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[IainBusby]

By gum lad.....

Sound like "Red Robbo" and Scargill, all rolled into one.....

The country and its people have been stitched up by Labour and the unions from day one, and although you can see it, you will not admit it.

With respect Dom, I'm definately no Red Robbo or a Scargill, in fact I actually voted for Margaret Thatcher in 1979 because I was concerned about the trade unions holding the country to ransom. I am at heart neither a tory or a labour supporter because as I see it, the overall policies of both parties have flaws. But from past experience I don't believe the tories are capable of governing in the interests of all of the people and they and will, if elected, pander to the extreme right wingers in their midst and structure the tax and benefits system in the UK to please only those they see as their natural true blue tory supporters.

The only reason I would choose the labour party over the conservatives is because their leanings are not as extreme as the conservative party. If the labour party had been the opposite extreme of the tory party, then during the past 12 years they would have sqeezed the rich until the pips squeaked as one 60's or 70's labour politician once famously said he would like to do.

I think you ought to look at the tories very closely and decide whether your just a natural tory supporter who could never find flaws in anything they propose or if you're a free thinker and are prepared to question their policies and look at both sides of every issue before you make up your mind.

Iain.

[somebody]

With respect Dom, I'm definately no Red Robbo or a Scargill, in fact I actually voted for Margaret Thatcher in 1979 because I was concerned about the trade unions holding the country to ransom. I am at heart neither a tory or a labour supporter because as I see it, the overall policies of both parties have flaws. But from past experience I don't believe the tories are capable of governing in the interests of all of the people and they and will, if elected, pander to the extreme right wingers in their midst and structure the tax and benefits system in the UK to please only those they see as their natural true blue tory supporters.

The only reason I would choose the labour party over the conservatives is because their leanings are not as extreme as the conservative party. If the labour party had been the opposite extreme of the tory party, then during the past 12 years they would have sqeezed the rich until the pips squeaked as one 60's or 70's labour politician once famously said he would like to do.

I think you ought to look at the tories very closely and decide whether your just a natural tory supporter who could never find flaws in anything they propose or if you're a free thinker and are prepared to question their policies and look at both sides of every issue before you make up your mind.

Iain.

Im seeing shadows of blair with cameron already shadowy figures are said to be at play. In fact its like de ja vu of 96-97 to me.
Labour or Tory both need to be vanila to get in nowdays. Look at radical obama not much has really changed or be allowed to.

Of course right wingers with the tories may break out, but like the left wingers found they may get beaten down for the career poltical types who choose blue or red depending on who will get them furthest in their career.

Once in power they will like Labour want to stay there and stop any personalities (right or left wing) from having a point of view. Just like your Dennis Skinners were muffled and then shuffled off along with any others who did not toe the party line.

[Northerner]

My biggest problem with all political parties is how they like to further the nanny state!

If an MP stood up and declared free speech and human rights were the most important things on their agenda. I could forgive a tax policy or whatever...

[IainBusby]

Not my maths, a number of independents such as universities have come up with similar figures http://firstrung.co.uk/articles.asp?...155&cat=44-0-0

Incapacity is an excellent benefit, but it has been allowed to abused and get out of hand. It needs to be renamed "I can't be doing any work benefit"

I wasn't disputing your maths with regard to unemployment or incapacity benefit claimants, it's just that you said labour had had 23 years to do something about it, but the've only been in power since 1997, which is only 12 years.

[KeithD]

I wasn't disputing your maths with regard to unemployment or incapacity benefit claimants, it's just that you said labour had had 23 years to do something about it, but the've only been in power since 1997, which is only 12 years.

That's not my maths, if I was that bad the bookies would be going on holiday with my money instead of the other way round .....I ended up changing the batteries in my keyboard yesterday as I eventually noticed it wasn't writing what I typed and had to go back and edit a number of posts. Bloody technology...give me an old typewriter and a pigeon

[KeithD]

Look at radical obama not much has really changed or be allowed to.

Erm.....a hell of a lot has changed over there if you follow the US news/press, but the UK media only cover the main initiatives like health reform, which is difficult in any country.

[somebody]

Erm.....a hell of a lot has changed over there if you follow the US news/press, but the UK media only cover the main initiatives like health reform, which is difficult in any country.

Yeah i do read american newfeeds and speak day to day with plenty of yanks from all over. Still draging his feet on some major issues i understand include camp guantanamo and it appears some are being bulit up i understand like bagram under his adminstration.

But however much he wishes change if its agasint what the corps want it wont happen it seems The people who tell me this are people who support him and frustrated for him.

[aromulus]

I think you ought to look at the tories very closely and decide whether your just a natural tory supporter who could never find flaws in anything they propose or if you're a free thinker and are prepared to question their policies and look at both sides of every issue before you make up your mind.

Iain.

First of all, I am not a British Citizen and as such I am not allowed to vote.
I consider myself an outsider looking in....
But an outsider with the right to criticize, a right earned by paying taxes, even if unjust, for over 35 years and a non-existent pension.....

During my time here,I have witnessed a once "Great" Britain slide down in status to just "Britain", and very soon, thanks to Labour, it will be just part of the US of Europe, a non entity.

Don't start me off.................

[IainBusby]

First of all, I am not a British Citizen and as such I am not allowed to vote.
I consider myself an outsider looking in....
But an outsider with the right to criticize, a right earned by paying taxes, even if unjust, for over 35 years and a non-existent pension.....

During my time here,I have witnessed a once "Great" Britain slide down in status to just "Britain", and very soon, thanks to Labour, it will be just part of the US of Europe, a non entity.

Don't start me off.................

It's just that everything you say about the labour party is bad and everything you say about the tories is good and politics is never that black and white. For once I would like you show real independance and say something bad about at least 1 or 2 of the tory policies. Even the majority of the card carrying members of the tory party and even their MP's don't agree with all of their policies and are prepared to say so....... in private.

[aromulus]

It's just that everything you say about the labour party is bad and everything you say about the tories is good and politics is never that black and white. For once I would like you show real independance and say something bad about at least 1 or 2 of the tory policies. Even the majority of the card carrying members of the tory party and even their MP's don't agree with all of their policies and are prepared to say so....... in private.

In the past, I had the fortune or not, of running a couple of businesses for an absentee landlord, and I had to make marketing decisions, which initially, to the staff seemed idiotic, and caused some rifts.
But in the end I was proved right, because I stuck to my guns, and everybody, apart from the people that chose to leave, made money and ended up better off in the process.
As far as I am aware, that model is still used, quite successfully, 21 years later.