Now that the BNP has been forced to amend its constitution and allow none white people into their ranks (see story).. I have a question?
What would happen if enough none white people joined the BNP as paying members and voted on a new leader.. A none white leader for the BNP?
And another question. Could they also amend the BNPs constitution even more and make it ultra liberal-left leaning?
The mind boggles in how far the BNP could be ruined!
They need to put it to the vote with the members, and as they are all inbred retards, they'll stuggle to figure out what the big words are in the question!
Keith - Administrator
Northerer, just my thought too.
I guess its just around the corner when all National teams will have to include anybody from any country.
And there will be no women only teams, or men only teams, and every one will have to compete with everyone else. So mixed football. cricket, rugby, boxing .................
No segregated changing rooms, hospital wards, public toilets ............
Or am I just being as stupid as those who say / make it the law, that no group can choose who they want as a member ?
The slime BNP has been allowed to surface from under the rocks, by the ineptitude and carelessness of this gov in regard to lack of border controls, unchecked immigration leading to creation of no go areas ghettos.
The discontent within the indigenous population is growing, and we may yet see open revolts, unless someone in charge does something tangible to sort of stop, or reverse the trend to some degree.
It is all very good and very nice for us open minded and racially unbiased folks, welcoming the diversity of it all, but unfortunately we have to realize that the scum lives here too, and it is too late to deal with it efficiently.
They have managed to sow the seeds of discord, thanks to incompetent, greedy politicians, only worried about their status and income, and the task of re-educating people, on the matter, is going to be very hard if not impossible.
My fear is that, not content with a couple of seats in Europe, they will gain some in Parliament.... And that is something which may drag democracy down the pan...
My fear is that, not content with a couple of seats in Europe, they will gain some in Parliament.... And that is something which may drag democracy down the pan...
Aromulus. I am not a supporter of BNP, nor any extreme group who seek to impose their will on others, but doesn't 'democracy' imply all should be allowed their view. If not, then its a slippery slope to, those who can decide who can be represented and those who cant, with the result: no democracy.
Isn't it better that the majority can be allowed to ridicule those, on ALL SIDES, with whom they do not agree?
You are right.Originally Posted by johncar54
But in a case like this there should be exceptions.
But who will decide?
At present in the UK I believe the law provides for extreme cases where there is incitement to act against another Group. Don't you think that is enough ?
i feel we should live in a country where we are allowed a uncensored and true democracy to air our views but this would just result in it being abused?
it isnt just the BNP,its also the muslim extremist then we could have hardcore porn shown at primetime....seems to me people cant be trusted so we need laws
i have learnt to do what my wife says!
Where is the enforcement..??
Provisions of laws and enforcing them are two separate issues.
The police are afraid to act in case they get sued for all sorts of ridiculous claims against them, or individual officers.
Gone are the days of the copper on a white charger wading into the rioters... And restore peace.
Authority has been eroded to nothing.
And BNP is taking advantage of what has been put in front of them... A captive audience, sick and tired of their MPs not listening or acting on the collective wishes and fears.
I echo your sentiments Dom. However, I refer to your last sentence and I beg the question - 'What democracy?'
Indeed, philosophically speaking, democracy is somewhat of an abstract concept.
Al.
Pressed rat and warthog closed down their shop!
I refer to democracy in 'political' terms.
Al.
Pressed rat and warthog closed down their shop!
Alan, I appreciate 'where you are coming from' but I think most people have an everyday idea, as Wikipedia definition:-
"Even though there is no specific, universally accepted definition of 'democracy' there are two principles that any definition of democracy includes, equality and freedom. These principles are reflected by all citizens being equal before the law, and having equal access to power. Additionally, all citizens are able to enjoy legitimized freedoms and liberties, which are usually protected by a constitution."
If democracy is so why is it a different process in each democratic country?
Keith - Administrator
If that is a serious question, which I accept it may not be !If democracy is so why is it a different process in each democratic country?
It is because the word -democracy- does not have one universal meaning and thus can be used to describe a number of different systems.
Maybe like -motor car- they are all similar but at the extremes very different. Or humans etc.
Yes!
It's a generic statement question on a public forum that is asking for other people's views.
Keith - Administrator
Yes!
It's a generic statement question on a public forum that is asking for other people's views.
Well in that case, I am glad I gave you my answer.
Democracy...... A joke at times....
Election times is a democratic process... That is, in my opinion, where everything democratic ends.
Because after that, whoever gets elected seems to think that the mandate given to them by the voters for dealing with issues close to their hearts, does not matter at all, and it is just seen as a nuisance.
Remember the main reason we didn't have an EU Referendum? "You can't trust the public"
Another reason was; "The public just don't understand it" - So how many MP's actually read it all? Probably count them on your hand.
If they ae so clever with these things, why not test them? Those that pass get a vote.
Keith - Administrator
why not test them? Those that pass get a vote.
I don't think you meant the electorate but maybe that would be a good idea.
After all one must pass a test before driving a car, and who we vote for is more important than driving.
I think I am petty safe in saying, although I will get shot for saying it, a large percentage of the electorate probably don't understand the reasons why they might choose one candidate rather than another.
Many vote labour because its the working mans party or conservative because it not the work mans party, or Social Democratic because they should be given a chance.'
And, its probably those who don't understand why they should vote for one party or another, who's vote decides who get elected.
I vote for the one with the best pubic hair style..... it shows effort!
Keith - Administrator
That would be the merkin party,a different style every dayI vote for the one with the best pubic hair style..... it shows effort!
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If muslimcan have their say then i`ll happily listen to the BNP. If they cant have their say then neither should muslims. Simple really.
I`ll also be more than happy if I never heard or saw either of them for the rest of my lifetime.
Obviously haven't been on a demo recently then. In my experience they are worse than they ever were
Here inthe UK we pride ourselves on democracy. But democracy means that a person or a group or people who are advocating at the top of their lungs what you would spend your life to deny, to fight even has the right to speak their mind.
To deny this, means we become the thing we fear - a group of people who want to deny another group equal rights based on not liking them. In a perverse way, we become the racists.
BNP like so many other groups hate. Their hatred is based on skin colour, religion, ethnicity and a group of other things. There will always be people who thrive on fear, on hatred and these people will always point a finger at a minority group and shout its all their fault. Protestants hate Catholics in Ireland and vis versa. Muslims hate Christians. Whites hate everyone else. As Chris Rock the comedian put it .........."Niggers and Jews is next, that train is never late".
What's the answer? For me the answer is to understand and everyone is capable of good and evil, right and wrong, fear and violence. But in 99.9% of us, we keep it in check. It's the 0.01% that cause trouble and they cause a lot of it. So lets not give these people a platform beyond what is reasonable.
Well said
The worse thing you could do with the BNP and other extremist bigoted groups is to ban them make them seem daring to be part off to some.
Like the police do let them say in the public eye where they can keep an eye on them, they dont seem exciting to those who want to rebel.
Look at clockwork orange i remeber it being exciting to watch a video of when tyounger now since its shown on TV now and then its lost all the appeal.
Banning or stopping people do something often has the wrong affect it seems.
Im pretty Sure many young Muslim and White extremists just doing it to rebel. Many of their parents I bet were not sharing the same extreme views in fact more likely the opposite.
Make the groups mundane and out argue them whoever the bigots are.
Oh lord why did you make so many clothes and shoe shops
true andy, look at Sinn Féin they get a taste of power and they like it and want to keep it, so they have to become more moderate and electable, probably the same with the BNP, they got 2 euro mp's who will want to stay there now they have some power and i'm sure they will water down thier policies so they get the votes to stay there..
the BNP in europe,i thought they wanna keep foreigners out,now they go to work with them
i may vote for them,looks like they are changing for the better
i have learnt to do what my wife says!
Well they would need to change a lot before i would vote for them.
I mean the american liberals party who now have a Black Leader were once pro slavery.
Oh lord why did you make so many clothes and shoe shops
give the bnp euro mps a year there and what a great life their having on their expenses i wouldn't be surprised if they then defected to the conservativesthe BNP in europe,i thought they wanna keep foreigners out,now they go to work with them
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