Immigration Topic! I feel sick and tired!

[pennybarry]

You mean prince charles and camilla's baby?

Lols! You made me laugh!
You mean it's back to the future?

Dont forget the americans Pen,I never understood the philippino fascination with americans,after all didnt they kill an estimated 600,000 pinoys during the
Filipino-american war,we all know what the "The monkeys have no tails in Zamboanga" song was referring to

Oh yes Tawi I forgot to mention them! My Nanay said they left too much filipino women preggy. These women were crying at the sea port when americans left them!

[Arthur Little]

Plenty of immigrants are very qualified to do a particular job that's why they are not being hired. But what annoys me most are those people who are moaning about income benefits but still wont do anything to find a decent job. All they want is to get money from the government and just be lazy.

Exactly, Zobel,

I pray your Myrna will find one soon. (what about not declaring her qualifications? eeekk, will it help?)

Many thanks! As regards not declaring her qualifications ... see my response to Pumpkins' post.

[Arthur Little]

Months ago,I watched about British Ancestors from thousand years ago. I forgot what they *called them. They were not white, big ears, big face.

* Neanderthals [I think] Penny.

Our ancestors, fought with Japanese as well as Spaniards because it's our own country and they didn't treat us well. Spanish called us Indio and did something against our country. Japanese as well.

Yeah, I believe the Japanese and the Spaniards both treated the Filipino people very cruelly indeed ... the s!!

But this times, we treat foreigners something special.
No more wars and we always declare love.

IMHO, the Philippines "tops the charts" as being one of the friendliest ... and most peaceable ... nations in the entire world. Oh sure, there's the terrorist factions, but they're in the minority and, as far as I'm aware, restricted to certain "religious" extremists existing in mountainous locations.

[Sophie]

[QUOTE=Jay&Zobel;185206]Plenty of immigrants are very qualified to do a particular job that's why they are not being hired. But what annoys me most are those people who are moaning about income benefits but still wont do anything to find a decent job. All they want is to get money from the government and just be lazy.QUOTE]

Very true

[pennybarry]

* Neanderthals [I think] Penny.

Yes ! I think so That's European origins and ours too.???

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...%3D80%26um%3D1

[James Hubbard]

Penny, I think, when it comes to the emotive issue of immigration and immigrants, it's not that british people whine, it's just that there are 2 sides to every coin. I completely understand your side, but then you gotta understand the side of the people who are complaining, try to hear inside their arguments for the kernel (or more) of truth that may be found within.

That's all I'll say.

Thanks, Jim Hub.

[darren-b]

Many thanks! As regards not declaring her qualifications ... see my response to Pumpkins' post.

Bit confused. You may have to provide a CV but it doesn't mean you have to provide all the information. Being modest on a CV isn't a problem (most people do the opposite....) and is worth dong if you feel your wife is being overlooked because she is too qualified.

[James Hubbard]

Bit confused. You may have to provide a CV but it doesn't mean you have to provide all the information. Being modest on a CV isn't a problem (most people do the opposite....) and is worth dong if you feel your wife is being overlooked because she is too qualified.

I have learnt from my aforementioned experiences that when my wife applies for jobs at McD's (all to learn the trade before starting our burger bar here in pinas), she'll not mention her university education!

[pumpkins]

Poor hubby, his name always changed with Berry

my apologies to you pennybarry

[JimOttley]

I didn't ignore them. I moved and sat between them and shared some topics like filipino nurses here. I said we have 40,000+ nurses here and paying tax, and cannot work here if not gained at least 7.0 in their IELTS. And they didn't know about it.

Too right! Well done Penny, take the fight to them and educate them otherwise they will just absorb the usual stereotypical gossip and repeat it over and over.


Jim

[jaishann]

I was at school yesterday, at the canteen, my classmates chatting about immigrants. They said their benefits are affected because of immigrants coming in the UK. Their benefits is decreasing and they moaning about immigrants who are staying here for years and still couldn't talk english. Blahblahblah

If you watch television, it's the same. It's always the topic and seems really a big problem of UK. blahbalahblah

If you read newspapers, same topic.Blahbalhblah

I told my husband, I feel bit affected as his wife is a foreigner and hear moanings , jobless at the moment, claiming benefits.

Lucky are those birds from other countries and migrates to UK, if british lives close to lakes and streams, and watch the birds at lakes/streams/rivers, then they feel happy anout migrated birds here. But if human beings migrates here, I don't know if they are happy.

dont get affected you are luckier than me where I used to work there was one who hated foreigns as theyve taken her husbands job haha. She always pull her face on me but i just ignored here. Have a good day.

[JimOttley]

Yes ! I think so That's European origins and ours too.???

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...%3D80%26um%3D1

To correct a little misinterpretation, the Neanderthal's were a branch of humanity a separate species it is thought, they branched from our line a long long time ago, it is not known if any interbreeding could still occur with Cro-Magnon people around 45,000 years back so they may not have been a completely separate species (species boundary is usually defined by an inability to interbreed successfully)

The Neanderthal's are extinct, modern humans are from a separate lineage going back a long long way.

Jim

[joebloggs]

I didn't ignore them. I moved and sat between them and shared some topics like filipino nurses here. I said we have 40,000+ nurses here and paying tax, and cannot work here if not gained at least 7.0 in their IELTS. And they didn't know about it.

and non British Europeans who want to work in the UK don't need to take ILETS, it's discrimination against non Europeans and crazy that someone who cannot read, write or speak English to a set standard could treat someone, if your first language is not English then you should have to take ILETS whether your from the EU, outside the EU or from another galaxy

[James Hubbard]

or from another galaxy

Otherwise known as Manchester.

[joebloggs]

Otherwise known as Manchester.

i wouldn't know, I'm in Salford

[somebody]

Ahhh ... not quite so easy, Zobel. Myrna has been here since March. Having a BSc + part-Masters', she taught for 22 years at a Govt High School in the Phils ... yet her degree doesn't "cut any ice" with the General Teaching Council in Scotland.

Conversely, BECAUSE of her graduate status, she's considered to be over-qualified for the likes of say, shop work ...

... so, for the time being, at least, she's sort of "piggy-in-the-middle". And I'll bet she is only one of many who find themselves in a similar situation!

Simply dont tell the employer if you have to many qualfications. You can only get in trouble if you make up Qualfications in most situations.

[somebody]

and non British Europeans who want to work in the UK don't need to take ILETS, it's discrimination against non Europeans and crazy that someone who cannot read, write or speak English to a set standard could treat someone, if your first language is not English then you should have to take ILETS whether your from the EU, outside the EU or from another galaxy

Most companies get round that by insisting on a minimum of GCSE pass in English and sometimes Maths for all employees

[James Hubbard]

i wouldn't know, I'm in Salford

Touche dear fella, touche!

[somebody]

you should ignore them!

immigration as been around for years and it wont matter whos in goverment,all these countries signing upto the eu are getting bad press because we are getting told there flooding the country.

seems to me the are doing all the jobs uk citizens wont do and better too,so next time tell them to find out all the facts before they chat about a subject they have limited knowledge on.

People buried around stonehenge were found to have been born and grow up abroad. People also traveled huge distances around the UK (which may well have felt like traveling abroad with different tribes, culture and language)

[somebody]

Penny, I think, when it comes to the emotive issue of immigration and immigrants, it's not that british people whine, it's just that there are 2 sides to every coin. I completely understand your side, but then you gotta understand the side of the people who are complaining, try to hear inside their arguments for the kernel (or more) of truth that may be found within.

That's all I'll say.

Thanks, Jim Hub.

The other side of the coin is I hear Phills moaning about Koreans, Indians, indodesians and chinese stealing work via either jobs or businesses.
Others moan about these non phills marrying the local women.

People in the Uk will moan if people move around the country and take jobs, to a degree its human nature. One thing most countries seem to have is there far share of moaners

[johncar54]

The Neanderthal's are extinct, modern humans are from a separate lineage going back a long long way.

Really, mmm interesting ,-............. I thought Jack Straw and all the others in the main line parties, said they were in the BNP !!!!!!

[RickyR]

The true issue is being overlooked.
The real problem isn't immigration, the root of the issue is the poor setup of the Welfare State.
The Welfare State is an excellent system, when setup properly. However the resentment arises amongst those who regularly pay tax and NI and see immigrants, 18 year old single mothers and people who have never paid into the system taking out so much and living a much better lifestyle then those struggling to work, pay bills and receive nothing.
The system needs to be amended to make it something that helps people get back onto their feet, but isn't desirable and doesn't give anyone a longterm option. For the immigrants and job seekers, I feel they should be allowed and forced to take up community or national service after a set period of time in order to be eligible for the handouts.
The pensioners and disabled would have more money available to them and more money available for other public services.

It is clearly apparent that our system is too generous, when the Mayor of Calais explains how people are just waiting to come across to the UK to take advantage of the system here.

As for migrant workers, well I really don't care about that, if other nationalities which to take jobs in the UK then so be it. It's one world!

[pennybarry]

my apologies to you pennybarry

It's ok I get used to it.

Too right! Well done Penny, take the fight to them and educate them otherwise they will just absorb the usual stereotypical gossip and repeat it over and over.


Jim

Thanks Jim. As much as possible, I don't ignore people, with good or bad interpretations. We can always give our side in a good way!

dont get affected you are luckier than me where I used to work there was one who hated foreigns as theyve taken her husbands job haha. She always pull her face on me but i just ignored here. Have a good day.

You're right! even some council house taken by some foreigners, some locals have twisted face and they are not good neighbors sometimes.

and non British Europeans who want to work in the UK don't need to take ILETS, it's discrimination against non Europeans and crazy that someone who cannot read, write or speak English to a set standard could treat someone, if your first language is not English then you should have to take ILETS whether your from the EU, outside the EU or from another galaxy

I though there's new rules for EU people to take english test before coming here to work?

The other side of the coin is I hear Phills moaning about Koreans, Indians, indodesians and chinese stealing work via either jobs or businesses.
Others moan about these non phills marrying the local women.

People in the Uk will moan if people move around the country and take jobs, to a degree its human nature. One thing most countries seem to have is there far share of moaners

Yes and EU .

[johncar54]

BBC Question Time, was the audience specially picked to attack the BNP ?

I just watched the BBC broadcast again.

The man who suggested a ‘whip round to send Nick Griffin to the South Pole’ and two people sitting beside him, were in camera shot eight times before one of them put his question, and all three of them were asked to speak. I think that is ‘unusual’ in Question Time.

It seems ‘odd’ if it was not a fix, that three people sitting together should be asked to present a question and that the camera should show them so many times unless maybe they were ‘specially chosen’ to attend the program.

This gave me the impression the BBC had fixed the audience.

I also wonder what would have been the police reaction had the 500 or so crowd demonstrating outside to prevent Griffin from being able to get into the BBC had been BNP members demonstrating against a person from an ethic minority group who about to appear on the program.

[Queenbee]

At present this is an emotive subject. I think people are simply looking for someone to blame, and this was rightly pointed out by Question Time panelists last night. Whenever the far right get an issue, it is always someones fault, when my dad was young, it was the blacks, then it was the Pakis, now it is Muslim faith fault. NEVER EVER listen to it.

After all we fought together in the war against a common evil of fascism. You Filipino ancestors fought side by side with the allies in the war against the Japanese.

They probably feel immigrants are getting houses before them. So they want to point the finger and blame.As for benefits being affected, this is misinformed. Do immigrants claim benefits? Indirectly perhaps. They are talking about housing benefits and getting the rent paid for them, or perhaps they feel some gain they are not getting. Always about "Wheres my share?"

The real truth is. They should be having a go at the bankers. I have no idea why immigrants who wish to make life better for loved ones should get the blame for less money when bankers get paid millions. No one can justify that. What do you think?

Remember the BNP's Mr Griffin was so stupid about his history he said only indigenous people should be allowed to stay. Those people that have been here for 17,000 years. It was pointed out to him that noone was here during that time, because there was an Ice Age, and the people traveled to the UK when the ice melted. Noone can be proven to be indigenous people. His argument were disingenuous, he looked flustered, stressed, and kept changing his mind about his beliefs. Were you quoted as saying that? No I never said that. The papers always lie about everything I said. Well you can't argue with video evidence-on Youtube, you said that standing next to a Klu Klux Klan member. Oh they are a non violent organisation he says smirking.

In the end, he made a complete an utter fool of himself. The British public are not stupid and you should understand we are just sick of the corrupt MPs at the present and want them to get their fingers out to fix things.

Yah right on that,,I think also because most immigrants never choose any kind of work,and really works hard for tha money!!!work like 2 to 3 jobs while SOME Brits complain and complain about their work and never get the job done..So who gets loads of money first?who gets the big fat sports car first???The hardworkin immigrants,,,

[johncar54]

he looked flustered, stressed, and kept changing his mind about his beliefs.

I don't think he made a good showing, however, he did have four panelists and the chairman plus practicality all the audience attacking him. Given that I am not sure who would have made a good showing ! Although his comment about his father being a pilot and Straw's father (son of a German Jewish immigrant) was in prison having refused to help the effort, was 'interesting.'

With exception of Bonnie Greer, who relied on historical facts, rather as Enoch Powell used to do, but which in reality had little to so with the BNP argument, as we all have a pretty good idea what Griffin meant when he said 'indigenous people' the other were pretty poor too.

[James Hubbard]

he looked flustered, stressed, and kept changing his mind about his beliefs.

I don't think he made a good showing, however, he did have four panelists and the chairman plus practicality all the audience attacking him. Given that I am not sure who would have made a good showing ! Although his comment about his father being a pilot and Straw's father (son of a German Jewish immigrant) was in prison having refused to help the effort, was 'interesting.'

With exception of Bonnie Greer, who relied on historical facts, rather as Enoch Powell used to do, but which in reality had little to so with the BNP argument, as we all have a pretty good idea what Griffin meant when he said 'indigenous people' the other were pretty poor too.

Hi John, I believe it's in this thread (please click here) you want to post

[johncar54]

James thanks, but as the threads tend to get mixed up, sometimes its difficult to know where to post!

[James Hubbard]

James thanks, but as the threads tend to get mixed up, sometimes its difficult to know where to post!

it's fine, I'm like a mother hen guarding my chicks (posts)

[JimOttley]

The other side of the coin is I hear Phills moaning about Koreans, Indians, indodesians and chinese stealing work via either jobs or businesses.
Others moan about these non phills marrying the local women.

People in the Uk will moan if people move around the country and take jobs, to a degree its human nature. One thing most countries seem to have is there far share of moaners

I agree, there is a lot of moaning as you say Andy!

The Chinese are probably some of the most active entrepreneurs in the Philippines just now, Koreans are widely despised but they bring in a lot of cash, not seen many Indians (wish I could get a good curry in Manila :( )