Darkside

[pennybarry]

Sometimes I hate to read The Sun Newspapers because they always prefer to display the darkside of Philippines

Who knows, some filipino workers have nice and better house in Philippines than The Sun staffs

http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/home...-emigrate.html

[KeithD]

Scousers don't read The Sun after what they done after Hillsborough

Readership in Liverpool is still the lowest in the UK, we have long memories .....although it can be bad as well as I remember being born out of my mothers

[ukgangster]

Scousers can't read

Yeah we know, calm down.

[Scouse]

Scousers don't read The Sun after what they done after Hillsborough

Readership in Liverpool is still the lowest in the UK, we have long memories .....although it can be bad as well as I remember being born out of my mothers

We don't even allow it in the house!

[aromulus]

Sometimes I hate to read The Sun Newspapers because they always prefer to display the darkside of Philippines

Who knows, some filipino workers have nice and better house in Philippines than The Sun staffs

http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/home...-emigrate.html

As far as I can read, nothing bad is mentioned about the Philippines, dear....

Only about some call-centre workers that don't like having their jobs relocated overthere.....

[darren-b]

As far as I can read, nothing bad is mentioned about the Philippines, dear....

Only about some call-centre workers that don't like having their jobs relocated overthere.....

And the fact that the company may be trying to avoid paying them redundancy payments.

[pennybarry]

As far as I can read, nothing bad is mentioned about the Philippines, dear....


Only about some call-centre workers that don't like having their jobs relocated overthere.....

Sorry MOD I was referring to photo. Slum

I think penny is refering to the photos it's not a flattering pic of manila but saying that the one from scotland isn't great

Absolutely right !!!

And the fact that the company may be trying to avoid paying them redundancy payments.

Yes they must have redundancy pay

[thejarvs]

hmmm I might apply for a job with T-mobile in a call centre in phil I would jump at the chance to relocate (I'm biased though), a quick search and there is a job for an accounts manager £70,000 thats a good wage in UK let alone Phil.

I think penny is refering to the photos it's not a flattering pic of manila but saying that the one from scotland isn't great

[Sophie]

I think penny is refering to the photos it's not a flattering pic of manila

Yes, it was a bad photo indeed.....why did the photo showed the slums anyway? I don't think that's where this company will relocate?....
No wonder the workers from scotland are so scared of being transferred there Who would want to work in the slums?
This photo is a deliberate and absolute misrepresentation.......
They should have posted a photo of the business district areas such as makati and ortigas.....since this areas are more likely to be the relocation spot
and not the slums that they showed on the photo.......
Philippines does not primarily consist of slum areas........we have largely more pleasant, urbane and progressive areas than slum areas.....

[darren-b]

Yes, it was a bad photo indeed.....why did the photo showed the slums anyway? I don't think that's where this company will relocate?....
No wonder the workers from scotland are so scared of being transferred there Who would want to work in the slums?
This photo is a deliberate and absolute misrepresentation.......
They should have posted a photo of the business district areas such as makati and ortigas.....since this areas are more likely to be the relocation spot
and not the slums that they showed on the photo.......
Philippines does not primarily consist of slum areas........we have largely more pleasant, urbane and progressive areas than slum areas.....

I think you are missing the point totally.

The photo the newspaper used was just a stock photo and whatever you say it is representative of Manila (slums and new tower blocks) and the Philippines in general. It's not a case of the workers being scared, it's just that most if not all of them would not want to uproot their familys and move to the otherside of the world, especially as if they did it is likely their wages would be re-adjusted and/or they would have their contracts terminated as soon as posssible.

To be honest the company is not expecting anyone to move, it is just playing games during the consultation period it's obliged to have when making large number of jobs redundant and trying to reduce the amount of money it's going to have to pay out.

[Sophie]

I think you are missing the point totally.
The photo the newspaper used was just a stock photo

Exactly my point.....what a prejudicial and biased stock of photo, just showing the slums as a representation of manila or the philippines as a whole.....

and whatever you say it is representative of Manila (slums and new tower blocks)

True..... however, in the photo i only see slums, i don't see any new tower blocks or any of that sort......

Now, that's my only point and nothing else.....

[darren-b]

I think you are missing the point totally.
The photo the newspaper used was just a stock photo

Exactly my point.....what a prejudicial and biased stock of photo, just showing the slums as a representation of manila or the philippines as a whole.....

and whatever you say it is representative of Manila (slums and new tower blocks)

True..... however, in the photo i only see slums, i don't see any new tower blocks or any of that sort......

Now, that's my only point and nothing else.....

Try looking in the background of the photo....

[somebody]

I think you are missing the point totally.
The photo the newspaper used was just a stock photo

Exactly my point.....what a prejudicial and biased stock of photo, just showing the slums as a representation of manila or the philippines as a whole.....

and whatever you say it is representative of Manila (slums and new tower blocks)

True..... however, in the photo i only see slums, i don't see any new tower blocks or any of that sort......

Now, that's my only point and nothing else.....

Chill a phill newspaper would probably show buck palace or tower bridge (the one most phill think is london bridge) as probably first stock picture they have.

Most likely they just googled for a picture and many people show pretty iffy pictures of glasgow show the tower blocks.

At least they showed a mixture what from what i have seen manila is it has its rich parts and poorer parts. Many of which would be no go areas for many british families if moved there at least at first.

As Darren B has mentioned as people living in Britain i would be worried how the company is treating the workers here.

This time its people in Glasgow next it maybe closer to home.

If you and your loved ones in the UK were told be fired or move to Nigeria (first country which came in to my head) and work with the local employment rules and pay. The keeping same terms and condtions will go out the window almost for certain. Would you be worrying about the picture in the news article or have more pressing concerns?

What about their other halfs do they quit their job?

Yes i know many phill families are split up but usually they are not forced to go or be fired from their job.

[Pepe n Pilar]

their back is hard?!!

Awww the thread started from Darkside.... now it's hard....

If there is darkness there is hard?!!!..

Is my English right?

[Sophie]

their back is hard?!!

[Sophie]

or maybe they rub each other's feet, that's "hard to reach" too

[Tawi2]

From the brief glimpse before I rapidly back-tracked to the car park they were both having a hard time Some things are best left to the imagination

[Sophie]

From the brief glimpse before I rapidly back-tracked to the car park they were both having a hard time Some things are best left to the imagination

oh well

[Pepe n Pilar]

From the brief glimpse before I rapidly back-tracked to the car park they were both having a hard time Some things are best left to the imagination

Enough of the word "hard" Tawi2 . Let's go back to the darkside ....

Hard in the darkness....
Huh! back to the topic....

[Mrs Daddy]

I bet with that photo showing T-mobile workers are put off to the idea in living to the philippines but if they have been to manila am sure they`ll be fine and earning a lot with their wages and as well with cheap goods and with all the help you can get from nannies,driver and househelp they might change their mind.

[Sophie]

I bet with that photo showing T-mobile workers are put off to the idea in living to the philippines but if they have been to manila am sure they`ll be fine and earning a lot with their wages and as well with cheap goods and with all the help you can get from nannies,driver and househelp they might change their mind.

I totally agree

[darren-b]

I bet with that photo showing T-mobile workers are put off to the idea in living to the philippines but if they have been to manila am sure they`ll be fine and earning a lot with their wages and as well with cheap goods and with all the help you can get from nannies,driver and househelp they might change their mind.

The photo was a stock photo, it had nothing to do with putting off the workers. (this has been said many times on this thread...)

If the workers were transfered (which isn't going to happen anyway) they wouldn't be paid UK wages for long as they would either be downgraded to local wages or more likely got rid of.

[pennybarry]

No way pen, not acceptable that manila is slums....

Definitely no.. The subject matter is about call center to transfer to Manila so they should have shown pictures of the business districts like Ortigas Avenue or Meralco Ave, in Pasig City; Ayala Avenue, Makati City; Libis, Quezon City. etc etc. They don't have call centres in the slum areas, quite sure of that....
When i first came here i was asked by a filipina where do i hold office back home. I answered at the PSEC 9th flr. She was surprised and said never thought of it. Huh! lucky enough to work in a bldg of just 33 floors...
What does she thinks of Manila?

Great! I accept that Manila has slums but I believed that not all living in slums are living in poverty I have a friend who lives in a slum in Makati and she is a bank executive. I am sure she can afford to pay rent for better house but I discovered why she chose to live there.

Free Electricity and water. No meter at all they have health card for free medication in Makati Medical Centre. Sosyal!

I asked where's the water came from, there's secret pipe coming from underground and so as electricity. It was built decades ago. Electric bill is the most expensive bills for every family in Pinas as it is monopolized by only Lopez so they chosse to live there even the place were burned for few times.

P&P + Sophie + Tawi2 = Darkside !!!! lol what happened to this thread!!!!

From Slums to Corn Fields

Well, That always happened in many threads!!! As long as they're happy, be it!! I don't rant and moan for that

The photo was a stock photo, it had nothing to do with putting off the workers. (this has been said many times on this thread...)

If the workers were transfered (which isn't going to happen anyway) they wouldn't be paid UK wages for long as they would either be downgraded to local wages or more likely got rid of.

Ok ! but they must be paid redundancy as it is too hard to start again in a different place. I am sure not all filipinos working there were not came from Makati.

They need money for a better start!

[Pepe n Pilar]

Great! I accept that Manila has slums but I believed that not all living in slums are living in poverty I have a friend who lives in a slum in Makati and she is a bank executive. I am sure she can afford to pay rent for better house but I discovered why she chose to live there.

Free Electricity and water. No meter at all they have health card for free medication in Makati Medical Centre. Sosyal!

I asked where's the water came from, there's secret pipe coming from underground and so as electricity. It was built decades ago. Electric bill is the most expensive bills for every family in Pinas as it is monopolized by only Lopez so they chosse to live there even the place were burned for few times.

Hi Penny,

A bank executive living in slums? I guess a bank executive in the Phils has so much benefits like they can avail of housing loan and car loan at low interest rates, a sack of rice among many others. Some banks offers quarterly if not semi-annual bonuses, performance bonuses, dividends, group insurances, etc etc. Why does your friend prefer to live in slums? Is the slum you're referring to the same as the one in the picture?

Free electricy and water? No meter at all? Is that legal? A secret pipe?? that is cheating!!!

About health cards, i have heard from some pinoys that almost all of the municipalities offer this card to their residents(may they be rich or poor). So every resident is entitled to have this and use it for free and/or avail of discounts in the hospitals or centres within their municipality. So if one is a Makati resident he/she can have one and use that at Makati Medical Center. Likewise a resident of Mandaluyong City, etc etc.

[Tawi2]

Mandaluyong P&P Inside or out The theft of electricity is widespread in Pinas,I was in toril a few months ago and a policeman was telling me the previous night they had caught three guys attemtping to tap into a beach resorts power

[Jay&Zobel]

P&P + Sophie + Tawi2 = Darkside !!!! lol what happened to this thread!!!!

From Slums to Corn Fields

[Sophie]

P&P + Sophie + Tawi2 = Darkside !!!! lol what happened to this thread!!!!

From Slums to Corn Fields

[bornatbirth]

i cant image that any of those workers will want to move to manila!

would you leave the uk and your family?

there only going to be payed a low rate ie local rate and only offered those jobs so they dont have to pay redunancy,they dont think anyone will take up those jobs when they see the low pay!

it seems strange unless your earning alot in the philipines why would you want to go there?

[Pepe n Pilar]

I stand corrected Penny, yeah for sure rich are not entitled to free medication only those on the low income group.

As this thread is entitled "Darkside" and picture is about slums i was just curious why some filipinos prefer to stay in slum areas if they have opportunities to improve their lives. As what you have mentioned Penny that you're friend has been living there for 40 yrs and a bank executive. If he inherit that property from his parents and he won't be leaving the same and pass it on to the next generation so we could see here that some filipinos doesn't have any dreams for a better life. Some keep on moaning and complaining why they are poor but they are not doing anything to make it better. Some come from "no read-no write" parents but they have the will power and hope to be different hence they strive hard to have a good life. I salute these people. Thumbs up! Some just simply criticise well off people but not knowing how they were able to acquire the things to have such a comfortable life. Well, i have met some, (they kept on criticising rich people and it's bad to the ear). I'm referring to those that has worked on legal ways, just an ordinary office workers but has nice houses, cars hence a good life. Not to the corrupt people (there might be comments on this). I'm referring to average filipino workers.

I remember there was a tv program entitled "Explore" and that was all about the poor communities in the Phils which most of the members in the forum had commented why the lovely and sceneric places were not shown. There was a 19 y.o. girl living there with her family. She is so young but full of dreams. She was interviewed and said she is studying hard and wants to finish her college degree because she intends to go abroad and work and give her family a better life and so they can leave that slum area. So, in this documentary film i have seen that some (if not all) people living in slums has dreams of improving their lives and they don't want to stay in an over-crowded place all their life.

And to think this bank executive who was so lucky to finish his studies and was given all the opportunities doesn't want to do something to improve his life? I guess older people should be the ones to show to the younger generation that there is always hope and as long as one is determined and focused to his goal in life that is for the betterment then that is not far from a "dream come true". Younger people expect from older or matured people to show good example.

There was a bank employee i've met and he said they are given priorities to avail of the re- possessed properties before it is publised. So by availing of this they will just pay the remaining amounts in the bank and of low interest. If he is an executive he should know that as well. Executives are given priorities than the mere clerks in the bank but still those on clerical positions can also avail. I couldn't just imagine your executive friend don't grab the opportunities he has.

Executives are AM,Mgr.,SM,AVP,EVP,SVP,VP and up; lower than Mgr is not called an executive... They mostly likely don't live in slums for security reasons..

Chances/oppotunities on hand given to some people should not be taken for granted or ignored for it might not be there all the time.

If people in slums won't think that there is a better life out there then what will happen to the filipino people living in poverty? Houses built there will just multiply generation to generation if they won't give themselves the encouragement, determination, will (whatever we call it) one should have.

That is why some foreigners looked down to people in the 3rd world country because they can see the attitude from some. Sometimes it is generalised by them. We, filipinos should show to the world that even if we come from the 3rd world country we have dreams and that is to have a better life and to be passed on to the next kins and so on and so forth...... not to live in slums forever...

No offense here. Just my views..

Cheers!

[pennybarry]

I stand corrected Penny, yeah for sure rich are not entitled to free medication only those on the low income group.

As this thread is entitled "Darkside" and picture is about slums i was just curious why some filipinos prefer to stay in slum areas if they have opportunities to improve their lives. As what you have mentioned Penny that you're friend has been living there for 40 yrs and a bank executive. If he inherit that property from his parents and he won't be leaving the same and pass it on to the next generation so we could see here that some filipinos doesn't have any dreams for a better life. Some keep on moaning and complaining why they are poor but they are not doing anything to make it better. Some come from "no read-no write" parents but they have the will power and hope to be different hence they strive hard to have a good life. I salute these people. Thumbs up! Some just simply criticised well off people but not knowing how they were able to attain such comfortable life. Well, i have met some, (they kept on criticising rich people and it's bad to the ear). I'm referring to those that has worked on legal ways, just an ordinary office workers but has nice houses, cars hence a good life. Not to the corrupt people (there might be comments on this). I'm referring to average filipino workers.

I remember there was a tv program entitled "Explore" and that was all about the poor communities in the Phils which most of the members in the forum had commented why the lovely and sceneric places were not shown. There was a 19 y.o. girl living there with her family. She is so young but full of dreams. She was interviewed and said she is studying hard and wants to finish her college degree because she intends to go abroad and work and give her family a better life and so they can leave that slum area. So, in this documentary film i have seen that some (if not all) people living in slums has dreams of improving their lives and they don't want to stay in an over-crowded place all their life.

And to think this bank executive who was so lucky to finish his studies and was given all the opportunities doesn't want to do something to improve his life? I guess older people should be the ones to show to the younger generation that there is always hope and as long as one is determined and focused to his goal in life that is for the betterment then that is not far from a "dream come true". Younger people expect from older or matured people to show good example.

There was a bank employee i've met and he said they are given priorities to avail of the re- possessed properties before it is publised. So by availing of this they will just pay the remaining amounts in the bank and of low interest. If he is an executive he should know that as well. Executives are given priorities than the mere clerks in the bank but still those on clerical positions can also avail. I couldn't just imagine your executive friend don't grab the opportunities he has.

Executives are AM,Mgr.,SM,AVP,EVP,SVP,VP and up; lower than Mgr is not called an executive... They mostly likely don't live in slums for security reasons..

Chances/oppotunities on hand given to some people should not be taken for granted or ignored for it might not be there all the time.

If people in slums won't think that there is a better life out there then what will happen to the filipino people living in poverty? Houses built there will just multiply generation to generation if they won't give themselves the encouragement, determination, will (whatever we call it) one should have.

That is why some foreigners looked down to people in the 3rd world country because they can see the attitude from some. Sometimes it is generalised by them. We, filipinos should show to the world that even if we come from the 3rd world country we have dreams and that is to have a better life and to be passed on to the next kins and so on and so forth...... not to live in slums forever...

No offense here. Just my views..

Cheers!

She's an import/export manager and I tried to convince her to buy a property but she prefer to stay there.

You're right in some of your views but sadly we cannot pleased everybody. Some people thinks why they will buy a property where they can live free. Using someones property and better for them to called as squatter than buying for their own.

But bank executive don't really gets high wages in Pinas. My neighbor is also a bank exec and he applied a housing loan from bank where he's working. He paid his property for 15 years whilst me and other OFW's paid the property for only 5 years. He is now applying to migrate Canada.

Sabi nga nila, better abroad than working in Pinas.