Second Visa?

[darren-b]

also i can tell you most if not everyone on here, did supply some sort of evidence of their proposed wedding, and they all, but maybe one didn't get their visa, i don't remember anyone not sending any evidence at all of their proposed wedding ?? thou i maybe wrong, any more takers on this ???

can you tell me anyone who has been refused for sending evidence of their proposed wedding?. can i tell you who hasn't been refused for not sending some sort of evidence, no i can't because i think everyone did, the embassy do random checks, i know of one person at least on here, where the embassy contacted the person who was suppose to be making their wedding cake ( i think it was ady ?? ) and when they failed to, and that was one of the reasons for refusing the visa, thou i think it was overturned on appeal.

Err..... Neither Bluebirdjones or myself did provide any evidence of our proposed wedding. Searching round previous messages others who didn't provide any evidence includes DianaKevy, JudyHon, Ann07, and xebec. So that's six on here who definitely did not supply some sort of evidence of their proposed wedding and I am sure there are others on here who did not either.

The couple I think you are referring to is Philip/Frances who were not entirely truthfully with a visit visa, and hence the ECO was a bit suspicious of them. And when they checked their caterers because she was doing it cash-in-hand she denied all knowledge. Who knows if they hadn't provided any evidence they might not have been refused the first time.

The point Bluebirdjones and myself are trying to make is that you do not have to provide any proposed bookings. Back in the day when you had to have an interview the ECO wasn't at all worried that we didn't provide any and hence this is why I do not advise people to provide it.

[joebloggs]

true, but quoted from him..

It is a Catch-22 situation..... you cannot do anything OFFICIAL until your lady arrives here.
Yes, you could book a hall, pre-book the Archbishop of Canterbury, order a cake, arrange to get your hair cut, etc etc .....
BUT all these things can be cancelled, or even better, set up by you on your John Bull printing set !

So, the "evidence" is not worth the paper it's written (or printed) on.


i know many more than 6 who did send evidence that showed they intend to get wed, but if ive missed the point somewhere ?? sending some evidence is better than no evidence, thou i'm just being a ...

can't check all he posted, as i've got to go to work now

[darren-b]

true, but quoted from him..

It is a Catch-22 situation..... you cannot do anything OFFICIAL until your lady arrives here.
Yes, you could book a hall, pre-book the Archbishop of Canterbury, order a cake, arrange to get your hair cut, etc etc .....
BUT all these things can be cancelled, or even better, set up by you on your John Bull printing set !

So, the "evidence" is not worth the paper it's written (or printed) on.


i know many more than 6 who did send evidence that showed they intend to get wed, but if ive missed the point somewhere ?? sending some evidence is better than no evidence, thou i'm just being a ...

can't check all he posted, as i've got to go to work now

I think you have missed the point... Just because someone sent evidence it does not mean they needed to send evidence. If you were planning to book your wedding prior to applying for the visa then send the bookings, but if you weren't then it's daft to get some proposed bookings just to add to your application (you are basically supplying false evidence...).

If you can show someone who was refused and the reason was that they did not provide any evidence or someone who was told that if they hadn't provided any evidence they would have been refused then I will change my opinion.

[Bluebirdjones]

“but how long you wait is determined by luck and how busy the embassy is” –Jbloggs

I totally disagree. Granted the embassy is busy, and it now seems to take 6-8 weeks for your application to get to the top of the pile, but then the strength and quality of your application will shine through.

If you follow the rules & guidelines, and put yourself in the shoes of the ECO (and understand what he/she is going to be concerned about, need clarification of), then you are almost assured of a successful (timely) “YES” result.

The ECO does not need to wade through pages & pages of printed e-mails and messages saying “I love you”…. nor is gonna be impressed with a letter from your local Holy-Joe saying that you attend church every Sunday and he’ll be proud to conduct the wedding ceremony.

What WILL impress him is a concise statement of your finances…. not just a bank statement & pay slips, but long-term investments (ISA’s, shares, endowments etc etc), and an update on your future pension situation. This shows that you have thought about the consequences of marriage, it’s not some spur-of-the moment “let’s get married” affair, you have stability in your financial affairs, and are already thinking of how to provide for the future.

What will ALSO impress the ECO is if your future wife has already travelled outside the Philippines. Visas (and entry/exit stamps) from other countries in her passport are the equivalent of gold ! An itinerary of countries she has visited (dates of entry/exit, reason for trip) is a must. This shows the ECO that the applicant is very unlikely to be entering a “marriage of convenience”, or be an economic refugee, as she could have effectively already done that in countries she’s already visited.

So, NO, it’s not “luck”….. but by emphasising the good points, and presenting the information in a concise, readable, and relevant way, you are basically giving the ECO no option but to say “Yes”.

[Ji&Ma]

I totally disagree. Granted the embassy is busy, and it now seems to take 6-8 weeks for your application to get to the top of the pile, but then the strength and quality of your application will shine through.

WHAT???
Are you joking??? We are currently waiting 17 WEEKS!!! and we are not alone - take a look at the threads Another batch of members waiting for their visa - part 1 and 2...

[Bluebirdjones]

Apologies, no disrespect intended.
Was aware waiting times had moved on, but didn't realise THAT long !

.... but the point I was making, is that it's NOT a lottery or luck if your visa is
granted but depends on how it's prepared & presented.

A well thought-out & presented application is going to be less hassle to
approve.
It will "tick" all his boxes, so the ECO will not have to refer to higher command,
hence resulting in even longer delays.

Wish u all the best with your application.

[Ji&Ma]

Apologies, no disrespect intended.
Was aware waiting times had moved on, but didn't realise THAT long !

.... but the point I was making, is that it's NOT a lottery or luck if your visa is
granted but depends on how it's prepared & presented.

A well thought-out & presented application is going to be less hassle to
approve.
It will "tick" all his boxes, so the ECO will not have to refer to higher command,
hence resulting in even longer delays.

Wish u all the best with your application.

Yeah I see your point and agree - definitely it is better to be well prepared and supply all they need and something on top of it as well as it costs considerable amount of money, lots of time, few gray hairs and damaged nerves anyway - so you can't afford to make any blunders


And - thank you very much- hope everything is going to be OK for us

[joebloggs]

Apologies, no disrespect intended.
Was aware waiting times had moved on, but didn't realise THAT long !

.... but the point I was making, is that it's NOT a lottery or luck if your visa is
granted but depends on how it's prepared & presented.

A well thought-out & presented application is going to be less hassle to
approve.
It will "tick" all his boxes, so the ECO will not have to refer to higher command,
hence resulting in even longer delays.

Wish u all the best with your application.

its not true, i can tell you why, and you can check on here, when my wife got ilr it took 4wks, go and search on here for people who got ilr 2 yrs ago, you will find they all got it around 4wks give or take a day.. why because every app is in a queue, and when you got to the top of the pile, the app was decided there and then. and as 95% got it without a problem, so everyones app took 4wks. but since UKBA the system up, no one knows any more. and it use to take exactly 4wks for a long time

whether your app was badly put together or not, it took 4wks for nearly everyone, sure you get a small number of borderline cases which will be passed on to someone senior, but being passed on, will having nothing to do with if your apps is well presented or not, it will be based on facts not presentation.

it will not go to higher command because your app is not organised or you included every email you ever sent to each other, it will be passed on if its not straight forward, and that will be based on facts not looks .. your app will still be deicded in nearly the same am ount of time even if you tied it with a nice bow

[joebloggs]

“but how long you wait is determined by luck and how busy the embassy is” –Jbloggs

I totally disagree. Granted the embassy is busy, and it now seems to take 6-8 weeks for your application to get to the top of the pile, but then the strength and quality of your application will shine through.

If you follow the rules & guidelines, and put yourself in the shoes of the ECO (and understand what he/she is going to be concerned about, need clarification of), then you are almost assured of a successful (timely) “YES” result.

in the vast majority of cases i have to disagree with you, why, because i would say 95% of spouse and fiancée visa's are granted on here, whether you include 100 'i love you letters' and a million emails/chat logs, or a well organised and precise app, you think the case worker has time to read them, all they will do is skim thru them, they will not spend more than a few of minutes getting thru most evidence, they are not going to put that app in a pile of apps to come back to, only ones that will be looked at again are those with a problem or not straight forward ones. why do you think it takes 6-13wks to get even a refusal ?, because they have such a back log.

i'm sure all they do is check your evidence and then do the dreaded 'local checks', this might be why some people wait longer than others, because it takes longer sometimes to get the results back.

sure your better organising your app, so it doesn't off the case worker, but i think your app is decided within minutes whether its badly put together or not, as long as you have some evidence of a relationship, savings and a job, accommodation , just like at the peo's office, they make a decision on your app within an hour or so, then depending on the outcome of the local checks you will get your visa. but some apps will be borderline (low paid job, no savings, not included all the evidence asked, etc) those will be probably passed on to someone more senior, but even if you did or didn't include a 100 'i love you letters' it will not effect how quick it is processed, the embassy will have targets to get thru, and for most, i'm sure your visa app is not looked at twice.

i honestly don't believe if you sent in 2 apps, based on the same facts and figures, but one had a 100 letters with it, and one didn't, it would make much difference on how quick your visa is processed ? why would it ??