My previous post was not really a damning judgment on bar girls, but rather an extreme example of the opposite to a virgin.

I think any woman in the Philippines who sells sex for the sake of her children should be looked at with either a sense of pity or a sense of pride. Pity for the fact she has little choice but to sell her body but pride for the fact she is out there trying to feed hungry mouths. However, there are also a lot of bar girls who are notorious for scams and various things. So it would be doubtful that a western man would knowingly marry a bar girl as the trust issue would be a potential killer for that relationship

Whilst virginity is something I personally do not worry about, it can be a cause of pride to many. I have spoken to Muslim men who would not even think of marrying a woman who was not a virgin, yet they are not virgins themselves And so I would think the situation is similar in the Philippines! When I go to see Rizza I willl have no such expectations, wether or not sexual relations take place or not is really of little concern to me. Within a relationship, those things happen in time and it is important not to rush things

Jakeob, relax and take it easy with this girl. Don't worry too much about the sex thing. It will happen in time if it is meant to