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    Family Visit Visa Refusal

    I am getting married on 9th December 2006 in the Guildhall in Bath. Even if I am stingy and don't want to fuss about the wedding, I want a family member present. So I asked my mother and sister to apply for a visit visa for the wedding. My mother is still waiting for the Certificate of Non-availability of Birth Record from the NSO (which she needs to get a passport) so I told my sister to go ahead and apply on her own since we don't know how long it will take for the certificate to arrive.

    Six days after the form was submitted to UKVACS, her documents were returned and with it was a Notice of Refusal.



    My fiance and I called the AIT and they advised us to just file the appeal in the Philippines since it can take as long as 6 months if we file it here. I asked my fiance to write the British Embassy in Manila. This was the email we sent


    Subject: Ref: MNL/
    To: ManilaVisaEnquiries@fco.gov.uk;
    Sent: Sun 22/10/2006 22:36

    Dear Sir / Madam

    I am writing to you following your decision to refuse the application
    of . I am writing in the capacity of sponsor for Grace's visit to the UK.

    Grace's visit was to allow her to be present at the wedding of her
    sister ( ) and myself in Bath on 9th December 2006. I
    feel the decision to refuse entry clearance was grossly unfair for the
    following reasons.

    The refusal letter states that Grace has failed to supply evidence that
    her sister is in the UK, however, such evidence was not sought in
    document titled "Visit Visa Requirements" issued by the Visa Section of
    the British Embassy Manila.
    The refusal letter states that Grace has failed to supply evidence that
    her sister and I are getting married, however, such evidence was not
    sought in document titled "Visit Visa Requirements" issued by the Visa
    Section of the British Embassy Manila.
    The refusal letter states that Grace has failed to supply evidence that
    she is a student, financially supported by her parents, however, such
    evidence was not sought in document titled "Visit Visa Requirements"
    issued by the Visa Section of the British Embassy Manila.

    I think you might see a pattern emerging.

    The Visa Section of the British Embassy Manila should realise better
    than most that for many filipinos and filipinas, dealing with Her
    Britannic Majesty's Government can be an extremely intimidating
    experience, and under such conditions they seek to comply, to the
    letter, with any guidance given by the Government of the UK. It is not
    surprising, therefore, that in this case, Grace simply supplied the
    documents which had been requested. (in document titled "Visit Visa
    Requirements" issued by the Visa Section of the British Embassy Manila.)
    The evidence you see as lacking in Grace's application is freely
    available and, had we known that it was required it would most certainly
    have been supplied. In the case of Michelle’s application for her
    settlement visa the procedure seemed much more sensible, following your
    receipt of her application you required further information and
    requested she bring it to her interview – simple. To state that Grace
    had not supplied any evidence that her sister is in the UK displays, in
    my humble opinion, a remarkably lackadaisical attitude towards record
    keeping and retrieval on your part. Quite apart from the clearly-visible
    immigration stamp shown on the copy of Michelle's passport’s visa page,
    which you already have, would it really have been that difficult to
    check that Michelle's visa had been checked at her entry-point into the
    UK? I can send you some photos of us in Trafalgar Square if you like!
    Furthermore I am most annoyed that despite my letter, sent to Grace and
    viewed by yourselves which clearly states that we are inviting Grace to
    be present at her sister's wedding, you find yourselves at liberty to
    dismiss what I say, presumably as lies. Did it not occur to you that, as
    her sister had been granted a marriage visa (for which we had to pay a
    considerable fee) and that, under the terms of that visa the wedding
    would have to take place before the end of January it does in fact seem
    entirely reasonable to be attending a wedding on 9th December?

    To support Grace's "claim" that her sister is in the UK her sister can
    supply:-

    * Copy of visa page from Michelle's passport with Heathrow
    immigration officer's stamp, in fact THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN SUPPLIED
    * Photocard Driving Licence issued by DVLA
    * Bath & N.E. Somerset council tax bill showing both Michelle's and
    my names.
    * Bath and N.E. Somerset 'Resident's Discovery Card' (photocard)
    which is an official confirmation of Michelle's residence within
    the county (and therefore, the U.K.) issued by this local
    government office.

    To support Graces "claim" that her sister and I are getting married on
    9th December in Bath I can supply:-

    * Provisional booking form from Bath and North East Somerset
    Registration Service.
    * Receipt from Bath Register Office for £150 fee paid for the
    wedding ceremony.
    * Receipt from Bristol Register Office for £60 for the registration
    of intention to marry.
    * Certificate issued by the Superintendant Registrar at Bristol
    Register Office
    * Statements from my father and my brother who will be best man.
    * Photographs of the rings if that helps

    To support Grace's "claim" that she is a student supported by her
    parents (in fact supported by her mother as their father passed away
    some years ago) she can supply :-

    * Copies of cheques written by her mother to the school.
    * Copy of her enrolment at the school.
    * Her student I.D. card.

    Furthermore, with regard to your concerns about Grace's returning to the
    Philippines on the date given by her you should be aware that in January
    Grace sits her final exams for a four year B.S. Degree course in
    Nursing. A four year course....... January.......

    All of these documents are, and always have been available. You merely
    needed to ask for them. Would it really have been so difficult to ask
    Grace to attend an interview and to bring these things along with her?
    Now we are faced with the very real prospect of an appeal procedure
    which in all probability will take so long as to preclude Grace from
    attending her only sister's wedding. Furthermore, I am faced with the
    prospect of seeing my bride walking down the aisle with tears running
    down her face on what should be the happiest day of her life. All you
    had to do was ask for the documents. You should realise the real-life
    impact of your actions and you should be ashamed at a procedure that
    precludes honest, scrupulous people from visiting their own family
    members at times when their support is needed most. I really do not
    think you tried very hard to ensure a comprehensively fair examination
    in this case. Please give details of any procedure allowing us to supply
    these documents to you now as additional documents in an attempt to
    expedite the forthcoming appeal procedure. As I'm sure you can imagine,
    this is an urgent request.

    Yours sincerely


    The response of the ECO was this:


    This was our response to his email.


    The documents are now in the British Embassy. We are anxiously waiting for the result. If the ECO doesn't change his decision, I plan to file it in the AIT and insist on an oral hearing. I really feel that the ECO was wrong in his decision to refuse my sister.

    It makes me wonder if I should still file for another Family Visit Visa application for my mum since I will be using the same documents in her application.

    I also plan to make a complaint against N. Ahmad.

    I'm so frustrated and angry. I just want a family member to be present on my wedding.


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    My advise is to forget about it.

    Have a 'discrete', simple wedding in bath, then fly to the fil & have a wedding blessing and one big party .

    December is too late to do anything. Don't put off your marriage just because of this, don't let the bast@rds get you down


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    Quote Originally Posted by maldita View Post

    I also plan to make a complaint against N. Ahmad.

    I'm so frustrated and angry. I just want a family member to be present on my wedding.
    interesting and frustrating.

    i really have a lot of personal opinion about these but for the moment,i second of what baboyako was saying...move on and make things easier for ur fiance in getting married.it's his wedding too.
    insanity- doing the same thing over and over again,expecting a different outcome...


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    hmmmmmm...

    as far as what i read i think after that refusal and reappeal i think they will be able to get the visa.....i think in every application the best thing you can do is to supply all the evidences that you have just to prove to them your purpose of entry in UK....as what caught me is they keep on stating that lack evidences seems to be the reason of refusal....and i think if they have send it together with there application all the evidences that they have mention in there appeal i think they will be able to get ....just like what people keeps in telling in the furom you have to satisfied the ECO....so feed them lots of evidences......you will be fine and get married!


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    I Absolutely AGREE of what baboyako was saying.....


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    Of course we will not move the wedding day because of that. The post was more of a rant, really.

    Get married in the Philippines?! And have the whole barrio come even if they are uninvited?! I wanted the wedding here so I could avoid that (and the priest. my mum has been trying to get me exorcised for the past 15 years)

    Oh well, back to work now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by maldita View Post
    Of course we will not move the wedding day because of that. The post was more of a rant, really.

    Get married in the Philippines?! And have the whole barrio come even if they are uninvited?! I wanted the wedding here so I could avoid that

    Oh well, back to work now.
    hmmmm....ohhh Yahhh???? thats what u think the people in PI? what the


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    Quote Originally Posted by maldita View Post
    Get married in the Philippines?! And have the whole barrio come even if they are uninvited?! I wanted the wedding here so I could avoid that .
    I agree to that! Being the only girl and the first one to get married in the family,i had 2 receptions last May 2006,one from the hotel ballroom(where formal reception ceremony took place and close family friends & relatives from the society were all invited) and another informal reception at the back garden of my parents house where our employees and the so-called-uninvited-guests (it's inevitable anyway) can enjoy as well. At the end of the day, what matters most is that we're already married and now enjoying the cold-windy-days in hampshire!
    Worry is like a rocking chair;It gives you something to do,but it doesn't get you anywhere!


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    "Entitlement to Right of Abose"........."You have failed to provide any evidence that your sister is in the UK"

    You've used the wrong application for a visitors visa haven't you?
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    My sister in law was also refused some years back.. I know how you feel..
    My mother in law was however given a visa and stayed here for 6 months.
    (talk about bad luck)


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    Hi Maldita,

    I think it's best when you send these complaints or enquiries to the embassy in Manila to also copy and paste them into the email box at the bottom of the UKvisas Enquiry page, http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/servlet/Fr...=1006977150196

    And also mention in the email that you send to Manila that you have done so. That way they will know that their decisions or responses might come under scrutiny at a higher level.

    Iain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Win2Win View Post
    "Entitlement to Right of Abose"........."You have failed to provide any evidence that your sister is in the UK"

    You've used the wrong application for a visitors visa haven't you?


    I don't think so. We got the forms from the embassy. All of them including the checklist.


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    Smile Follow up of family visit visa

    Hello. I've been sick for weeks now.

    Anyway, we filed for the visa appeal last November 3. Since we did not get any response after two weeks, my fiance and I decided that it is time for my sister to just file another application.

    This time we were lucky.

    November 21 - application was filed in UKVACS
    November 22 - got an email from an ECO stating that my mom and sister has been granted their visa
    November 23 - UKVACS showed that their applications have been dispatched
    November 24 - passport with visa arrived HURRAH!


    So what does this say? I have no idea!

    All I know is that visa approval solely depends on the person who reviews the documents. If they think you're lying, then you're out of luck.

    I wonder when they will return my documents. I have to file for FLR soon and they have my passport.


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    Hello. I've been sick for weeks now.
    Sorry to hear that.......please do not cough on the forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by maldita View Post
    This time we were lucky.

    November 21 - application was filed in UKVACS
    November 22 - got an email from an ECO stating that my mom and sister has been granted their visa
    November 23 - UKVACS showed that their applications have been dispatched
    November 24 - passport with visa arrived HURRAH!
    That's Great, It's so nice that you'll have some family members there on your big day.


    Quote Originally Posted by maldita View Post
    I wonder when they will return my documents. I have to file for FLR soon and they have my passport.
    BTW, I was told by UKVACS that with regard to official documents sent from the UK, passports etc, photocopies are acceptable. This is their exact words. "Further to our earlier email, the British Embassy only requires photocopies of the sponsor’s passports; sponsor’s original passports are not required."

    Iain.


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    I'd have them certified by a solicitor just to be on the safe side though. Best not to give them any reasons for a possible refusal.
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    hi maldita best wishes in advance,and wedding here in uk is very different not like philippines you can feel the blessing from GOD


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    Congrats on the good news and hope you feel better real soon. Remeber to cover the keyboard with a hankichief if you sneeze while on the forum


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