Please Help! Formerly An Illegal Immigrant Applying For Settlement Visa

[neallie]

I wouldn't be surprised if you don’t class yourself as a good honest person!!

I can't believe that this forum, which is here to help and support genuine cases of need when you are openly encouraging this person by wishing her luck in obtaining entry to the UK, who has broken all the conditions of her tourist visa, defrauded the government of taxes by working cash in hand, then abused the NHS of valuable time and resources for 9 months and beyond while she had a baby then her boyfriend defrauded the social services for funds while he claimed single parent allowance, this person not only needs banning from the UK but should have been locked up with her boyfriend for tax evasion and fraud. And I bet you will make a false declaration on you application for your settlement Visa.
Although I live in the Philippines I still pay my taxes to the British Government to pay for Illegal immigrants like you to abuse the system, and If I return to the UK I am not allowed medical assistance for 6 months.....As Pete says If I was caught overstaying my Visa I would be thrown in Jail Heavily fined and deported.

More fooled to the British Government for allowing you to just go, or if you want to return making sure you have paid back the debt to the Tax payers and medical services of the UK.
Me personally, I don’t wish you luck I hope they catch up with you...

[Arthur Little]

I wouldn't be surprised if you don’t class yourself as a good honest person!!

I can't believe that this forum, which is here to help and support genuine cases of need when you are openly encouraging this person by wishing her luck in obtaining entry to the UK, who has broken all the conditions of her tourist visa, defrauded the government of taxes by working cash in hand, then abused the NHS of valuable time and resources for 9 months and beyond while she had a baby then her boyfriend defrauded the social services for funds while he claimed single parent allowance, this person not only needs banning from the UK but should have been locked up with her boyfriend for tax evasion and fraud. And I bet you will make a false declaration on you application for your settlement Visa.
Although I live in the Philippines I still pay my taxes to the British Government to pay for Illegal immigrants like you to abuse the system, and If I return to the UK I am not allowed medical assistance for 6 months.....As Pete says If I was caught overstaying my Visa I would be thrown in Jail Heavily fined and deported.

More fooled to the British Government for allowing you to just go, or if you want to return making sure you have paid back the debt to the Tax payers and medical services of the UK.
Me personally, I don’t wish you luck I hope they catch up with you...

I think you'll find that nobody here is actually CONDONING any flagrant breach of immigration laws. But what's DONE is done ... and lambasting the person's irresponsible conduct publicly at this late stage, serves no useful purpose. And whilst the vast majority of us are prepared to abide by the rules, there will always be a few people tempted to circumvent the 'System' through sheer force of circumstance ... in the hope they'll "get away with it".

As one of those who have trod the arduous, anxiety-ridden path in order to LEGALLY bring my wife to the United Kingdom, it would've been so easy for me to be judgemental in cases like this one. Rightly or wrongly, however, I felt it wasn't my place to censure ... but rather to offer whatever helpful advice I could to make the best of a very difficult situation for the parties concerned and, in so doing, try to be tolerant of others' misdemeanours.

[donnabelvaldeo]

thank you very much for those who commented on my case. i know that it will be very hard for us but we'll try my best. We have had breach the rules because of circumstances, and we are sorry for that, We want to put everything straight not just to be willing to abide the rules but most importantly for our family to live together legally, peacefully and happily.

to those who were asking what is my daughter's passport, its a filipino passport. that time, we thought that my daughter cannot get british citizenship even though her father is a british citizen because we were not married and was afraid to ask Home Office because our intention is to go home voluntarily and not to be deported, so that we wont face a ban in the UK in our future application.

[maricel28]

hi donna i understand how you fell at the coz im the same situation but lucky soon im flying to uk, dont lose your hope just do what is best for you and you daugther soon you will reunited to your boyfriend and soon to be your husband i know you are honest person trying to sort everything legally.ang i know you have the reason thats why you done this before.gud luck and try to do all the best

[jaishann]

thank you very much for those who commented on my case. i know that it will be very hard for us but we'll try my best. We have had breach the rules because of circumstances, and we are sorry for that, We want to put everything straight not just to be willing to abide the rules but most importantly for our family to live together legally, peacefully and happily.

to those who were asking what is my daughter's passport, its a filipino passport. that time, we thought that my daughter cannot get british citizenship even though her father is a british citizen because we were not married and was afraid to ask Home Office because our intention is to go home voluntarily and not to be deported, so that we wont face a ban in the UK in our future application.

Hello Donna,,just keep in mind things happen for a reason. Focus and have faith and as Pete said be honest. (it's the best policy)..

People made mistake and I'm happy to hear that you ackowledge them. For you to come out and seek advise through this site is one good move. Hoping all things goes well and Keep the spirit up.

[neallie]

I think you'll find that nobody here is actually CONDONING any flagrant breach of immigration laws. But what's DONE is done ... and lambasting the person's irresponsible conduct publicly at this late stage, serves no useful purpose. And whilst the vast majority of us are prepared to abide by the rules, there will always be a few people tempted to circumvent the 'System' through sheer force of circumstance ... in the hope they'll "get away with it".

As one of those who have trod the arduous, anxiety-ridden path in order to legally bring my wife to the United Kingdom, it would've been so easy for me to be judgemental in cases like this one. Rightly or wrongly, however, I felt it wasn't my place to censure ... but rather to offer whatever helpful advice I could to make the best of a very difficult situation for the parties concerned and, in so doing, try to be tolerant of others' misdemeanours.

Obviously you are not a lawyer Arthur. By offering encouraging to this person knowing her situation you are a conspirator to defraud the Government.
In 1985 a certain Lester Piggott OBE was convicted of tax evasion, stripped of his OBE sentenced to 3years in prison, made to pay the tax and do community service. While I am sure the amounts are not the same as Ms Donna, ask a Doctor how much it costs for 9 months maternity care.
The Law is the Law.
I do hope the people waiting for that essential operation on there 6 month waiting list are as understanding as some of the people on this site, while some illegal is having it for free.
As long as it is your pension, health care, policing that these people are dibbing into then go ahead and offer them sympathy and support, I am sure Ms Donna will be sending you a few quid when you need that operation that is not available on the NHS because they don’t have the resources .
If they wish to be together so much then he should come and stay in the PI….. Oh I forgot that would mean paying for everything and they only want to sponge of others
With a bit of luck she should be able to get back into the UK in time to put the Daughter in for free day care, and later free education.
Don’t get me wrong I wish everyone who is applying to be with there loved one and going about it in the right way the very best of luck, and they need it, because the system is being abused so much that the government keep making things harder, although I feel its to little to late.

It Is our duty to protect the right of every British Citizen against anyone that is breaking the law, not to protect those that are breaking the law.

[joebloggs]

I wouldn't be surprised if you don’t class yourself as a good honest person!!

I can't believe that this forum, which is here to help and support genuine cases of need when you are openly encouraging this person by wishing her luck in obtaining entry to the UK, who has broken all the conditions of her tourist visa, defrauded the government of taxes by working cash in hand, then abused the NHS of valuable time and resources for 9 months and beyond while she had a baby then her boyfriend defrauded the social services for funds while he claimed single parent allowance, this person not only needs banning from the UK but should have been locked up with her boyfriend for tax evasion and fraud. And I bet you will make a false declaration on you application for your settlement Visa.
Although I live in the Philippines I still pay my taxes to the British Government to pay for Illegal immigrants like you to abuse the system, and If I return to the UK I am not allowed medical assistance for 6 months.....As Pete says If I was caught overstaying my Visa I would be thrown in Jail Heavily fined and deported.

More fooled to the British Government for allowing you to just go, or if you want to return making sure you have paid back the debt to the Tax payers and medical services of the UK.
Me personally, I don’t wish you luck I hope they catch up with you...

i try not to judge people, not without knowing the fully story or having walked in their shoes. thou i don't support people who bend or break the rules, as it is unfair on those who go by the book. but the lady has asked for help, and if she gets her visa it will be becuase of immgration law not becuase of me wishing her good luck

i wish everyone good luck, life too short to be a grumpy , and before anyone starts, i'm not saying you are , but have you ever made a mistake or done something you shouldn't have and did anyone ever help you out ?

as for defrauding the gov, its ok for well paid MP's to commit fraud, but not ok for someone getting paid a few £ an hour.

anyway like it or not, she will probably get her visa, shes been out of the uk more than a year, left at her own expense.

if you want to do something, complain about how unfair the system is, why is it easier for a european living in the uk to bring their wife here, and more difficult for a brit living in their own country to bring his wife here.. and tell me if your gov ever bother replying to how unfair the system is

[Arthur Little]

Joe, I'm very much obliged to you for defusing a potentially volatile situation. Frankly, I was torn between posting an retort in protest against what COULD be construed as a besmirch of my character vis-a-vis an apparent accusation of *"conspiring to defraud the British Government" [*which couldn't be further from the truth!] ... and simply "letting sleeping dogs lie". But you've saved me the time and effort ...

Thanks, mate.

[joebloggs]

i dont think anyone supports people who abuse visa's, i for one, probably have more reason to complain than anyone on here, after paying more than £4,000 for visas for the misses and kids

the bb is a british citizen, and has a right to live here and also is totally innoncent of any wrong doing..

her mistake was falling in love with a brit, if it was a european living in the uk she probably wouldn't have had to leave the country at all, that's the fair british justice system for you, or should i say european immigration laws

[neallie]

i try not to judge people, not without knowing the fully story or having walked in their shoes. thou i don't support people who bend or break the rules, as it is unfair on those who go by the book. but the lady has asked for help, and if she gets her visa it will be becuase of immgration law not becuase of me wishing her good luck

i wish everyone good luck, life too short to be a grumpy , and before anyone starts, i'm not saying you are , but have you ever made a mistake or done something you shouldn't have and did anyone ever help you out ?

as for defrauding the gov, its ok for well paid MP's to commit fraud, but not ok for someone getting paid a few £ an hour.

anyway like it or not, she will probably get her visa, shes been out of the uk more than a year, left at her own expense.

if you want to do something, complain about how unfair the system is, why is it easier for a european living in the uk to bring their wife here, and more difficult for a brit living in their own country to bring his wife here.. and tell me if your gov ever bother replying to how unfair the system is

I think some people are missing the point, as for it being “ok for well paid MP to commit fraud” but not ok for Ms Donna. If you consider just having the baby on the day costs £15,000 to the NHS if it is a straight forward birth, plus the £1000’s in child support as a single parent… then you must have big pockets to carry this loose change. Also I refer to the case of Lester Piggott OBE and Lord Jeffery Archer MP who were both sent to prison, so no it not ok!!!

Yes of course we have all made mistakes, but knowing what you are doing is wrong and is premeditated, and is different to making a mistake, the visa clearly states:-
EXPIRES ON…… NO WORK OR NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS, which bit did she not understand

I realise that the blame cannot be laid at the feet of people like Ms Donna but the feet of the people who make and enforce the laws of the Country, it is the people that have trod this path before her that have made the path easier.

I have had my say and no doubt it will not change a thing and Yes after time and a little effort using the fact that she has a child that needs her father the Government will grant another user into the system a Visa
Living here in the Philippines makes me wonder what happened to the UK the Filipinos are so proud and so patriotic of there country stopping the traffic in the road standing in silence while they raise the flag and play there national Anthem, Can we do that in the UK….. No because we might offend the sensitive.

Perth in Scotland is a beautiful place and far removed form the real world of Manchester, Birmingham, London where we are being smothered by the Illegal users with more rights than a British Citizen, Where Mosques are built bearing the name Saddam Hussein and the brother of Osama Bin laden is applying for his residency to the Uk and trying to buy Newcastle United F.C.

I made my protest to the Government 10 years ago…… by leaving.
I have no intention of responding any further, I stand by what I say, and I will gladly help people with a genuine need !!!!!!

[Arthur Little]

I think some people are missing the point … I refer to the case of Lester Piggott OBE and Lord Jeffery Archer MP who were both sent to prison, so no it's not ok!!!

As you correctly surmise, I am NOT a lawyer. But, having worked within a penal setting for almost 15 years, I CAN claim to have sufficient knowledge as to how the Prison System works to justify my implicit belief that there is one law for the "run of the mill" offender ... and quite ANOTHER for the "privileged few", e.g.:

Your average "punter" will normally serve two thirds of his/her sentence prior to being released ... subject to "good behaviour" throughout the period of incarceration.

Archer was jailed for four years on July 19, 2001. Very soon afterwards [October 2001] he was transferred to an "open prison" and, in July 2003 was paroled on licence, having served no more than HALF his sentence and retained his peerage ... clearly indicative of a "Them & Us" situation. Piggot's case, I'm less "familiar" with [given that it arose a long time ago] and so cannot comment.

Yes of course we have all made mistakes, but knowing what you are doing is wrong and is premeditated

Not one of us is perfect. But here again, there's a world of difference between someone in Donna's circumstances and those of the
people appointed to uphold the laws of the land. It's more than likely that people like this young lady (whose partner was jobless at the time) were living 'hand to mouth' and undergoing severe hardship and emotional distress simply in order to BE TOGETHER while struggling endlessly to 'keep their heads above water'. Yet, at the other end of the scale, so-called "honorable" Members of Parliament were wilfully, blatantly and deliberately "feathering their own nests" at the taxpayers' expense. Okay, in each of the two examples I've quoted there is an equal degree of premeditation. But where one stems from a 'basic survival instinct' (Donna's) the other amounts to nothing less than sheer GREED (MP's fraudulent expense claims) ... for which there is absolutely NO justification. In the Philippines, the latter would've "rotted" in a hell hole ... yet here in the UK, many somehow manage to retain both their jobs AND their status.

I realise that the blame cannot be laid at the feet of people like Ms Donna but the feet of the people who make and enforce the laws of the Country.

All TOO TRUE, I'm afraid!!

I have had my say ...

... and so have I. And let's just agree to differ ... in CERTAIN respects, at least!

I have no intention of responding any further, I stand by what I say, and I will gladly help people with a genuine need !!!!!!

Nor do I. And, like YOU, I shall remain true to my beliefs, as far as the "Haves" and Have Nots" are concerned. I will also continue to help people in need - HERE and elsewhere - to the best of my ability.

[aphrodite78]

to arthur little,

well said and you are so spot on.

[Arthur Little]

to arthur little,

well said and you are so spot on.

Thank you for your support.

[aphrodite78]

Yes! DOnna did break the immigration rule on the first place but then she voluntarily went home to her country of origin. She's now seeking an info's for her fresh visa application which is a next chapter of her life.

well said Lady J, I agree with you and for others who tried looking at it in a bigger picture and not just the mistake she has made.

Yes of course we have all made mistakes, but knowing what you are doing is wrong and is premeditated, and is different to making a mistake, the visa clearly states:- EXPIRES ON…… NO WORK OR NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS, which bit did she not understand

I made my protest to the Government 10 years ago…… by leaving.
I have no intention of responding any further, I stand by what I say, and I will gladly help people with a genuine need !!!!!!

You yourself have admitted that we all make mistakes and whatever opinion or criticism you got, you are entitled to that we all live in a free country.

i don't condone or agree with what she has done and i don't think that it is fair to still criticise her when in fact she is now trying to lead a new life.
situation plays a major role on how we make our decision in life. if she was placed on a different situation surely she would have made a different decision and she wouldn't be here now in this forum asking for help or advice. i am sure you have made mistake in your life as well.

two wrongs can't make one situation right but you have to look at it in a bigger picture. who knows what really happened during her entire stay
in the uk? she may have wanted to come clean but her being pregnant may have stopped her from going back to the phils as her motherly instinct played on her.

like most of you i don't condone nor encouraged what she has done. i think you couldn't really choose who you fall in love with. it just happened that
she fell in love with an english guy and got pregnant.their offspring shouldn't suffer from this. it's not about them anymore it's about the their daughters life now. i think it was a bit harsh when some said they just wanted to milk the system by choosing to live here.

we have once thought of just going back to the phils with my hubby and kids but being a parent made us think we are best to stay put and work our socks off and emigrate when we have built sufficient fund. my husband and i know that our plans won't work in the phils as we both work from home and we do stuff that only works in the uk. maybe they got the same situation who knows? that doesn't mean that they will milk the system this time and enjoy the freebies. when you are a parent i think it is just natural to think sensible and think what is best for your child.

we all agree on one thing here, we don't agree with what she has done, but she is trying to lead a new life now. that is already done we can't change it. i should also be criticising her because i came back to the phils to process my papers legally and didn't overstayed when i first came here because i am aware of the immigration law. got 2 kids that have to go through hoops and loops just to come here and live with us. i am just thankful that i didn't have to go through what she has been through. i think next time before we criticise it is best to place ourselves on that person's shoes and perhaps we would come to a conclusion that we are lucky that we are able to make choices in life.

[IainBusby]

you dont deserve to be allowed back, you have abused the system, and to all the people who follow the rules, you are a disgrace, I suggest you get a job in SM, and live in the philippines, you are obviously distrustful , and deceitful

Wow, aren't we just so full of the milk of human kindness and compassion.

[Arthur Little]

Wow, aren't we just so full of the milk of human kindness and compassion.

MY thoughts entirely!

[Arthur Little]

you dont deserve to be allowed back, you have abused the system, and to all the people who follow the rules, you are a disgrace, I suggest you get a job in SM, and live in the philippines, you are obviously distrustful , and deceitful

Harsh words, indeed! I would refer you to the post submitted by Donna 6 days ago; it appears at the top of THIS page. Can I respectfully suggest you ... and THEN ask yourself what [in all honesty] YOU would've done, HAD (God forbid) you found yourself facing a similar situation? And I quote:

"Let those who are without sin, cast the first stone!"