Finally here

[aromulus]

And another night where Rizza has been ordered to do other things than stay with me The joys of having a Baptist auntie ordering your girlfriend about... Or it might have something to do with my debating skills concerning the bible (as an Atheist) with said Aunties husband He tried to convert me, so I tried to de-convert him...

I am afraid that you haven't helped or endeared yourself a lot with an unwinnable religious debate.
You may, actually, have lost any brownie points collected before then...

I sincereley hope to be wrong in my assumption but it sounds as if you will have to work very hard at rebuilding the relationship.

[JimOttley]

I am afraid that you haven't helped or endeared yourself a lot with an unwinnable religious debate.
You may, actually, have lost any brownie points collected before then...

I sincereley hope to be wrong in my assumption but it sounds as if you will have to work very hard at rebuilding the relationship.

I agree and I should not really have used smiley's in my reply to Sean (just trying to be positive for him) but it's really not a good idea to talk religion in the Phils.

I had the advantage of being brought up Catholic it was one of the first things Nanay ever asked about me, plus even at 45 years old I was still single never married that won me brownie points as well.

Ana and the family know I no longer have conventional Catholic faith and they accept that, but it is only right that one should show respect to their faith.

I really hope you've not done to much damage Sean, best of luck.

Jim

[Tawi2]

If your sitting in the Marriott twiddling your thumbs theres a very active bar a short walk away across the road from Ayala,or theres always Sunflower Disco,every taxi driver knows it,its infa...erm famous in Cebu As for religion,be yourself,dont bend for anyone,they should accept you as you are just as you accept them.

[somebody]

If your sitting in the Marriott twiddling your thumbs theres a very active bar a short walk away across the road from Ayala,or theres always Sunflower Disco,every taxi driver knows it,its infa...erm famous in Cebu As for religion,be yourself,dont bend for anyone,they should accept you as you are just as you accept them.

While i agree you should be proud of what you belive sometimes it pays at least at first to just not mention to much or often.

My Wife is a Catholic but hardly ultra religous outwardly but has a strong faith which i never really saw untill we went to Rome. As do all her friends who are very liberal young Women but still at times show a strong faith not seen normally in Brits.

I strongly dont agree with some of the practises the RC Church have, but my Wife wanting to spend as much of our spare holiday money on trinkets, roseary beads, cards and booklets on some of the Churchs plus lighting Candles for her Lola PO (a born again protestant just for the record as half the family are while the others are RC ) who passed away recently. Was ok by me as it meant so much to her and how did it hurt me?

It simply didn't, in fact I found myself taking more pictures and Videos so she could post so her friends who may never go to Rome and the Vatican have the chance to share. Helping the Wife look for the cheapest places so we could get as many bits as possible, and also some special bits for certain indivudals including one Friend who has joined the Church as a Trainee Father.

I could say not getting involved I dont agree etc, but no one got hurt and how many friends and family got pleasure from a few moments on a Holiday we greatly enjoyed

Anyone who finds themselves in a mixed race,culture, religion partnership cant always stand to their guns I think both sides should at least tolerate the others beliefs and understand what it means to them.

Debating with the elders of a family on such an important subject in Pinas is a minefield.

An example was on an early Visit one of my Wifes Lolas Brothers who is a Doctor a good English Speaker and has lived in the US. So i presumed was a worldly open minded man I made a passing comment about all people and of whatever background are equal all religions etc The look said it all, converstaion was changed there and then.

[liane]

Thanks for sharing the pictures Sean.

Looks like you had a nice time there with Rizza though I know life in UK is very much different from here.

Charge it all to Experience!

Hope you and Rizza created a strong foundation in your relationship!
Best Wishes

[Dedworth]

I am afraid that you haven't helped or endeared yourself a lot with an unwinnable religious debate.
You may, actually, have lost any brownie points collected before then...

I sincereley hope to be wrong in my assumption but it sounds as if you will have to work very hard at rebuilding the relationship.

Northerner - I'd cross my fingers and hope it ends in a short dose of Tampo

[Northerner]

Oooh.. The Religious debate.. Well, I did keep my mouth shut for as long as I could, until it was clear somebody was trying to convert me. Then all those pages of the God Delusion, the End of Faith and God is not Great came to the forefront of my mind. I have no problem with anyone of any faith, so long as they accept me as a person of no faith. And if they don't and assume I am ignorant, then I will speak out.

I too was raised in a devout Catholic family! I have an Aunt who goes to church every day... Why???

Because her son (who we think was gay) killed himself after a nervous breakdown and a lousy life with bouts of depression. That's what happens when a kid who is different is forced into a college to train as a priest And so now she "knows" that her son is in hell after commiting such a sin against the creator.. Perhaps this is one of the reasons I looked twice at my church and thought, hold on..... Plus I did actually read the bible as a kid and could debate my RE teacher even back then

Ahhhhhhh....