Conferences

[IainBusby]

So who is up to the job then:

1) The Devil (Labour)
2) The Deep Blue Sea (Tory)
3) Thin Air (Lib Dems)

Think I'll go and live in a real democracy where there is real choice, how about er, Zimbabwe

As the saying goes, better the devil you know. All we really know about the tories is what they did in the 80s and 90s. In those days they positively encouraged greed and de-regulated everything. Unfortunately the labour government didn't have the balls to re-instate some of those financial constraints and look where it has got us now. The only thing the tories did do that was good for the UK was to control the might of the trade unions.

I firmly believe that under the Cameron mask that they're all hiding behind, they still believe as Maggie did that there is no such thing as society, only individuals....... and now they rant about broken Britain when it was their policies in the eighties that started the breakdown of society as we had known it in the past.

Our current unemployment was caused by a worldwide recession brought about by the credit crunch which was in turn brought about by greedy bankers selling worthless fluff to each other just to make huge bonuses for themselves. The mass unemployment of the eighties was caused by conservative strict monetarist policies and was accepted by them as a price worth paying......... as long as it wasn't their people (the rich) who were paying it.

Iain.

[whiteraven]

i have to agree with everything you just said iain cameron is only telling people what they want to hear. kicking the disabled , single parents and capping public workers pay. yes we will have to pay the national debt and it will hurt all of us but no mention of silly private wages and bonuses or chasing the rich who avoid paying tax altogether by hiding their money in overseas banks. middle and working class (even though i dont like using class terms) will be the ones to pay not the public school fat cats

[walesrob]

i have to agree with everything you just said iain cameron is only telling people what they want to hear. kicking the disabled , single parents and capping public workers pay. yes we will have to pay the national debt and it will hurt all of us but no mention of silly private wages and bonuses or chasing the rich who avoid paying tax altogether by hiding their money in overseas banks. middle and working class (even though i dont like using class terms) will be the ones to pay not the public school fat cats

Seems like Cameron can't win can he? If he proposes this, he gets shot down for being all PR and no substance, if he proposes that, he gets accused of being a toff whose only concern is lining his own pockets. Your not really giving him a chance are you? Hope you enjoy 5 more years of this lying, deceitful and spinning Labour government.

[whiteraven]

if he proposes hitting the bloated rich to then maybe i will sit up and take notice

[IainBusby]

if he proposes hitting the bloated rich to then maybe i will sit up and take notice

Even though they say we must cut public spending, they're still sticking to their promise to abolish inheritance tax. I do believe that inheritance tax, because of house price inflation is affecting many people that the original tax was not aimed at and in the south east especially mr or mrs average. But this throwing the baby out with the bathwater approach is not the answer and only means that mr or mrs average will have to pay more in other ways just so that the super rich (those who the tax was originally aimed at) can pass on all of their wealth to their probably already wealthy offspring..... and the rich get richer and the poor and the average get poorer....... same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was, with a tory government.

Iain.

[whiteraven]

amen to that!!!

[Northerner]

I voted for Labour in the first two elections in the current administrations lifetime, didn't bother with the last as at the time I had just moved home and was not able to vote there.

This time I will make sure I can vote!

I cannot understand the notion of vote for the bad guy's because those other guys might be worse.. And any MP who tells me that loses my vote on the principle he or she has nothing to offer but excuses. As for the Tories, I am convinced they are as bad as the current Labour administration (if not worse). But at the same time Labour needs a good kick up the backside, Brown needs to retire to the Lords and Mandleson (finally) needs to go once and for all.

The current crop of Labour MPs we have are weak, corrupt apologists who would rather try and take a few more civil liberties away than do any real work to solve some of the problems of this country! The Tories are a bunch of Euro skeptic crazies who would sell their own mothers if it got them elected (But at least they have David Davies). And The Liberals couldn't wait to stab their greatest asset in the back when they found out he had a drink problem... Hmmmm...

Think this year I will stick my vote with the person I want as my MP!

[walesrob]

same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was

Talking Heads - Once in a Lifetime How ironic.

[KeithD]

.... kicking the disabled ...

All 2.6 million of them a 'Incapaticated'?

Some days I am bed ridden and still do my work.

Incapacity should be the sameas a War Pension, you get it in %'s.

[IainBusby]

All 2.6 million of them a 'Incapaticated'?

Some days I am bed ridden and still do my work.

Incapacity should be the sameas a War Pension, you get it in %'s.

Who was it that encouraged able bodied but somehwat feckless people to move on to incapacity benefit to make the unemployment figures look better, the tories of course.

[KeithD]

.... the tories of course.

I don't remember Labour doing anything about it apart from putting more on it like smackheads, people with a sore back, broken fingernails.... mind you, they've only had 23 years

[IainBusby]

I don't remember Labour doing anything about it apart from putting more on it like smackheads, people with a sore back, broken fingernails.... mind you, they've only had 23 years

I agree, labour also found it convenient to have people on invalidity benifit rather than swelling the headline unemployment figures, but was initially a tory idea. I think your maths is a bit suspect though Keith, labour have only been in power since 1997, although to some, those who can't stand the labour party whoever is their leader, it might feel like much longer than 12 years.

[KeithD]

I agree, labour also found it convenient to have people on invalidity benifit rather than swelling the headline unemployment figures, but was initially a tory idea. I think your maths is a bit suspect though Keith, labour have only been in power since 1997, although to some, those who can't stand the labour party whoever is their leader, it might feel like much longer than 12 years.

Not my maths, a number of independents such as universities have come up with similar figures http://firstrung.co.uk/articles.asp?...155&cat=44-0-0

Incapacity is an excellent benefit, but it has been allowed to abused and get out of hand. It needs to be renamed "I can't be doing any work benefit"