Owen stuns Man City in derby thriller

[Win2Win]

Substitute Michael Owen scores in the sixth minute of injury time to earn Manchester United a stunning 4-3 win over Manchester City.

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[Dedworth]

Substitute Michael Owen scores in the sixth minute of injury time to earn Manchester United a stunning 4-3 win over Manchester City.

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Dodgy Ref ..............obscene amount of injury time

[bornatbirth]

just watching match of the day and

[les_taxi]

Dodgy Ref ..............obscene amount of injury time

and if city had scored then you would have no complaints

[Matt7]

4 minutes injury time
1 minute celebration
30 seconds substitution

goal scored 95:30
injury time 5:30

Seems just right to me

[triple5]

so why not put 5.30 on the board

[KeithD]

You don't get this farce in rugby, 4 minutes injury time is 4 minutes. It is only in the last few years football has become a farce with extra time. How come every substitution is 30 secs?

1 minute for a goal celebration, wll hang on.

5 Subs in the match = 2.5 mins
5 Goals in proper time = 5 mins
Injuries = Usually adds at least 1 min
1 Goal in extra time = Bonus 1 mins
1 Sub in extra time = Bonus 30 secs
= about 10 minutes ...ref can't do simple maths

I've never figured out why they give extra time for subs? Surely extra time should be for players cheating rolling on the floor time wasting, not for an official part of the game! The initial theory of extra time was just to compensate for time wasters.

[les_taxi]

i don't know why everyone is getting worked up about it so much,it is the same for both teams out there.if man city had scored a late,late winner then there would have been a lot of smiley icons on heresometimes it works in your teams favour some times not.i worry that if we go down the routse of extra officials,more cameras,precision time keping by an atomic clock etc etc it will end up like bloody american sports with more breaks and stoppages than action.the game is still thrilling and yes if man utd had lost to a late goal i would have been gutted but thats what the whole game is about hi-s and low-s.it's never going to be a game of exact science and mistakes have been made but i think that adds to the randomness of the game.there are many instances where the wrond decisions have been made by refs which have benefited all the teams we support on here-we have all won and lost some but i still think unless you want to alter the game we love with all i mentioned before then it will take something away from the game which has been there from the beginning-human error.we may not have won the world cup in 66 without it!

[KeithD]

i don't know why everyone is getting worked up about it so much...

Because it happens in every match these days, and has only recently sneaked in to include extra time for all manner of things.

Take yesterdays 6th goal, from goal to kick-off was 45 secs, so the ref adds on 1 min? Why?

You need extra time for injuries, but that is all, goal scoring and subs have always been part of the game, with no need to add on time for over 100 years.

God forbid if a Prem game ever has 6 subs, and at 90 mins is 5-5 (possible), sticking to the present law that would have to be 13 extra minutes

[Dedworth]

i don't know why everyone is getting worked up about it so much,it is the same for both teams out there.if man city had scored a late,late winner then there would have been a lot of smiley icons on heresometimes it works in your teams favour some times not.i worry that if we go down the routse of extra officials,more cameras,precision time keping by an atomic clock etc etc it will end up like bloody american sports with more breaks and stoppages than action.the game is still thrilling and yes if man utd had lost to a late goal i would have been gutted but thats what the whole game is about hi-s and low-s.it's never going to be a game of exact science and mistakes have been made but i think that adds to the randomness of the game.there are many instances where the wrond decisions have been made by refs which have benefited all the teams we support on here-we have all won and lost some but i still think unless you want to alter the game we love with all i mentioned before then it will take something away from the game which has been there from the beginning-human error.we may not have won the world cup in 66 without it!

What makes me reach for the sick bag is that it is yet another example of time added on being played at Old Trafford until United score the goal that secures them a draw or a win by one goal margin. Final whistle is then blown immediately afterwards - no time was added on for Owen's goal celebration unlike Bellamy's.

As an aside there's been a lot of talk about City's defence being crap - what about United ? - Ferdinand gave another calamitous display and the goalkeeper looks like he's come straight from a pub team.

[Matt7]

so why not put 5.30 on the board

And the referee has indicated a minimum of four minutes added time

The 4 minutes were put up before Bellamys goal and before the substitution. Since the referee isn't a mindreader he cant allow for things that are going to happen in the future, can he?

[Matt7]

Because it happens in every match these days, and has only recently sneaked in to include extra time for all manner of things.

Take yesterdays 6th goal, from goal to kick-off was 45 secs, so the ref adds on 1 min? Why?

You need extra time for injuries, but that is all, goal scoring and subs have always been part of the game, with no need to add on time for over 100 years.

God forbid if a Prem game ever has 6 subs, and at 90 mins is 5-5 (possible), sticking to the present law that would have to be 13 extra minutes

Says Mark Hughes. Sky Sports and MOTD say around 55 seconds. Believe who you want

Games sometimes do have 6 subs and 3 minutes injury time is added for it. 30 seconds per sub is standard fare, surely you know this?

[les_taxi]

What makes me reach for the sick bag is that it is yet another example of time added on being played at Old Trafford until United score the goal that secures them a draw or a win by one goal margin. Final whistle is then blown immediately afterwards - no time was added on for Owen's goal celebration unlike Bellamy's.

As an aside there's been a lot of talk about City's defence being crap - what about United ? - Ferdinand gave another calamitous display and the goalkeeper looks like he's come straight from a pub team.

yes the ref knew man utd would score in the extra time allowed,he also reads tea leaves and can predict your future

[jimeve]

yes the ref knew man utd would score in the extra time allowed,he also reads tea leaves and can predict your future

I knew they would score in extra extra time time, City don't know how to defend, and should have taken a leaf out of man youuus book and time wasted ie roll over, fall over clutching head.

[belfast_dude]

a liverpool reject scores the winner...man united need a scouser..lol

[Matt7]

a liverpool reject scores the winner...man united need a scouser..lol

Hes from Cheshire :P

We do need Rooney though, i'll admit that any day of the week

[Dedworth]

I've just read in the Times that non playing Gobby Gary Neville (Uniteds own Sicknote) ran down the touchline to goad the Man City supporters. He has a track record of this behaviour and as such should be again charged by the FA.

[aromulus]

a liverpool reject scores the winner...man united need a scouser..lol

The little turncoat was born in Wales.....

And still hangs around Hawarden, Flintshire.....

[Matt7]

I've just read in the Times that non playing Gobby Gary Neville (Uniteds own Sicknote) ran down the touchline to goad the Man City supporters. He has a track record of this behaviour and as such should be again charged by the FA.

Taken the liberty of pointing out the only relevant part of this post

[triple5]

I've just read in the Times that non playing Gobby Gary Neville (Uniteds own Sicknote) ran down the touchline to goad the Man City supporters. He has a track record of this behaviour and as such should be again charged by the FA.

Ferguson as well, for making a double-clenched fist salute to the City fans. Can't have one rule for one and not for others

[Matt7]

Ferguson as well, for making a double-clenched fist salute to the City fans. Can't have one rule for one and not for others

Oh no, a double clenched salute, someone please think of the children

[triple5]

Oh no, a double clenched salute, someone please think of the children

Calm down, I wouldn't want you to choke on your prawn sandwich

[les_taxi]

Ferguson as well, for making a double-clenched fist salute to the City fans. Can't have one rule for one and not for others

oh no! lets just politely clap show no passion and be jolly good fellows

[aromulus]

Scum is scum............

[les_taxi]

Scum is scum............

see thats what it's all about,nothing to do with time added on

[triple5]

oh no! lets just politely clap show no passion and be jolly good fellows

No wonder your own players call you the prawn sandwich brigade

[les_taxi]

No wonder your own players call you the prawn sandwich brigade

you got a thing for fish?

[KeithD]

.......City don't know how to defend.....

...and obviously ManU do after letting in 3 goals!

[Dedworth]

...and obviously ManU do after letting in 3 goals!

Rio Ferdinand is making a great effort emulating his brother Anton

[KeithD]

Rio Ferdinand is making a great effort emulating his brother Anton

It's taken years of practice for Rio to start getting as bad as him!