British detained in the Philippines

[britishdetained]

Our fees is only for processing, we do not charge placement fee as we dont employ people. A processing fee is allowed for a consultancy like ours. We charge them P8000 plus 12 % as we are VAT registered by the BIR. These processing fee is used for the services we offered. We have a refund policy it means that when you failed the required exam that the embassy requires you to take we return the money as we cannot help them since we are for the VISA application and the LMO approval that needs QUALIFIED applicants. Having a review center for an English examination does not qualify you to be a recruitement agency. We have permits to be a review center...being a consultancy we must facilitate with all the requirement in attaining proper visa and one of that is IELTS/TOEIC. We applied for a review center permit in able for us to minimise the fees that they will be paying out side. If you would check the review centers on how much they are charging that would cost them 20K but with us we made it less than 10K and that even includes their exam. Those who were interviewed by the ABSCBN are those who got their money back . Why they need to complain? Its because as soon as the client fails their test I have to return their money and we cannot assist them any longer. The two former employees are those who are facing a charge of QUALIFIED THIEFT as before they made these things MAY4 they were asked to explain why they are stealing money from the office. The entrapment happened May 15, if they think we are recruitment agency they should have resigned before why only after they were questioned on the Financial anomaly? It is sad that its very easy to judged me when in fact I have stated all the facts and even they cannot prove that we are recruiting. If they are legitimate complainants why they need to lie that we are more than a year now when in fact we only started late September.

About the arrest, well a warrantless arrest must be ONLY applicable to those who were at the area of the entrapment. Kevin and I were not there. Lastly, the court recognised only 3 complainants, but then they already signed for affidavit of desistance two weeks ago. but why the case is not yet dismissed?

[Tawi2]

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[britishdetained]

If the court only recognised 3 complainants what happened to the other 397 Are you actually married to Kevin because you describe yourself as his live-in partner in one entry,and his wife Mrs Taylor in another I actually have a contact in Camp Crame,I just e-mailed them,they probably cant shed light on the situation as I dont know their capacity,worth a shot I guess If your not a recruiter why post this advert Just for maids to work in Pinas?

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why? i need maid for my children so we post that. are we not allowed to look for maids? does it mean of i look for maids for myself im already doing recruitment? anyway thanks for thinking that i am a recruiter! its very fair of you

[britishdetained]

why? i need maid for my children so we post that. are we not allowed to look for maids? does it mean of i look for maids for myself im already doing recruitment? anyway thanks for thinking that i am a recruiter! its very fair of you

its 3 because those are only heresy when ABSCBN REPORTED 400. THEY MUST SHOW EVIDENCE THAT THERE WERE 400 COMPLAINANTS. Now, let me use again your WORDS HONESTLY IS THE BEST POLICY. We are not afraid being jailed, but what I am afraid off that due process is not given to us. its good that you have a friend from camp crame because they are not even allowed now to comment on the case as i filed already a case against the task force

[joebloggs]

maybe these can help you..

http://www.fairtrials.net/

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[pennybarry]

Our fees is only for processing, we do not charge placement fee as we dont employ people. A processing fee is allowed for a consultancy like ours. We charge them P8000 plus 12 % as we are VAT registered by the BIR. These processing fee is used for the services we offered. We have a refund policy it means that when you failed the required exam that the embassy requires you to take we return the money as we cannot help them since we are for the VISA application and the LMO approval that needs QUALIFIED applicants. Having a review center for an English examination does not qualify you to be a recruitement agency. We have permits to be a review center...being a consultancy we must facilitate with all the requirement in attaining proper visa and one of that is IELTS/TOEIC. We applied for a review center permit in able for us to minimise the fees that they will be paying out side. If you would check the review centers on how much they are charging that would cost them 20K but with us we made it less than 10K and that even includes their exam. Those who were interviewed by the ABSCBN are those who got their money back . Why they need to complain? Its because as soon as the client fails their test I have to return their money and we cannot assist them any longer. The two former employees are those who are facing a charge of QUALIFIED THIEFT as before they made these things MAY4 they were asked to explain why they are stealing money from the office. The entrapment happened May 15, if they think we are recruitment agency they should have resigned before why only after they were questioned on the Financial anomaly? It is sad that its very easy to judged me when in fact I have stated all the facts and even they cannot prove that we are recruiting. If they are legitimate complainants why they need to lie that we are more than a year now when in fact we only started late September.

About the arrest, well a warrantless arrest must be ONLY applicable to those who were at the area of the entrapment. Kevin and I were not there. Lastly, the court recognised only 3 complainants, but then they already signed for affidavit of desistance two weeks ago. but why the case is not yet dismissed?

Philippines authorities will only arrest you if there are complainants.
You are not accredited to POEA and not authorized to collect money from applicants if no evidence that they can work abroad. Even Recruitment Agencies accredited to POEA are not authorized to collect money from applicants until they have shown some docs like Job Orders certified by POEA.
I just don't know why agencies wanted to have their money first. I pity those applicants who sold their land, properties and even their carabaos for the promise of job contract abroad I am not in favor of Refund policy as if they have already sold their property and you refund back the money, then what will gonna happen? It will be impossible to buy your property back.

[britishdetained]

Philippines authorities will only arrest you if there are complainants.
You are not accredited to POEA and not authorized to collect money from applicants if no evidence that they can work abroad. Even Recruitment Agencies accredited to POEA are not authorized to collect money from applicants until they have shown some docs like Job Orders certified by POEA.
I just don't know why agencies wanted to have their money first. I pity those applicants who sold their land, properties and even their carabaos for the promise of job contract abroad I am not in favor of Refund policy as if they have already sold their property and you refund back the money, then what will gonna happen? It will be impossible to buy your property back.

POEA ACCREDITED AGENCIES are those who are RECRUITMENT or MANPOWER AGENCIES. These are agencies which are required by the law to accredit them with the poea as they facilitates EMPLOYMENT AND RECRUITMENT. A CONSULTANCY DOEST FACILITATE EMPLOYMENT AND WE ARE NOT EVEN REQUIRED TO GET POEA ACCREDITATION...IF WE DID ACCREDITED THAT WOULD ONLY PROVES WE ARE RECRUITING. WE DO NOT CHARGE PLACEMENTS...SO THEY DO NOT NEED TO SELL THEIR CARABAOS...A RECRUITMENT AGENCY IS FAR DIFFERENT FROM CONSULTANCY

[pennybarry]

POEA ACCREDITED AGENCIES are those who are RECRUITMENT or MANPOWER AGENCIES. These are agencies which are required by the law to accredit them with the poea as they facilitates EMPLOYMENT AND RECRUITMENT. A CONSULTANCY DOEST FACILITATE EMPLOYMENT AND WE ARE NOT EVEN REQUIRED TO GET POEA ACCREDITATION...IF WE DID ACCREDITED THAT WOULD ONLY PROVES WE ARE RECRUITING. WE DO NOT CHARGE PLACEMENTS...SO THEY DO NOT NEED TO SELL THEIR CARABAOS...A RECRUITMENT AGENCY IS FAR DIFFERENT FROM CONSULTANCY

Yes I know the difference between them. The only thing they do the same is when it comes to collecting money from applicants which I think is wrong and I'm not in favour of it. This is always the start of every trouble. If you accept the money, applicants will assume for the success of their applications.

If Recruitment agencies and Consultancy agencies will not collect money until they passed everything (exam,medical,etc.) then there will have no problem at all. Even processing fee, and other fees that you are willing to refund is not good enough for applicants.

Some agencies, in-order to stop their continued arrests by authorities, they just returned the money and some applicants are satisfied for that. But some applicants who sold properties and for some other reasons, they don't stop complaining until the office closed by the authorities.

[britishdetained]

Honestly that is a very good idea, however in reality we cannot do that as there are many things to consider in a business...over head expenses, taxes, etc. If you do not charge them as you accepted the service how those things will be possible? Same as you go to school...you cant study now and pay after you got your diploma...

[pennybarry]

Honestly that is a very good idea, however in reality we cannot do that as there are many things to consider in a business...over head expenses, taxes, etc. If you do not charge them as you accepted the service how those things will be possible? Same as you go to school...you cant study now and pay after you got your diploma...

Very true! That is the most hard part of business. I have friend who owned a travel agency and other one who owns Recruitment agency. I worked with them and to be honest, they have bonds when they established their business. They cannot establish it if they have no bonds and big capital. I am not sure if Consultancy agency needs to have bonds nor big capital to engage in that business. If you need to know more about recruitment and travel business, I can share you her email add. You can get much advises from them. Your business are similar in some areas.

[Arturo]

Honestly that is a very good idea, however in reality we cannot do that as there are many things to consider in a business...over head expenses, taxes, etc. If you do not charge them as you accepted the service how those things will be possible? Same as you go to school...you cant study now and pay after you got your diploma...

Actually, yes in some cases that is possible, but mostly its by deposit and pay as you go! I can confirm, having put my youngest through university and paid the course fee's and accomodation fee's periodiclly as required by her progression.

I dont know about PI, but in the UK and most other places, a business will need to have cash or credit with the banks. Its illegal to operate a business which is not solvent, ie enough cash, credit or reserves to over its overheads / creditors. The theory is you can stop the business anytime, pay everbody owed money and tak ewahts left after taxes.

There are business's which supply goods and or services and some take deposits. These are supposed to be kept separate from the funds used to keep the business running - to cover refunds or cancellations.

Its all about accountability.

[britishdetained]

Actually, yes in some cases that is possible, but mostly its by deposit and pay as you go! I can confirm, having put my youngest through university and paid the course fee's and accomodation fee's periodiclly as required by her progression.

I dont know about PI, but in the UK and most other places, a business will need to have cash or credit with the banks. Its illegal to operate a business which is not solvent, ie enough cash, credit or reserves to over its overheads / creditors. The theory is you can stop the business anytime, pay everbody owed money and tak ewahts left after taxes.

There are business's which supply goods and or services and some take deposits. These are supposed to be kept separate from the funds used to keep the business running - to cover refunds or cancellations.

Its all about accountability.

My business has its own account to which the police had withdrawn all the cash on it (which we included on our complaints). Since May we have used more than 800,000PH to support the case, pay the lawyers and even support the families of my employees. I understood what you meant about job scams however, my company isnt dealing with job placement. We are a consultancy...merely sorting VISA requirements and consultantion about attaining the right Visa but not employment. Most Filipinos are not aware that a consultancy and recruitment is far different. RECRUITMENT are for job placement, Consultancy are for VISA requirements. I hope you could visit our website so may understand what sort or things my company offers and what we CANT!

[pennybarry]

that's why agencies should only charge when the applicants pass the test specially their medical. processing fee etc is payable as soon as they pass the test. they are allowed to charge equivalent to one months salary anything more than that is illegal. there are agencies that doesn't charge a single centavo, the cost(s) is billed to the employer but your qualification must be really good.

like what i said i only based my opinion from my previous experience. like what other members are saying 400 applicants accusing your firm is a lot to be honest. i'm sure the truth will come out and when it does i hope whoever is lying get what they deserve. why don't you also use the media? show the proofs etc i'm sure they will listen. remember the saying "innocent until proven guilty". i hope you get all the help you can get.

My nephew got work in Canada and he paid only his medical. Also my cousin who works in a hotel in Canada with no expenses paid except medical. One month salary is the legal for Recruitment agency charge. But some agencies ask for more and applicants pays more than that as long as it is genuine. In the recruitment agency I worked for, We are not allowed to receive/ask money from applicants. It is posted in every corner of our office. If someone accepts money, then the boss will file a case against us before the applicants file a case against the owner of the agency. All staffs is under the jurisdiction of management/owner. They are the ones who is liable for any damages if we commit something illegal when it comes to receiving money. Ony cashier has the right to accept it with official receipt.

While in Travel Agency, they are not allowed to recruit people. But some agencies do it as it's more easy money. They help applicants in providing some docs for tourist visa and they can fly to Italy,France whatever. But never the travel agency I worked with. We never do as if we caught, it is unbailable and big embarrassment to us.

Actually, yes in some cases that is possible, but mostly its by deposit and pay as you go! I can confirm, having put my youngest through university and paid the course fee's and accomodation fee's periodiclly as required by her progression.

I dont know about PI, but in the UK and most other places, a business will need to have cash or credit with the banks. Its illegal to operate a business which is not solvent, ie enough cash, credit or reserves to over its overheads / creditors. The theory is you can stop the business anytime, pay everbody owed money and tak ewahts left after taxes.

There are business's which supply goods and or services and some take deposits. These are supposed to be kept separate from the funds used to keep the business running - to cover refunds or cancellations.

Its all about accountability.

You're right, I searched about study now pay later in Scotland and there is.
We have also that in the Philippines in 1980's during the Marcos regime. I had classmates who were finished their course thru that scheme. We have also COCOFED scholars during that time. But never heard anymore about study now pay later these days.

We do have bonds/funds if we establish that kind of business. It helps their applicants to shoulder some expenses for applicant's applications etc. I'm not sure if POEA still holds the funds/bonds this time.

[aphrodite78]

If Recruitment agencies and Consultancy agencies will not collect money until they passed everything (exam,medical,etc.) then there will have no problem at all. Even processing fee, and other fees that you are willing to refund is not good enough for applicants.

that's why agencies should only charge when the applicants pass the test specially their medical. processing fee etc is payable as soon as they pass the test. they are allowed to charge equivalent to one months salary anything more than that is illegal. there are agencies that doesn't charge a single centavo, the cost(s) is billed to the employer but your qualification must be really good.

like what i said i only based my opinion from my previous experience. like what other members are saying 400 applicants accusing your firm is a lot to be honest. i'm sure the truth will come out and when it does i hope whoever is lying get what they deserve. why don't you also use the media? show the proofs etc i'm sure they will listen. remember the saying "innocent until proven guilty". i hope you get all the help you can get.

[aromulus]

There has been a fair amount of pre-judging so far...

I approved and merged the various posts because I felt that we, at the forum, could be able to give a little moral support if anything else....

What I have been reading has also been short of critical to say the least.....

It would be nice to weigh up all the facts before jumping to conclusions...

[britishdetained]

There has been a fair amount of pre-judging so far...

I approved and merged the various posts because I felt that we, at the forum, could be able to give a little moral support if anything else....

What I have been reading has also been short of critical to say the least.....

It would be nice to weigh up all the facts before jumping to conclusions...

Thank you very much for allowing me post here, all I wanted is to seek help from a community in which Kevin and I supposedly belong. I know that the case is very complicated and as Kevin and I are the accussed we have to face criticism and judgement. I may have alot of things to say or explain by I guess I will reserve it in court. Right now, all I want is that to help me pray and be strong for the next coming days to come. Not for myself, but to Kevin and my six little children. I enjoyed visiting here and I've learned alot.

Just please give me your prayers that what ever happens on the 29th...I can still see my children. This is a very complicated story and sometimes difficult to explain, as I know on my honest heart I will need to volunteer myself to be detained. By this maybe, I can show to many who have judged us that our sincere honestly and innocence will soon be out.

To my six little children who may not understand all these, I only hope that someday they will have a good heart to forgive those who wronged us. Losing all the material things we is nothing for me at all...but losing our dignity and values that Kevin and I worked hard for-for the sake of our children has been destroyed already by the media and those who have judged us. But then I know the Lord believes and see the truth.

Thank you

[Sophie]

Right now, all I want is that to help me pray and be strong for the next coming days to come. Not for myself, but to Kevin and my six little children. I enjoyed visiting here and I've learned alot.

Just please give me your prayers that what ever happens on the 29th...I can still see my children. This is a very complicated story and sometimes difficult to explain, as I know on my honest heart I will need to volunteer myself to be detained. By this maybe, I can show to many who have judged us that our sincere honestly and innocence will soon be out.

To my six little children who may not understand all these, I only hope that someday they will have a good heart to forgive those who wronged us. Losing all the material things we is nothing for me at all...but losing our dignity and values that Kevin and I worked hard for-for the sake of our children has been destroyed already by the media and those who have judged us. But then I know the Lord believes and see the truth.

Thank you

We hear you charlene.......and you have our prayers........
just be strong.......and may god be with you on your battle......

[Arturo]

There has been a fair amount of pre-judging so far...

I approved and merged the various posts because I felt that we, at the forum, could be able to give a little moral support if anything else....

What I have been reading has also been short of critical to say the least.....

It would be nice to weigh up all the facts before jumping to conclusions...

I just made a post asking if these things happen or could it be a scam.
I do tend to share being a bit gullible with hardships situation, especially when kids are involved - and somewhat cynical about situations where I have no knowledge.

However, a few months ago my lady in Manila advised me that her friend had paid about P70,000 and more expected later, to an agent at jobs overseas expo. They claimed to be able to get her work in UK hotels. I could not see the Hilton or the Ritz etc, dealing with type of stuff - but who knows.

Eventually they told her that a London Agency XXXXXXX would be dealing with her UK employment.
I got the details, looked it upon the Internet and sent them some emails.
Complete scam, they did not do that sort of "client work". and the hotel replied to say they do not employ anybody without being interviewed and cleared by their own HR offices.

I copied all the emails and details and sent them to Ella and her friend.
Eventually the "agency" sorted things out ( badly ) rather than pay a full refund. The friends daughter is now actually "working" in a small hotel in Scotland, doing about 8 hours a week!

The posts on this thread do mostly seem a bit cynical and I dont know or understand how these so called agencies operate. It seems the taking of money was the crucial factor.. which indicates to me an illegal operation as a legitmate agency will be allowed to take deposits I would assume.

Ironic that in the UK - you can have your car busted open or your house robbed and if when you call the police, they have a total lack of interest.
I was advised simply to call into the station to report the crime and get a "crime number" needed by the insurance!