amen!!!!!!!Originally Posted by ukgangster
amen!!!!!!!
As the days of Noah were so shall be the coming of the Son of Man........ When You see these things happening, know that the time is close.
Matthew 24 :
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Rob,
As I have mentioned many times, if there is no mention of religion, there would not have to be many of us who will dispute these fairy stories.
You are a christian and good for you; go to church as much as you want and enjoy your beliefs, it is just that these beliefs are always brought up on this forum.
If christians don't want any rebuttals from us atheists here, don't mention religion.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ON HERE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN RELIGION.
I really do want to get along with everyone here, and I will when this ideology without proof is kept to the proper places.
We will be a "tolerant society" when religion is kept in its proper place, be it church, mosque, synagogue or wherever.
The simple fact that you also unmask yourself is fact again that you do not like to read other people's differing views.
So it goes around and around.
For the Filipinos who come to live in the UK, they will soon realise that most people here would rather not have religion mentioned in company.
As this is a democratic forum as the UK is a democratic country, everybody has the right to speak up, or in this case, type up.
It is simple......It is your call.....
I'm not taking sides here either.
Hi Piamed. Thanks Brother. You are right! In truth the christians on this site are actually trying to be compassionate, loving and forgiving. We certainly do not intend to be rude. If others think we are, it is just their interpretation, but the truth is we are being courteous. We are just trying to be informative.
However, maybe we would be respected more if we were also rude and offensive? But for born-again believers, filled by the Holy Spirit it is not possible for us to behave in that way (generally). Everything I say is said in a spirit of compassion, love and peace. I try to hold everyone in respect and well meaning. But as this is an open forum stating that we are free to discuss ANYTHING, then I do not understand why we cannot respect everyone and their views. This does not mean that we shouldn't discuss things , but I agree that it should be done in a kind and pleasant way.
As there are many believing Filipinas who use this site but maybe feel inadequate to express their feelings well in English, they may be frustrated by so much atheistic talk or some may be unfairly influenced by just hearing one side of the argument. My articles are mostly directed to help THEM and encourage them, to see that there are very STRONG evidencies to support our christian faith.
You cannot ignore the fact that MOST Filipinas believe in God. As this is a Filipina UK forum you cannot dismiss what matters to them!!!!!!!
By the way, we committed christians are not threatened by scientific theories and certainly not by those who do not give serious consideration to our well thought out rebuttals to scientific theory. We welcome any rebuttal, but are also entitled to respond with our own rebuttals, surely????????
As the days of Noah were so shall be the coming of the Son of Man........ When You see these things happening, know that the time is close.
Matthew 24 :
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Who says I'm a Christian????????????????????????????????????? So because I go to Church with Elsa sometimes on Sunday (maybe 5 times a year), thats makes me a Christian??? Now who's displaying ignorance and arrogance in equal measures?
Aposhark if discussing anything religion offends you, don't take part in that discussion, simple, thats what I did. All I can see is that your winding yourself up and probably a few other members on this forum as well, in fact I would say you come across as bitter and angry when it comes to discussing religion.
"A LOT OF PEOPLE ON HERE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN RELIGION."
Your opinion, you have no proof to back that up. Funny that.
Had enough now
I am starting to think that your copy and paste articles are for your benefit only.
I am quite sure of it, a self defense mechanism.
What seem to be most inportant to them in this forum is being re-united with their husbands/fiancees. bringing up kids, finding and keeping jobs, visa processes, sending money to their loved ones at home, asking for advice on a wide variety of day to day issues, recipe swapping, photo swapping, making chika-chika, tampo, bragging back home about how "rich" the banas are, etc.
I disagree on that wholeheartedly.
As you feel extremely threatened by scientific advances, you all seem to retreat in a cocoon or bury your head in the sand.
What you have been doing is preaching, and you justify it by mentioning a self perceived notion that "Filipinas" are in need of it, because they believe in God.
They may well believe in God, but they don't certainly need ill advised sermons.
They are free to worship in their own fashion, whenever they want and wherever they are.
Please do not insult our wives intelligence with that patronizing attitude.
Same attitude I encountered as a child, being fed fairy stories by priests, monks, nuns and suchlike.
To prove a small point.
A photo of my wife's little shrine at home.
Aposhark says that atheism is not deliberately preached on this website. This is strange coming from him. Look at his signature. "Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense."
-- Chapman Cohen
Every time he sends a post he is preaching atheism!!!!!
I don't mind! - everyone to his own. But he should not then complain when we feel we should say something in response
As the days of Noah were so shall be the coming of the Son of Man........ When You see these things happening, know that the time is close.
Matthew 24 :
Check Out My Blogsite For Evidence Why The Bible Can Be Trusted
ukgangster, you go to church in the UK so I believe you are a "christian".
Sorry if you find this assumption incorrect.
It is a democratic country and a democratic forum, so I reply.
I am not "winding myself or others up" - religious types just cannot accept that many here and in society at large just aren't interested any longer.
I am not bitter or angry, I feel very calm and focused on the "real" things in life - not religious mumbo-jumbo.
I am replying to you and others with similar beliefs to ask you to keep these beliefs to yourselves and voice your opinions in places where they will be appreciated.
What is so difficult for you to understand about this?
Seems pretty simple to me.
John,
Thankyou for noticing my signature.
I originally had it as "One Life, Live It", but I noticed so many quotes from the bible in many other's signatures, I thought it would be good to get a little balance into the general flavour of this forum.
Thanks once again for reading my comments.
Hi Aromulus. Let me first say that I think this website is absolutely amazing for information, debate etc. I LOVE IT!!!!!! As you are the boss, I must respect YOUR wishes.
Actually, I have been trying to bring the topic to an end myself, but every time I try, someone raises a question or statement (put in my direction). Is it not fair that I respond to it?
Or is this website changing direction to a tolerant site only for non christians to say whatever they want but christians cannot? Is that not discrimination against quite a high number of people on this website? However, if you do not want me to say anymore on this thread I will stop now. But if I am criticised further - especially when someone says "see. John cannot answer that" it will be hard for me not to respond.
Respect to you. I do understand what you are trying to do ie keep it all friendly. I accept that and agree with you. Everything I say, I say in a friendly way. If angry people respond badly - maybe the issue is inside them, not the fault of the topic
As the days of Noah were so shall be the coming of the Son of Man........ When You see these things happening, know that the time is close.
Matthew 24 :
Check Out My Blogsite For Evidence Why The Bible Can Be Trusted
It a discussion between people of differing beliefs, not fighting, that is a different meaning altogether. And as long as no one directly slates another it is fine and healthy to talk about things like this on a free democratic forum, it certainly wouldn't be allowed in China, N Korea, Iran, etc
Piamed, most children are brainwashed with religion in this country from the day they learn to listen, you can't even go to a primary school that isn't in some way related to religion. I know been through, had it shoved down my throat, was baptised without my permission, basically forced into confimation by my peers, and all that is nothing short of mental child abuse.
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No problem! My answers are written because I respect you enough to take what you say seriously. I have no problem with your signature. I also think debate is healthy if spoken calmy and pleasantly
As the days of Noah were so shall be the coming of the Son of Man........ When You see these things happening, know that the time is close.
Matthew 24 :
Check Out My Blogsite For Evidence Why The Bible Can Be Trusted
I have only ever felt the need to respond to statements I believe are incorrect. I would much prefer not to have to do so, because those statements were not made in the first place. I "tolerate" the believers but only when they keep their beliefs to themselves. I think anyone can believe, and do, whatever they wish to provided it does not impact upon others in any way at all. It is when those beliefs are aired as justifications for taking a particular course that I find objectionable. I don't feel there is any contradiction in that position. I repeat what I said before. Beliefs are personal and should be kept that way. If we all followed that, as a golden rule, the whole world would be a better place in my opinion.
Yep, the website is a creation of Win2Win and it is superb!
No, I am not the boss, only a cog in the machinery.
You could always ignore it.....
As a self professed Christian you can rise above that....
It doesn't matter where you are in the world, religious debate and topics tend to cause strife, unless you are in a dedicated forum, which this one, clearly, is not.
I would give you a little "rep" for this but looks like you're not short on this score.......
Piamed, most children are brainwashed with religion in this country from the day they learn to listen, you can't even go to a primary school that isn't in some way related to religion. I know been through, had it shoved down my throat, was baptised without my permission, basically forced into confimation by my peers, and all that is nothing short of mental child abuse.
Hey boss, you had to pull me out of retirement!!! I would say that children being introduced to a religion early on in schools has going on for a long time. Having said that, PC and a lack of religious tolerance is meaning that it is no longer fashionabe to do so in many circles. Much of the rituals, etc we went through in school as we were coming up, was done out of tradition and did not really teach us much about the faith anyhow. To that extent I suppose it was systematic brainwashing which is definitely not a good thing. Although, it never led me to knowing God at all.
Piamed, most children are brainwashed with religion in this country from the day they learn to listen, you can't even go to a primary school that isn't in some way related to religion. I know been through, had it shoved down my throat, was baptised without my permission, basically forced into confimation by my peers, and all that is nothing short of mental child abuse.
I'm not a snitch you understand, but I do believe some direct slating did occur. Obviously, I won't reveal his/her name but suffice to say this particular individual has been referred to by a plethora of terms. No, No! I won't say who it is ...ok, alright, it's .........!
Be responsible with little so that you can be trusted with much!!
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I think there is a big difference in discussing the impact of Churches upon people and, for instance, their attitude to contraception, abortion and poverty and an individuals personal belief. The first is largely a political, social and economic debate whilst the second is..........personal. I have no problem in someone who has a set of values derived from a strong religious belief debating the first with me, provided they don't fall back upon the "God says so" argument. Just as an aside, I have recently been banned from an American right wing, religious based forum which encouraged "lively debate" and which was centred around a "pro-life" theme because I refused to accept "moderator correction". In other words I refused to accept their pre-determined, blinkered viewpoint and they ran out of effective arguments.Same with me; i only ever seem to suffer in the UK. I guess the grass and tree pollen is uniquely British
I appreciate your observations but would say that there were at least two sets of beliefs introduced David. Please note that when population growth and poverty are discussed, it is quite common for a non-believer to introduce the notion that the blame sould be variously apportioned upon the Church, Catholicism, religion, etc. The believers summarily responded with their own view.
There are several fora where non-believers can discuss to their hearts content. Also, referring to high morals in this context is a tad facetious don't you think!
Let's be equitable. That is my final contribution.
Be responsible with little so that you can be trusted with much!!
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Sorry, but this is what I believe guys
It looks like it was a good idea for you to forget moderator status, that wasn't very moderate in my book......
I would however, like to compliment aromulus with his moderator hat on.
It cannot be easy to moderate two groups of distinct and differing beliefs.
"Well done, son" :-)
No problem, if you found my post offensive, all you need to do is to report it
As a ordinary member I'm allowed to say what I like within reason and within forum rules, and if you can't accept that, not my problem. Like I said, you can always report my post if you find it offensive.
I thought I did :-)No problem, if you found my post offensive, all you need to do is to report it
As a ordinary member I'm allowed to say what I like within reason and within forum rules, and if you can't accept that, not my problem. Like I said, you can always report my post if you find it offensive.
who me??And the wind-up merchant......
Please keep off the grass.
doesnt look like i need to wind anyone up in this thread!,there doing a good job by myselfs?
it seems strange that we cant have a civil debate involving religion but what seems stranger ??? we cant even mention god in this forum!
i have learnt to do what my wife says!
You just did!!
As for evolution....the church used to burn people alive for questioning the FACT that everything revolved around the Earth. Yep, they definitely got that FACT correct
You can tell that it is not correct with a simple experiment using marbles. Move them with with what you see, Earth, Sun, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn & Venus, and you see for yourself over a number of days they all move around the Sun.
Keith - Administrator
Go go go bornabirthdoesnt look like i need to wind anyone up in this thread!,there doing a good job by myselfs?
it seems strange that we cant have a civil debate involving religion but what seems stranger ??? we cant even mention god in this forum!
To all Christians here, I would like to say that not all can be answered by the Bible as it was not written in detail. Science is important to explain a lot of things. If Bible was in detail, we might have 1000+ volumes. A lot of things were still not clear to people before. Like virus or bacteria, if God said "Don't do this as you will get bacteria and virus" And people will ask, Virus? bacteria? What is it Lord? So we must rely on science and time.
As for the dinosaurs, if you read Gen 1:1 it says " In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Gen 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void..." . Now if you examine carefully, how on earth that a newly created world is already without form and void? So in theory, Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2 is divided by time could be millions or billions of time to make earth formless and void. And dinosaurs could have lived before Gen 1:2.
Now for the Big Bang theory. As in Gen 1:1, God might have created the planets and suns way way way too Big! And since God cannot undo what he has done, he made this big big big creations to collide which scientists now called the big bang theory and created billions of stars and planets inside many galaxies now that supports both the bible and the theory.
Now if you believe in God, you should also believe that God is a scientist, a doctor, a mathematician or else the universe is now dead. There is no deception, God just let the people learn and discover things overtime.
If the cap fits...............who me??
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More like "drownedatbirth"..........Go go go bornabirth
Like how to get rid of ants with petrol
Keith - Administrator
As long as it was time and a half :-)
Yep, that's one. And if you light it up, what will happen. Good or bad, we learn from it.Like how to get rid of ants with petrol
In this debate I believe more in the study of science. Whatever is written in the Bible, whether it is real or not is not complete. Bible proponents think that the Bible is complete and they could challenge science, no you can't.
Also do people wonder why everything in the universe is oval, round or spherical? No cube planets or rectangular sun or square orbits. I don't know. I will take my time and a half overtime now.
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