that atheism is not deliberately preached on this website. This is strange coming from him. Look at his signature. "Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense."
    -- Chapman Cohen

    Every time he sends a post he is preaching atheism!!!!!

    I don't mind! - everyone to his own. But he should not then complain when we feel we should say something in response
    John,

    Thankyou for noticing my signature.
    I originally had it as "One Life, Live It", but I noticed so many quotes from the bible in many other's signatures, I thought it would be good to get a little balance into the general flavour of this forum.
    Thanks once again for reading my comments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aposhark View Post
    John,

    Thankyou for noticing my signature.
    I originally had it as "One Life, Live It", but I noticed so many quotes from the bible in many other's signatures, I thought it would be good to get a little balance into the general flavour of this forum.
    Thanks once again for reading my comments.
    No problem! My answers are written because I respect you enough to take what you say seriously. I have no problem with your signature. I also think debate is healthy if spoken calmy and pleasantly
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    Hi Aromulus. Let me first say that I think this website is absolutely amazing for information, debate etc. I LOVE IT!!!!!! As you are the boss, I must respect YOUR wishes.

    Actually, I have been trying to bring the topic to an end myself, but every time I try, someone raises a question or statement (put in my direction). Is it not fair that I respond to it?

    Or is this website changing direction to a tolerant site only for non christians to say whatever they want but christians cannot? Is that not discrimination against quite a high number of people on this website? However, if you do not want me to say anymore on this thread I will stop now. But if I am criticised further - especially when someone says "see. John cannot answer that" it will be hard for me not to respond.

    Respect to you. I do understand what you are trying to do ie keep it all friendly. I accept that and agree with you. Everything I say, I say in a friendly way. If angry people respond badly - maybe the issue is inside them, not the fault of the topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Chingford View Post
    Hi Aromulus. Let me first say that I think this website is absolutely amazing for information, debate etc. I LOVE IT!!!!!! As you are the boss, I must respect YOUR wishes.
    Yep, the website is a creation of Win2Win and it is superb!
    No, I am not the boss, only a cog in the machinery.

    Quote Originally Posted by John Chingford View Post
    Actually, I have been trying to bring the topic to an end myself, but every time I try, someone raises a question or statement (put in my direction). Is it not fair that I respond to it?
    You could always ignore it.....

    Quote Originally Posted by John Chingford View Post
    Or is this website changing direction to a tolerant site only for non christians to say whatever they want but christians cannot? Is that not discrimination against quite a high number of people on this website? However, if you do not want me to say anymore on this thread I will stop now. But if I am criticised further - especially when someone says "see. John cannot answer that" it will be hard for me not to respond.
    As a self professed Christian you can rise above that....

    Quote Originally Posted by John Chingford View Post
    Respect to you. I do understand what you are trying to do ie keep it all friendly. I accept that and agree with you. Everything I say, I say in a friendly way. If angry people respond badly - maybe the issue is inside them, not the fault of the topic
    It doesn't matter where you are in the world, religious debate and topics tend to cause strife, unless you are in a dedicated forum, which this one, clearly, is not.


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