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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawi2 View Post
    Paradise is cheap,brians not actually there at the moment,he is back here due to ill health,but the cottages he has built on that beach are fantastic,also right next to them are Matts guest houses,Kaarlsons guest house,Matts is back in Sweden but they both have care takersmthe island has never really advertised itself for tourists,theres always the mananangal and barang stigma,but its all superstition,once people realise that the place will take off
    As long as there's cold SMB , and lots of it, im not superstitious, wont go in Halloween thou.


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    Quote Originally Posted by John Chingford View Post
    Hi BlueBirdJones. Again respect to you! By the way, Ken Ham is the CEO of AIG. This means that he is in charge. I know that he is not so qualified as you would like him to be, but he doesn't need to be that qualified as virtually all the articles are written by those he trusts (who are highly qualified) and even what he does write is information he gathers from his experts. The articles are written by VERY qualified people. I checked out the credentials of one of his experts. If you are interested I could post you his name and you could check him out yourself. Regarding Ken's comment that he doesn't want peoples opinions. I think that may be misquoted. As I do not know him I cannot know what he meant, but I would guess he actually said "I am not interested in your opinions (theories) but your factual evidences". If that is what he said, I think that would be a fair comment.

    For everybody else who have posted to this thread: a number of statements or criticisms have been made that I cannot remain silent about. There may be innocent people (members or non members) who read the things said and may be influenced by inaccurate information. I need to respond to all these criticisms, for the sake of the innocent ones who have received incomplete information. It is only right because many of you are trying to make a laughing stock out of christianity with your mocking replies.

    According to the scriptures Christians are encouraged to contend for the faith if our faith is put on trial. It seems that many of you are putting us on trial. Therefore, I have spent quite a lot of time over the last few days finding articles which (with respect) give strong arguments against the claims you have made. I have put these together and intend to post them soon. Now you don't have to read them if you dont want to, but for the sake of those who are interested I will post it. I think they will find it very informative.
    Jeez the CEO of AIG i hope he is better at finding out the facts than insuring. £47 billion baill out and still in troubel even worse sponsering Man utd.

    Doesn't some of the AIG model and what has happened seem to be anti christian i thought taking intrest from others money etc Jesus didn't like?

    I mean they were insuring money lending weren't they (well not very well it seems)

    Heres a funny post seems some yank Christains think AIG are anti Christian

    http://www.insurancejournal.com/news...2/16/96349.htm
    Oh lord why did you make so many clothes and shoe shops


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    This is the only contribution I am going to make on this thread.

    PLEASE can you all 'kiss and make up.'

    I was on a forum when I was in Dumaguete and I left because of all the 'In-house bickering and non-conclusive arguments.'

    I appreciate 100% that 'free speech' forums are wholly democratic etc...etc... but, can we please all remain 'friends and family' and remember that this is 'filipinouk.'

    Also, I admit to my hypocracy because I quite often ramble on about anything BUT 'filipinouk' in most of my postings. However, I try very hard never to get involved in religion, politics (BLOODY LABOUR PARTY) or sex (Yes please.)

    Please, I do not want to lose favour with anyone - it is the LAST thing I want to do - but, if differences of opinion arise with, shall I say, SERIOUS and CONTROVERSIAL subjects, that are not wholly popular with the masses on Filipinouk, then could perhaps those 'discussions' take place in PMs?

    Maybe I am out of order here, but I enjoy being a member here because of all the pleasure I get from reading and posting. Lately, I have not gained any pleasure from the religious postings here.

    Just my point of view guys, criticise if you will - but peace and love eh?

    Al.
    Hi Alan,

    We have met and you seem like a nice person and your comments are always interesting and often funny.

    I have mentioned many times that if religious people refrain from trying to brainwash the non-believers here, then this forum would be a lot healthier.
    But you see Alan, they continue to try to spout off about this, that and the other.
    They should not be allowed to continue without rebuttal as many others find it boring and often distasteful.
    It is their call Alan, many of us have Filipina wives and girlfriends and many wish they would concentrate on non-religious subjects.
    I don't think one atheist has ever started a thread about how religious people should be atheists.
    Once again Alan, it is their call.....


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    Iam not religious and not against any persons religious believes, but,

    STOP PREACHING. I was a little religious thinking there might be a god,
    but now I know, there's no such thing.

    thanks to this thread. I no longer have any religious beliefs, thanks John.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    This is the only contribution I am going to make on this thread.

    PLEASE can you all 'kiss and make up.'

    I was on a forum when I was in Dumaguete and I left because of all the 'In-house bickering and non-conclusive arguments.'

    I appreciate 100% that 'free speech' forums are wholly democratic etc...etc... but, can we please all remain 'friends and family' and remember that this is 'filipinouk.'

    Also, I admit to my hypocracy because I quite often ramble on about anything BUT 'filipinouk' in most of my postings. However, I try very hard never to get involved in religion, politics (BLOODY LABOUR PARTY) or sex (Yes please.)

    Please, I do not want to lose favour with anyone - it is the LAST thing I want to do - but, if differences of opinion arise with, shall I say, SERIOUS and CONTROVERSIAL subjects, that are not wholly popular with the masses on Filipinouk, then could perhaps those 'discussions' take place in PMs?

    Maybe I am out of order here, but I enjoy being a member here because of all the pleasure I get from reading and posting. Lately, I have not gained any pleasure from the religious postings here.

    Just my point of view guys, criticise if you will - but peace and love eh?

    Al.
    Indeed peace love and jammy dodgers to all

    But the posts which start of the 5 million pages are as aposhark mentions and many others the ones that try to preach to us.

    If a lady or gentleman starts one wishing a happy easter or happy ramadan etc. Im all for wishing them a great day and will often ask how they celebrate it and as i wish to learn how others do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimeve View Post
    thanks to this thread. I no longer have any religious beliefs, thanks John.
    See what you done now...???

    You burst his bubble.........



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    Quote Originally Posted by somebody View Post
    Didn't the christian religion evolve from a cult into what it is today?
    That would have been 6001BC......not enough time so never happened
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    Quote Originally Posted by Win2Win View Post
    That would have been 6001BC......not enough time so never happened
    so how come some stalagmites seem to be from calculations to have taken more than ten thousand years to form


    Did they possibly just hang there in space before the cave existed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimeve View Post
    Iam not religious and not against any persons religious believes, but,

    STOP PREACHING. I was a little religious thinking there might be a god,
    but now I know, there's no such thing.

    thanks to this thread. I no longer have any religious beliefs, thanks John.
    same here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by somebody View Post
    Did they possibly just hang there in space before the cave existed?
    Space didn't exist back then either!

    So it was empty infiinity, but as we are here now, empty infinity obviously didn't exist either!
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    so how did it all start?

    wheres that link john posted!
    i have learnt to do what my wife says!


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    I hope John is not watching BBC 2 at the moment. They have found communities of people that lived over 14,000 years old they must have lived in empty infinty
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    Quote Originally Posted by somebody View Post
    I hope John is not watching BBC 2 at the moment. They have found communities of people that lived over 14,000 years old they must have lived in empty infinty
    He'll just say that you shouldn't believe everything you read online or on the TV as they are trying to brainwash you.

    Which is a bit rich coming from someone who seems to believe without question the contents of the AIG website


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    How do we know how old the bible is? Because we can follow back the history lines....which could all be faked, the bible may only have been written just before we were all born! We have no proof it wasn't.

    If you do accepts it was written 2000 years ago, then by using exactly the same timelines, with similar levels of proof, we go back 6000, 8000, 10000+ years

    If you are looking for an old table and you go into an antique shop, and the seller says "this one is 300 years old", how do you know? You have no proof, you just believe the 'expert', it could have been made in China the week before, in the same factory they 'wrote' the Bible in 1864!
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    I would always believe science with a few failings than religion with many failings.

    Anyway, he is not spouting off anymore. All he has done is alienated some believers.

    It is a lesson to be learnt, a painful one at that.


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    Dude, I read some you your posting with an unbridled measure of incredulty and an astonishing level of naiety on my part, in spite of your previous postings. Quite how you accrete such a predigious mass of inauspicious inaccuracies almost defies belief.

    Observe:

    Quote Originally Posted by aposhark View Post
    .....religious people refrain from trying to brainwash the non-believers here.....
    Brainwash you into what? Please elucidate the regular materialisation of what you espouse above. To desire or even attempt to transform your attitude and beliefs totally, has not been sought by anyone to my knowledge.

    The fundamental issue is that some have made statements which for what ever reason you have an issue with. You have adopted tactics including rudeness to challenge those who have said things you did not like. Fair enough that is your character.

    In response, you have been presented with well thought out information which you seem unable to comprehend and challenge intelligently so you resort to saying that you are being preached to, the responses are boring and that a particular individual is a nutter. No matter what ones views are as far as religion is concerned, that is disrespectful and rude.

    Just because someone attempts to discuss in a robust and well thought out manner does not mean someone is preaching. You asked for evidence and then when you get someone trying to present it to you you disregard it as mumbo-jumbo and use other derogatory terms to try to mask the fact that you cannot deal with anything that challenges you to measure your responses. You have asuggested that religious views are based upon nothing more than delusional emotions (although not put quite so eloquently yet seem determined to provoke emotion in an attempt to steer focus away from what you cannot contend with.

    The folly that some of us made on here was to attempt to reason/debate an issue freely with an individual wo knows absolutely nothing about the subject he is waxing on about. Have you read the bible at all let alone thoroughly? I suspect not. Have you researched the extant academic literature on either side of the subject? Your failure to engage in an informed manner leads one to conclude that you have not. When someone knows so little about a subject area what good is debating with them! When some non-believers attempted to present their points well noone accused them of preaching or trying to brainwash. I for one acknowledged certain comments from JudyHon as being well put and was grateful that they were not made rudely.


    Had you made it clear that the discourse was to be conducted on anything other than an informed basis many of us would have veered away from it. The signs were there however when you demonstrated your over simplistic view of the world through uninformed use of the terms religion, faith, Christianity, Catholicism, the Church as being synonomus and in a current context.

    Even your signature is designed for one singular purpose - to cause offence. Why would anyone so deliberately want to do that - especially when it directly offends what their supposed loved one/wife believes in? I just don't get it. Have you been scarred in some way by someting we are unaware of. Why do you have so much anger within? Anyway, I do sincerely wish the best for you in spite of our differences.


    Quote Originally Posted by aposhark View Post
    ......they continue to try to spout off about this, that and the other....it boring and often distasteful.
    Speaks for its itself.


    Quote Originally Posted by aposhark View Post
    ....many of us have Filipina wives and girlfriends and many wish they would concentrate on non-religious subjects......
    Not the first time that you've related Filipina wives and girlfriends to religion. I'm surprised that you keep raising this given what you said previously about your own wife understanding how things are.

    Quote Originally Posted by aposhark View Post
    .....I don't think one atheist has ever started a thread about how religious people should be atheists......
    To my knowledge no so-called religious person has ever started a tread about how athiests, non-believers, agnostics, etc. (there are differences) should be believers.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimeve View Post
    STOP PREACHING
    Clearly, you are suggesting that anyone who is trying to convert another to their own beliefs whether believer or not should stop trying to do so. I share the same perspective.

    Quote Originally Posted by somebody View Post
    If a lady or gentleman starts one wishing a happy easter or happy ramadan etc. Im all for wishing them a great day and will often ask how they celebrate it and as i wish to learn how others do.
    That is a fundamental difference between you and some others. I agree with you. This is how we all learn, demonstrate tolerance and respect for others and also see the real beauty that heterogeneity brings.

    Some of my closest friends are non-believers. We never have any issues as they admire the differences between us, are well travelled, tolerant and demostrate love to all without rudeness.

    Quote Originally Posted by aposhark View Post
    I would always believe science with a few failings than religion with many failings......All he has done is alienated some believers.
    You clearly think that science and religion are mutually exclusive! Hmmn! I am very evidently a scientist! Hmmn!!! And what research have you conducted to enable you make such an informed conclusion that some believers have been so alienated? Why do you make such unfounded statements as these? Anyways, no doubt your response which will ignore the specifics of wat I have said and fail to be constructive on any level and will also add to what we already know.


    As has been explained ad infinitum we all have choices. Choices to read, choices to express our thoughts, etc.

    I'm no longer going to respond to non-constructive or rude postings. I will however, continue to be me and stay true to my faith. If in doing so I inadvertantly use a loving term like God bless you in application to someone for whom the term is inappropriate or offensive please tell me politely and I will happily not use use the term in your context again.

    God bless you to all that want to be so addressed and peace to all others! I think we are all one no matter which side of the same coin we think we are on.

    Good fortune to everyone on here; I hope the sun is shining where you are - it is here. Pollen count is high also. Btw, does anyone get hayfever in da phils?
    Be responsible with little so that you can be trusted with much!!
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    Sorry Piamed,

    I don't read your posts anymore, because they are full of fairy stories, and idealogy without any proof.
    Give everyone here some proof, PLEASE......
    Once again, "god" cannot bless me because "it" does not exist......

    Spend your energies on this telling us other things.
    Bible thumpers never learn..........

    But, the rest of the UK population IS getting wiser because numbers at churches are lessening.


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    Quote Originally Posted by somebody View Post
    Jeez the CEO of AIG i hope he is better at finding out the facts than insuring. £47 billion baill out and still in troubel even worse sponsering Man utd.

    Doesn't some of the AIG model and what has happened seem to be anti christian i thought taking intrest from others money etc Jesus didn't like?

    I mean they were insuring money lending weren't they (well not very well it seems)

    Heres a funny post seems some yank Christains think AIG are anti Christian

    http://www.insurancejournal.com/news...2/16/96349.htm
    That website link you gave above is about American International Group (another AIG). The group I was talking about was Answers In Genesis .
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    Quote Originally Posted by aposhark View Post
    Sorry Piamed,

    I don't read your posts anymore, because they are full of fairy stories, and idealogy without any proof.
    Give everyone here some proof, PLEASE......
    Once again, "god" cannot bless me because "it" does not exist......

    Spend your energies on this telling us other things.
    Bible thumpers never learn..........

    But, the rest of the UK population IS getting wiser because numbers at churches are lessening.
    Right.

    By now some of you probably know me as the former mod WalesRob, well now I am plain old ukgangster. So the truth is out.

    One of the reasons I stopped being a mod on this forum was I was sick and tired of all this fighting about religion, and here you are all, at it again.

    Why can't you all just get along and accept that some people DO believe in God,blah blah and some don't. I thought the UK was supposed be a tolerant society, but sadly not when it comes to religion.

    Aposhark, you have shown again how bigoted and ignorant you are by rubbishing other peoples beliefs and I quote

    "Sorry Piamed,

    I don't read your posts anymore, because they are full of fairy stories, and idealogy without any proof."

    Now, if Piamed wants to believe in God and the fairy stories, thats up to him, you have no right to tell him he's wrong and same vice versa.


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    Quote Originally Posted by John Chingford View Post
    That website link you gave above is about American International Group (another AIG). The group I was talking about was Answers In Genesis .
    John, about time we draw this thread to a close.
    Not all people appreciate or agree with your theological meanderings.

    It is creating divisions and jeopadizing virtual and actual friendships.

    This site, it is my strong belief, was not created for debating religion but to help Phil-brit couples to be together.

    Your input in this respect is very valuable, but forays into religious debates are not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    This is the only contribution I am going to make on this thread.

    PLEASE can you all 'kiss and make up.'

    I was on a forum when I was in Dumaguete and I left because of all the 'In-house bickering and non-conclusive arguments.'

    I appreciate 100% that 'free speech' forums are wholly democratic etc...etc... but, can we please all remain 'friends and family' and remember that this is 'filipinouk.'

    Also, I admit to my hypocracy because I quite often ramble on about anything BUT 'filipinouk' in most of my postings. However, I try very hard never to get involved in religion, politics (BLOODY LABOUR PARTY) or sex (Yes please.)

    Please, I do not want to lose favour with anyone - it is the LAST thing I want to do - but, if differences of opinion arise with, shall I say, SERIOUS and CONTROVERSIAL subjects, that are not wholly popular with the masses on Filipinouk, then could perhaps those 'discussions' take place in PMs?

    Maybe I am out of order here, but I enjoy being a member here because of all the pleasure I get from reading and posting. Lately, I have not gained any pleasure from the religious postings here.

    Just my point of view guys, criticise if you will - but peace and love eh?

    Al.
    Thank you Alan, this is the only sensible post in this thread.


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    And the wind-up merchant......

    Please keep off the grass.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aromulus View Post
    John, about time we draw this thread to a close.
    Not all people appreciate or agree with your theological meanderings.

    It is creating divisions and jeopadizing virtual and actual friendships.

    This site, it is my strong belief, was not created for debating religion but to help Phil-brit couples to be together.

    Your input in this respect is very valuable, but forays into religious debates are not.
    Dom, no offence mate, but you really should have locked this thread a long time ago, but then Keith would have unlocked it again, being the troublemaker he is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ukgangster View Post
    Dom, no offence mate, but you really should have locked this thread a long time ago, but then Keith would have unlocked it again, being the troublemaker he is.
    Don't I know it by now.......


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    Quote Originally Posted by Piamed View Post
    Btw, does anyone get hayfever in da phils?
    I normally get hay fever in June every year (got it now, but thanks to Loratadine its under control), however when I was in Tacloban in June 2004, I had no hay fever at all, same thing back in 1993 when I was working in Malta for the summer - no hay fever, so I can only assume its a problem in the UK.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ukgangster View Post
    I normally get hay fever in June every year (got it now, but thanks to Loratadine its under control), however when I was in Tacloban in June 2004, I had no hay fever at all, same thing back in 1993 when I was working in Malta for the summer - no hay fever, so I can only assume its a problem in the UK.
    Genetically Modified crops may be the answer....


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    Quote Originally Posted by ukgangster View Post
    Right.

    By now some of you probably know me as the former mod WalesRob, well now I am plain old ukgangster. So the truth is out.

    One of the reasons I stopped being a mod on this forum was I was sick and tired of all this fighting about religion, and here you are all, at it again.

    Why can't you all just get along and accept that some people DO believe in God,blah blah and some don't. I thought the UK was supposed be a tolerant society, but sadly not when it comes to religion.

    Aposhark, you have shown again how bigoted and ignorant you are by rubbishing other peoples beliefs and I quote

    "Sorry Piamed,

    I don't read your posts anymore, because they are full of fairy stories, and idealogy without any proof."

    Now, if Piamed wants to believe in God and the fairy stories, thats up to him, you have no right to tell him he's wrong and same vice versa.
    I don't think anyone objects to someone having their own beliefs. I certainly don't and can "tolerate" them without any problem. They can go to church and pray in private as often as they wish. My objection is when they introduce their beliefs into debates as matters of fact and without any real reason. There are plenty of religious forums where the converted can discuss these matters to their hearts content. I would rather see those with a religious conviction demonstrate their high morals in practical ways, through their behaviour rather than through words in a non religious forum.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Piamed View Post
    Dude, I read some you your posting with an unbridled measure of incredulty and an astonishing level of naiety on my part, in spite of your previous postings. Quite how you accrete such a predigious mass of inauspicious inaccuracies almost defies belief.

    Observe:


    Brainwash you into what? Please elucidate the regular materialisation of what you espouse above. To desire or even attempt to transform your attitude and beliefs totally, has not been sought by anyone to my knowledge.

    The fundamental issue is that some have made statements which for what ever reason you have an issue with. You have adopted tactics including rudeness to challenge those who have said things you did not like. Fair enough that is your character.

    In response, you have been presented with well thought out information which you seem unable to comprehend and challenge intelligently so you resort to saying that you are being preached to, te responses are boring and that a particular individual is a nutter. No matter what ones views are as far as religion is concerned, that is disrespectful and rude.

    Just because someone attempts to discuss in a robust and well thought out manner does not mean someone is preaching. You asked for evidence and then when you get someone trying to present it to you you disregard it as mumbo-jumbo and use other derogatory terms to try to mask the fact that you cannot deal with anything that challenges you to measure your responses. You have asuggested that religious views are based upon nothing more than delusional emotions (although not put quite so eloquently yet seem determined to provoke emotion in an attempt to steer them away from what you cannot contend with.

    The folly that some of us made on here was to attempt to reason/debate an issue freely with an individual wo knows absolutely nothing about the subject he is waxing on about. Have you read the bible at all let alone thoroughly? I suspect not. Have you researched the extant academic literature on either side of the subject? Your failure to engage in an informed manner leads one to conclude that you have not. When someone knows so little about a subject area what good is debating with them! When some non-believers attempted to present their points well noone accused them of preaching or trying to brainwash. I for one acknowledged certain comments from JudyHon as being well put and was grateful that they were not made rudely.


    Had you made it clear that the discourse was to be conducted on anything other than an informed basis many of us would have veered away from it. The signs were there however when you demonstrated your over simplistic view of the world through uninformed use of the terms religion, faith, Christianity, Catholicism, the Church as being synonomus and in a current context.

    Even your signature is designed for one singular purpose - to cause offence. Why would anyone so deliberately want to do that - especially when it directly offends what their supposed loved one/wife believes in? I just don't get it. Have you been scarred in some way by someting we are unaware of. Why do you have so much anger within? Anyway, I do sincerely wish the best for you in spite of our differences.


    Speaks for its itself.


    Not the first time that you've related Filipina wives and girlfriends to religion. I'm surprised that you keep raising this given what you said previously about your own wife understanding how things are.

    To my knowledge no so-called religious person has ever started a tread about how athiests, non-believers, agnostics, etc. (there are differences) should be believers.

    Clearly, you are suggesting that anyone who is trying to convert another to their own beliefs whether believer or not should stop trying to do so. I share the same perspective.

    That is a fundamental difference between you and some others. I agree with you. This is how we all learn, demonstrate tolerance and respect for others and also see the real beauty that heterogeneity brings.

    Some of my closest friends are non-believers. We never have any issues as they admire the differences between us, are well travelled, tolerant and demostrate love to all without rudeness.

    You clearly think that science and religion are mutually exclusive! Hmmn! And what research have you conducted to enable you make such an informed conclusion that some believers have been so alienated? What do you make such unfounded statements? Anyways, no doubt your response which will ignore what i have said and fail to be constructive on any level will tell us everything we need to know.


    As has been explained ad infinitum we all have choices. Choices to read, choices to express our thoughts, etc.

    I'm no longer going to respond to non-constructive or rude postings. I will however, continue to be me and stay true to my faith. If in doing so I inadvertantly use a loving term like God bless you in application to someone for whom the term is inappropriate or offensive please tell me politely and I will happily not use use the term in your context again.

    God bless you to all that want to be so addressed and peace to all others! I think we are all one no matter which side of the same coin we think we are on. G

    ood fortune to everyone on here; I hope the sun is shining where you are - it is here. Pollen count is high also. Btw, does anyone get hayfever in da phils?
    Thanks Brother. You are right! In truth the christians on this site are actually trying to be compassionate, loving and forgiving. We certainly do not intend to be rude. If others think we are, it is just their interpretation, but the truth is we are being courteous. We are just trying to be informative.

    However, maybe we would be respected more if we were also rude and offensive? But for born-again believers, filled by the Holy Spirit it is not possible for us to behave in that way (generally). Everything I say is said in a spirit of compassion, love and peace. I try to hold everyone in respect and well meaning. But as this is an open forum stating that we are free to discuss ANYTHING, then I do not understand why we cannot respect everyone and their views. This does not mean that we shouldn't discuss things , but I agree that it should be done in a kind and pleasant way.

    As there are many believing Filipinas who use this site but maybe feel inadequate to express their feelings well in English, they may be frustrated by so much atheistic talk or some may be unfairly influenced by just hearing one side of the argument. My articles are mostly directed to help THEM and encourage them, to see that there are very STRONG evidencies to support our christian faith.

    You cannot ignore the fact that MOST Filipinas believe in God. As this is a Filipina UK forum you cannot dismiss what matters to them!!!!!!!

    By the way, we committed christians are not threatened by scientific theories and certainly not by those who do not give serious consideration to our well thought out rebuttals to scientific theory. We welcome any rebuttal, but are also entitled to respond with our own rebuttals, surely????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by David House View Post
    I don't think anyone objects to someone having their own beliefs. I certainly don't and can "tolerate" them without any problem. They can go to church and pray in private as often as they wish. My objection is when they introduce their beliefs into debates as matters of fact and without any real reason. There are plenty of religious forums where the converted can discuss these matters to their hearts content. I would rather see those with a religious conviction demonstrate their high morals in practical ways, through their behaviour rather than through words in a non religious forum.
    Hang on, you are contradicting yourself...

    You say you "tolerate" them, but if "they" try to explain what "they" believe you proceed to rubbish them.

    You can't have it both ways.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ukgangster View Post
    I normally get hay fever in June every year (got it now, but thanks to Loratadine its under control), however when I was in Tacloban in June 2004, I had no hay fever at all, same thing back in 1993 when I was working in Malta for the summer - no hay fever, so I can only assume its a problem in the UK.
    Same with me; i only ever seem to suffer in the UK. I guess the grass and tree pollen is uniquely British

    Quote Originally Posted by David House View Post
    I don't think anyone objects to someone having their own beliefs. I certainly don't and can "tolerate" them without any problem. They can go to church and pray in private as often as they wish. My objection is when they introduce their beliefs into debates as matters of fact and without any real reason. There are plenty of religious forums where the converted can discuss these matters to their hearts content. I would rather see those with a religious conviction demonstrate their high morals in practical ways, through their behaviour rather than through words in a non religious forum.
    I appreciate your observations but would say that there were at least two sets of beliefs introduced David. Please note that when population growth and poverty are discussed, it is quite common for a non-believer to introduce the notion that the blame sould be variously apportioned upon the Church, Catholicism, religion, etc. The believers summarily responded with their own view.

    There are several fora where non-believers can discuss to their hearts content. Also, referring to high morals in this context is a tad facetious don't you think!

    Let's be equitable. That is my final contribution.
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