The Great Evolution Deception

[John Chingford]

This is the problem with those who want to reject the bible. They throw anything out that doesn't make sense to their finite minds and make assumptions about what they read. The bible does not say that every animal that has ever existed was on the ark, nor does it say that every species was in the ark. The bible does not argue against species evolving, but it states that originally two of every animal went into the ark, ie 2 dogs may have evolved into different type of dogs. In otherwords dogs make dogs, cats make cats, dinos make dinos. Regarding T REX, it probably died in the flood but smaller versions of dinos may have entered. Regarding T Rex being a meat eater. How do you know? Because it had big teeth - no proof it was ferocious. When God first made the animals they were as pets for man. The full decay caused by sin changed tamed animals ferocious, but how do we know for sure that the ferocious animals we now know were always that way? Regards the Ark, did you know that it was about half the size of the QE2, and very high, plenty of room for all types of animal. We cannot judge the bible or what things were like at that time by todays theories or experiences. We need to know the actual facts

[Tawi2]

I dont think anyone ever kept a T-rex as a pet John,imagine cleaning up Rex-poo Its bad enough with the dog in the park never mind having to carry a bin-bag around T-rex had those sharp,serated teeth for a reason,and it wasnt to eat lentil soup,look at its living relatives,Komodos,when I went to komodo,flores,and Rinca years ago we bought a goat,it was legal then though its not allowed now,we took the goat to the dry-gully where the dragons were used to being fed..................

[Tawi2]

Didnt they think they had found the remnants of the ark high up on Mt Ararat? Wheres Indie when you need him

[joebloggs]

john how do you know it was half the size of the QE2? did you see it ?
and how long did it take Noah to build it then ?

the QE2 would have taken years to build with modern machinery, how long would it have taken Noah and his family to build an ark half the size, decades ?

[bornatbirth]

i was speaking to a very old friend of mine the other day,i mean hes as old as the bible.

and funny you mention it he told me about his pet t-rex who was very well behaved until one day he ate his wife!

so sadly t-rexs dont make very good pets?

[Pepe n Pilar]

What part of "And of every living creature of every sort of flesh, two of each, you will bring into the ark" (Gen. 6:19) would lead you to suppose that every species was not represented? That is what The Bible purports. And of course, he had to feed them all for seven months and seventeen days - still think the ark was big enough?

[John Chingford]

I dont know about all creationist groups. I have to admit that I don't hold onto many of their arguments. However, Answers In Genesis are different. They don't just make unsubstantiated arguments but have a very strong foundation for their reasoning based on things happening in our day. They examine and test rocks, fossils etc etc which have developed before their very eyes. Were they there when these things were formed? Yes they were. That is the difference. Forget what other creationists have said in the past. I challenge you to examine all the arguments presented by AIG. Maybe you are scared to check it out (joking) lol

[Tawi2]

Noah must have been knee-deep in dung

[John Chingford]

john how do you know it was half the size of the QE2? did you see it ?
and how long did it take Noah to build it then ?

the QE2 would have taken years to build with modern machinery, how long would it have taken Noah and his family to build an ark half the size, decades ?

The bible does not state how long it took Noah to build the ark. It does state that he was 600 when the flood came. Did you know that the remains of the ark has been seen on top of mount Ararat but because of political reasons in Turkey the site is closed off

[Tawi2]

John,if you scroll back I mentioned about Mt Ararat,but because the place is close to the iraq border and the kurds are a little edgy its not allowed for archaeological teams to enter But they have done in the past

[Pepe n Pilar]

Perhaps it would be easier to accept what the Bible says if it wasn't so full of contradictions. That is certainly not the case with most science texts. :-)

[John Chingford]

What part of "And of every living creature of every sort of flesh, two of each, you will bring into the ark" (Gen. 6:19) would lead you to suppose that every species was not represented? That is what The Bible purports. And of course, he had to feed them all for seven months and seventeen days - still think the ark was big enough?

We are measuring how many animals existed at that time by how many exist today. For example God said choose 7 of every kind of bird. Obviously, today there are much more than 7 types of bird. After 4000 years those 7 types of bird have evolved into hundreds or is it thousands of types of bird?

Maybe there were just enough animals, birds etc sufficient to be the root of every future species evolving from the root of each kind of animal? For example zebras come from the horse root? Again I am no scientist, but it makes sense to me. It makes more sense to believe in God who created all things and if God created all things He is therefore fully capable of ensuring that the bible will be trustworthy for all generations

[Tawi2]

The bible is a book written by men about men,you know how documents change over the years,Thou shalt not kill,Thou shalt not commit adultry,Thou shalt no shag your neighbours wife etc are all social rules,not made by a higher being called god
Mt Ararat was closed to archaeologists in 1991 after 5 were kidnapped by kurds,the CIA published a 15 page document called "The Ararat Anomaly" they concluded the "Ark" was just an unusually shaped rock formation,and was no where near the size of the biblical ark

[Tawi2]

We are measuring how many animals existed at that time by how many exist today. For example God said choose 7 of every kind of bird. Obviously, today there are much more than 7 types of bird. After 4000 years those 7 types of bird have evolved into hundreds or is it thousands of types of bird?

Maybe there were just enough animals, birds etc sufficient to be the root of every future species evolving from the root of each kind of animal? For example zebras come from the horse root? Again I am no scientist, but it makes sense to me. It makes more sense to believe in God who created all things and if God created all things He is therefore fully capable of ensuring that the bible will be trustworthy for all generations

Birds originally evolved from reptiles John,and how does an eagle evolve from a Lyre-bird for example?

[joebloggs]

After 4000 years those 7 types of bird have evolved into hundreds or is it thousands of types of bird?

and what about my Neanderthal man was he on the ark ? if he was did he evolve in 4000years to what we are today ?

maybe Noah used them to build the ark ?

[John Chingford]

I am yet to be shown a contradiction in the bible that cannot be explained. Indeed, archeology today is presenting answers to many of those so called contradictions. Let us stop measuring yesterdays society by todays standards. History and its ideas change. In same way, one generation and the terminology or jargon they use, changes from generation to generation. It means that we cannot always think we understand what the authors are describing in there text without some background information. Life NOW is totally different.

[Tawi2]

Johm,archaeology is now actually presenting answers that the bible is a work of fiction

[John Chingford]

Birds originally evolved from reptiles John,and how does an eagle evolve from a Lyre-bird for example?

How do you know that eagles evolved from reptiles? Were you there? Again AIG website gives a convincing argument to show that reptiles could NOT have evolved into birds.

[jimeve]

Neanderthal man was European origin, and modern man was from Africa,
according to the history channel

[John Chingford]

and what about my Neanderthal man was he on the ark ? if he was did he evolve in 4000years to what we are today ?

maybe Noah used them to build the ark ?

Have you checked out the web page I gave you about Neanderthal man? There are other materials on that site that may answer your question. I dont know the answer to that question myself

[Tawi2]

The original birds John evolved from reptiles,theres enough fossil evidence No,I wasnt there,but there again,neither were you My father always said religion is for weak willed people who cant believe in themselves so they cling to this desperate ideology of a "Higher being" I never believed in the bible john,nor god,nor jesus for that matter,but I do believe in T-rex

[Tawi2]

There is documented proof that the "Boat" on the slopes of Ararat is an unusual rock formation,theres plenty of photographic evidence to show it

[jimeve]

How do you know that eagles evolved from reptiles? Were you there? Again AIG website gives a convincing argument to show that reptiles could NOT have evolved into birds.

we all evolved from a single cell. in the ocean. thats how life began.

crikey don't you watch the docs on tv

[Tawi2]

When I was a kid I went to quarrington quarry in county durham with the school fossil hunting,I found several fossils a hundred feet from the roof of the quarry,fossilised in sedimentary rock how do you explain them john,a hundred foot below the surface of the soil?

[jimeve]

The original birds John evolved from reptiles,theres enough fossil evidence No,I wasnt there,but there again,neither were you My father always said religion is for weak willed people who cant believe in themselves so they cling to this desperate ideology of a "Higher being" I never believed in the bible john,nor god,nor jesus for that matter,but I do believe in T-rex

shame he crashed.

[Tawi2]

Not Marc Bolan,I mean the dinosaurs that neanderthal men kept as pets

[Tawi2]

The title of the thread john should actually be "The great biblical deception" because you cant just explain away evolution etc as easily as that

[jimeve]

Not Marc Bolan,I mean the dinosaurs that neanderthal men kept as pets

couldn't resist

[Pepe n Pilar]

We are measuring how many animals existed at that time by how many exist today. For example God said choose 7 of every kind of bird. Obviously, today there are much more than 7 types of bird. After 4000 years those 7 types of bird have evolved into hundreds or is it thousands of types of bird?

Maybe there were just enough animals, birds etc sufficient to be the root of every future species evolving from the root of each kind of animal? For example zebras come from the horse root? Again I am no scientist, but it makes sense to me. It makes more sense to believe in God who created all things and if God created all things He is therefore fully capable of ensuring that the bible will be trustworthy for all generations

Sorry John - I think what he meant was choose 7 of every species of bird, just as he asked them to choose 2 of every species of animal, not that there were only 7 species in total. Evolving all the species we have today from only 7 in 6,000 years would be some feat!

Incidentally, birds evolved from dinosaurs, not reptiles.

[Tawi2]

Dinosaur's were reptiles,the word translates into terrible lizard,a lizard is a reptile