The Great Evolution Deception

[John Chingford]

Before I send those articles I would like to contribute to one comment made. Hand on heart, can you really state that scientists have really made great discoveries for our good?

Let's look at the evidence: the nuclear threat, global warming, increased famine, greater man-made disasters, economical breakdown, greater stress, increased numbers receiving pyshiatric treatment, greater pressures in life. Computers controlling our time (from breakdowns, virus's, spyware etc). The pace of life is creating an increase in mental and nervous breakdowns etc etc.

I read that some of the tsunami's have been caused by nuclear testing underground in Australia (is that true?).

So have we really advanced so much? and if we have advanced is is it REALLY for the benefit of mankind? Again I don't mind if you mock, I am no expert, but it seems to me that mankind has actually (in real terms) gone backwards. Did you know that previous civilisations were actually far more brilliant than us. Most of our technologies are based on their abilities to think, invent etc. We are simply applying to new technologies what they have provided. Why are we so arrogant to think we are more advanced than they were? Again, just raising the question.

[John Chingford]

As mentioned above I have sent the posts in answer to the criticisms. So that it does not tie up this thread and so that you do not read it if you don't want to, I have placed the answers under a new thread entitled:

Great Evolution Deception Thread Replies To Criticisms

If you want to read it, please read it there. If it upsets you, just ignore it!

I cover the topics on:

new evidence found by scientists concluding dinosaurs did not evolve into birds

evidence and reasons why carbon dating supports a young earth

the grand canyon evidence supports a young earth giving evidence of a noahic global flood

why the bible is trustworthy

[John Chingford]

I sent 2 posts at the end of page 6. However, as we are now on page 7, you may not notice my answers. Therefore, I post it again here, just in case you didn't see it:

1) Hey guys. I started a thread NOT to preach at any of you, but simply to inform those who may be interested. The topic is loose talk & chat. Surely it can include any subject that may or may not be interesting. Is it ONLY christians who are not allowed to contribute their thoughts and HAVE to remain silent whilst the rest can say whatever they like whilst we remain gagged? I thought this was a free country.

I wrote the thread because I AM fed up with being subtly preached at or mocked by atheists on TV, radio, newspapers etc about billions of years as if it is fact. I just wanted to give my pennyworth seeings they are allowed to say what they want to whether I like it or not (I have to put up with it and I do willingly because of their entitlement to do so). However, it is only fair that I also be allowed to respond, when I hear things stated as fact when they are theory - I just wanted to point it out, so that those who thought is was fact may be enlightened. There may actually be many who appreciate the things I have written (even those who are not members may appreciate it).

Come on ...... if the topic annoys you, don't read it. You don't have to read everything that people post and you dont have to reply. If you feel you need to contribute - that's good, but if you say something we feel is inaccurate or if we can give you evidence to respond to your accusations or criticisms, it is only fair for us to do so.

2) Hi BlueBirdJones. Again respect to you! By the way, Ken Ham is the CEO of AIG. This means that he is in charge. I know that he is not so qualified as you would like him to be, but he doesn't need to be that qualified as virtually all the articles are written by those he trusts (who are highly qualified) and even what he does write is information he gathers from his experts. The articles are written by VERY qualified people. I checked out the credentials of one of his experts. If you are interested I could post you his name and you could check him out yourself. Regarding Ken's comment that he doesn't want peoples opinions. I think that may be misquoted. As I do not know him I cannot know what he meant, but I would guess he actually said "I am not interested in your opinions (theories) but your factual evidences". If that is what he said, I think that would be a fair comment.

For everybody else who have posted to this thread: a number of statements or criticisms have been made that I cannot remain silent about. There may be innocent people (members or non members) who read the things said and may be influenced by inaccurate information. I need to respond to all these criticisms, for the sake of the innocent ones who have received incomplete information. It is only right because many of you are trying to make a laughing stock out of christianity with your mocking replies.

According to the scriptures Christians are encouraged to contend for the faith if our faith is put on trial. It seems that many of you are putting us on trial. Therefore, I have spent quite a lot of time over the last few days finding articles which (with respect) give strong arguments against the claims you have made. I have put these together and intend to post them soon. Now you don't have to read them if you dont want to, but for the sake of those who are interested I will post it. I think they will find it very informative.

[KeithD]

Wow.....has this thread

EVOLVED!!!!

[aposhark]

John,

You are swamping this forum with your christian ideology which, for many of us, is a pain in the

Please do this in religious forums where it will be welcomed.

I do not read your threads anymore, you are coming across as a nutter now.

[aromulus]

John,
I do not read your threads anymore, you are coming across as a nutter now.

Calm down, calm down....

[aposhark]

Wow.....has this thread

EVOLVED!!!!

Come on Mr. Minging Dictator, you should have been brainwashed into thinking that evolution does not exist.

Get with the plan, man.

[aromulus]

Everton vs Lillipud.......

Where's the popcorn????

[Jamesey]

Before I send those articles I would like to contribute to one comment made. Hand on heart, can you really state that scientists have really made great discoveries for our good?

Let's look at the evidence: the nuclear threat, global warming, increased famine, greater man-made disasters, economical breakdown, greater stress, increased numbers receiving pyshiatric treatment, greater pressures in life. Computers controlling our time (from breakdowns, virus's, spyware etc). The pace of life is creating an increase in mental and nervous breakdowns etc etc.

I read that some of the tsunami's have been caused by nuclear testing underground in Australia (is that true?).

So have we really advanced so much? and if we have advanced is is it REALLY for the benefit of mankind? Again I don't mind if you mock, I am no expert, but it seems to me that mankind has actually (in real terms) gone backwards. Did you know that previous civilisations were actually far more brilliant than us. Most of our technologies are based on their abilities to think, invent etc. We are simply applying to new technologies what they have provided. Why are we so arrogant to think we are more advanced than they were? Again, just raising the question.

John, this is probably your most ridiculous post yet, and confirms your anti-science stance. But this doesn't really surprise me, because dimissing all modern science is the only way of justifying your theories on the age of the earth, etc.

So the answer to your question is emphatically YES! Science has given immense benefit to mankind. Where would you like me to start? Anti-biotics. Sewerage systems. Clean water. Agricultural systems capable of feeding billions. An understanding of the laws of nature. The capability to travel the world and communicate with people thousands of miles away. A huge wealth of information available at the touch of a button. I could go on.....

What has religion given us? Very little, when compared to the above.

[aposhark]

Everton vs Lillipud.......

Where's the popcorn????

You know Dom, I was brought up in Liverpool and spent most of my young life there playing football.
We always had friendly banter as half the kids wore Everton shirts, the other Liverpool shirts.
It was fun in those days, OK, we gave each other some stick (Us blues had to take more stick than them, believe me) but we never lost friends because of it.
If you can't take it, don't dish it out.
I am enjoying how we are moving up the table year on year, we don't have the money they have from their success over the years (maybe this money is going to be harder for them to spend if you believe what the papers print) but it will be always be friendly for me, just a bit sad to see so many younger fans on both sides hating each other these days.
Maybe it's because "they" are all from out of town! ( sorry Keith :-) )

[John Chingford]

John, this is probably your most ridiculous post yet, and confirms your anti-science stance. But this doesn't really surprise me, because dimissing all modern science is the only way of justifying your theories on the age of the earth, etc.

So the answer to your question is emphatically YES! Science has given immense benefit to mankind. Where would you like me to start? Anti-biotics. Sewerage systems. Clean water. Agricultural systems capable of feeding billions. An understanding of the laws of nature. The capability to travel the world and communicate with people thousands of miles away. A huge wealth of information available at the touch of a button. I could go on.....

What has religion given us? Very little, when compared to the above.

You miss my point. I do not deny that technology has produced amazing results. My point is: AT WHAT COST". The speed and pressures of life put upon us by these breakthroughs are actually creating a society of stressed people. I think computers are great (when they are working properly). However, technology is also enabling a big brother society.

Ok, I know it is good against crime, but it is also misused. Our right to privacy is invaded much more. I pointed out that many more people are becoming stressed and pychologically ill because of todays society. Since the 1960's (the cold war)(and now because of radical Islam many are in fear of the nuclear threat and WMD, making a less stable world.

So I am not saying that there are not advantages but I wonder if they are worth it in the full scheme of things. However, I am thankful that I have the opportunity through technology to submit my thoughts.

[John Chingford]

And most important of all, technology can only prolong life but cannot prevent death. Actually maybe the result of technology produces MORE deaths than it saves?

Christianity offers eternal life. A hope for a better day. Christianity (throughout history because of caring individuals practicing their faith) was in the forefront of abolishing slave trade, introducing hospitals (still are), medicine, child welfare (shaftesbury society, barnardos etc) shall I go on ......... lol

[Alan]

This is the only contribution I am going to make on this thread.

PLEASE can you all 'kiss and make up.'

I was on a forum when I was in Dumaguete and I left because of all the 'In-house bickering and non-conclusive arguments.'

I appreciate 100% that 'free speech' forums are wholly democratic etc...etc... but, can we please all remain 'friends and family' and remember that this is 'filipinouk.'

Also, I admit to my hypocracy because I quite often ramble on about anything BUT 'filipinouk' in most of my postings. However, I try very hard never to get involved in religion, politics (BLOODY LABOUR PARTY) or sex (Yes please.)

Please, I do not want to lose favour with anyone - it is the LAST thing I want to do - but, if differences of opinion arise with, shall I say, SERIOUS and CONTROVERSIAL subjects, that are not wholly popular with the masses on Filipinouk, then could perhaps those 'discussions' take place in PMs?

Maybe I am out of order here, but I enjoy being a member here because of all the pleasure I get from reading and posting. Lately, I have not gained any pleasure from the religious postings here.

Just my point of view guys, criticise if you will - but peace and love eh?

Al.

[Tawi2]

I think I might know the Dumaguete forum your referring to Alan

[KeithD]

In the name of God the church used to murder people who did not accept that the Earth was the center of everything, now with basic scientific physics of motion the church accepts it is not.

Evidence of the EVOLUTION of the church.

[Alan]

I think I might know the Dumaguete forum your referring to Alan

Ah, really? There was far too much arguing and offensive language - maybe I had better not expand on this. One never knows who is reading.

Al.

[jimeve]

I think I might know the Dumaguete forum your referring to Alan

never heard of it.

[Tawi2]

I am in Dumaguete every year You ever pop into happy freds?There was always loads of arguing on that forum,I never joined,I just used to read it for the adverts,but the germans,americans,swedish etc always used to be bickering.

[jimeve]

I am in Dumaguete every year You ever pop into happy freds?There was always loads of arguing on that forum,I never joined,I just used to read it for the adverts,but the germans,americans,swedish etc always used to be bickering.

I go there every year also tawi2, got property there, well at least my wife has.lol

[aromulus]

Lately, I have not gained any pleasure from the religious postings here.
.

You are not the only one, mate.

It is doing my head in.

[Tawi2]

I go there every year also tawi2, got property there, well at least my wife has.lol

Small world Jim,I am normally just over the water on Siquijor,and pop over to Duma a few times a week to visit superlees on perdices for decent shopping.

[jimeve]

Small world Jim,I am normally just over the water on Siquijor,and pop over to Duma a few times a week to visit superlees on perdices for decent shopping.

Siquijor, beautiful island, I have day trips there, lovely sandy beaches.

[Tawi2]

Yeah,some nice ones,Sandugan theres a great place called Paradise Beach owned by Brian,a guy from Leicester Salagdoong is over-rated,when I first went there in the very early 1990's there were no vehicles apart from motorbikes on the enitre island,and the roads were upper-class dirt tracks,its all changed now

[somebody]

In the name of God the church used to murder people who did not accept that the Earth was the center of everything, now with basic scientific physics of motion the church accepts it is not.

Evidence of the EVOLUTION of the church.

Didn't the christian religion evolve from a cult into what it is today?

[jimeve]

I will stay over night next time and visit Paradise beach, (pushing the boat out now) lol

[somebody]

As mentioned above I have sent the posts in answer to the criticisms. So that it does not tie up this thread and so that you do not read it if you don't want to, I have placed the answers under a new thread entitled:

Great Evolution Deception Thread Replies To Criticisms

If you want to read it, please read it there. If it upsets you, just ignore it!

It does not upset me but many of us enjoy the freedom we have on this forum to debate if we think that someone posts need replying to. Or are we not allowed to hold differing views? Thankfully the church lost the power to stop people holding different views to it a good few years ago. If you post on a open forum expect for them to be questioned and debated by others in a polite manner.

I cover the topics on:

new evidence found by scientists concluding dinosaurs did not evolve into birds


evidence and reasons why carbon dating supports a young earth

the grand canyon evidence supports a young earth giving evidence of a noahic global flood

why the bible is trustworthy

[jimeve]

thought we nearly high jacked the thread.

[Tawi2]

Paradise is cheap,brians not actually there at the moment,he is back here due to ill health,but the cottages he has built on that beach are fantastic,also right next to them are Matts guest houses,Kaarlsons guest house,Matts is back in Sweden but they both have care takersmthe island has never really advertised itself for tourists,theres always the mananangal and barang stigma,but its all superstition,once people realise that the place will take off

[somebody]

John, this is probably your most ridiculous post yet, and confirms your anti-science stance. But this doesn't really surprise me, because dimissing all modern science is the only way of justifying your theories on the age of the earth, etc.

So the answer to your question is emphatically YES! Science has given immense benefit to mankind. Where would you like me to start? Anti-biotics. Sewerage systems. Clean water. Agricultural systems capable of feeding billions. An understanding of the laws of nature. The capability to travel the world and communicate with people thousands of miles away. A huge wealth of information available at the touch of a button. I could go on.....

What has religion given us? Very little, when compared to the above.

Christainity didn't even give us Easter eggs or christmas it just evolved them from the religions and beliefs people had for thousands of years before Jesus

[aromulus]

new evidence found by scientists concluding dinosaurs did not evolve into birds

evidence and reasons why carbon dating supports a young earth

the grand canyon evidence supports a young earth giving evidence of a noahic global flood

why the bible is trustworthy

John, with all due respect.

You are entitled to your views and opinions, but now I feel that you are being delusional, and definitively reading the wrong sort of stuff.

I admire your blind belief, but I reckon it is now the time and age, to wake up and smell the coffee....

What you are preaching is worse than fundamentalism.
You do not seem to entertain other people's scientifically proven facts, but hide behind biblical texts and quotes.

Open your eyes and mind, science is an absolute.