Under old system

[James Hubbard]

im nvq so i can work 40 hours because others work more than 40 hours.

That's a logical fallacy.

Assumption 1) I am an accountant
Assumption 2) Other accountants lie and steal
Assumption 3) It's OK for me to do so.

Not the case, because between Assumption 2 and assumption 3 you need to make the logical leap from "doing" something to it being "ok to do" the thing.

So remove Assumption 2b, and your conclusion is logically not valid.

However.

I once knew a chinese student, let's call him "Mr Dong" (as that is his name)

1) He is only allowed to work 20 hours
2) He worked more than 20 hours
3) He left country for a holiday
4) He wasn't allowed back into country again
5) It's because of his work time being above what he's allowed.


So ... in closing, all I'll say is ... you want to take the risk?

[vbkelly]

That's a logical fallacy.

Assumption 1) I am an accountant
Assumption 2) Other accountants lie and steal
Assumption 3) It's OK for me to do so.

Not the case, because between Assumption 2 and assumption 3 you need to make the logical leap from "doing" something to it being "ok to do" the thing.

So remove Assumption 2b, and your conclusion is logically not valid.

However.

I once knew a chinese student, let's call him "Mr Dong" (as that is his name)

1) He is only allowed to work 20 hours
2) He worked more than 20 hours
3) He left country for a holiday
4) He wasn't allowed back into country again
5) It's because of his work time being above what he's allowed.


So ... in closing, all I'll say is ... you want to take the risk?

agree! but some student visa people their intention to coming here is to work work and work, they don't use the purpose of their visa as long as they are here in the uk

[James Hubbard]

agree! but some student visa people their intention to coming here is to work work and work, they don't use the purpose of their visa as long as they are here in the uk

As soon as the inspectors get a whiff, then the aforementioned will be out on their . . . if you get a student visa on false pretenses, it'll be a black mark against you for the rest of your life! Not worth it. To work, you get a work permit. It is a courtesy to students that they are allowed to work 20 hours. They should just say "thank you. I'll take it" instead of being greedy!

[darren-b]

As soon as the inspectors get a whiff, then the aforementioned will be out on their . . . if you get a student visa on false pretenses, it'll be a black mark against you for the rest of your life! Not worth it. To work, you get a work permit. It is a courtesy to students that they are allowed to work 20 hours. They should just say "thank you. I'll take it" instead of being greedy!

The problem is the system is it still doesn't do enough to ensure international students can actually afford to study here, and many agencies don't help by suggesting as a NVQ student you can work full-time and earn a decent income. I am not saying it is the case here but you are then left with students who need to work full-time not because they are greedy but to live and pay back any expenses it cost them to get the visa.

[joebloggs]

the confusion caused by how many hours you can work should be ended for those on NVQ courses,

as for those on VV's or for people who are claiming asylum work paid or unpaid is WORK, and the 20hrs limited should be applied to those on NVQ's to.