It wasn't going to work......

[aromulus]

Anything this gov touches....

It Screws up.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8368709.stm

[joebloggs]

are you on the pay roll of Cameron Dom or turning into a grouch

but these fake students should be banned from coming to the UK for good, too many rights to appeal and there is always the next time

[Tawi2]

I could take you to colleges located above rows of shops,you look up,see the "College" sign and just shake your head The country is flooded with bogus students,I have met loads,normally african,but they sure didnt come here to study,got a mate from Zimbabwe,used to work every hour god made and more beisdes while here as a student,his wife and kids are here now,did he come here as a legitimate student?Not according to him

[aromulus]

are you on the pay roll of Cameron Dom or turning into a grouch

Neither......

[Dedworth]

What a joke

I wonder what slippery Immigration Minister Phil Woolas has got to say ? He's the grub who put ladies' clothing, tampons, comics and nappies on his expenses

[somebody]

I could take you to colleges located above rows of shops,you look up,see the "College" sign and just shake your head The country is flooded with bogus students,I have met loads,normally african,but they sure didnt come here to study,got a mate from Zimbabwe,used to work every hour god made and more beisdes while here as a student,his wife and kids are here now,did he come here as a legitimate student?Not according to him

Very true it was said to me by one owner of a school in central london that half of Londons rental space above shops would be empty and the very shops and resturants below them would suffer if the colleges and all the no question asked cheap to employ employees dissapeared

[Tawi2]

Yup,I saw one in Hounslow last year and thought it looked a prestigiously located seat of learning,you know....Oxford,Cambridge,Hounslow??????? Its true,it was right above a row of shops several of which were indian restaurants I sometimes wonder if the government view this country through a 100% lightproof blindfold,the general populance see whats going on,the ivory towers of westminster havent got a clue

[Northerner]

As this is the nice work of Jacqui Smith, I'm not suprised..

[IainBusby]

are you on the pay roll of Cameron Dom or turning into a grouch

but these fake students should be banned from coming to the UK for good, too many rights to appeal and there is always the next time

I think he's really a secret correspondent for the Daily Express, sent here to spread the tory doctrine and dish the dirt on labour. Either that or he's turning into Victor Meldrew.

[Arthur Little]

I think he's really a secret correspondent for the Daily Express, sent here to spread the tory doctrine and dish the dirt on labour. Either that or he's turning into Victor Meldrew.

Tory, Labour ... or whatever ... they're all politicians. And, let's be frank, there's good, bad and ... the third lot [the majority, it seems!] who're just indifferent - regardless of WHICH party they claim allegiance to.

[Florge]

Tory, Labour ... or whatever ... they're all politicians. And, let's be frank, there's good, bad and ... the third lot [the majority, it seems!] who're just indifferent - regardless of WHICH party they claim allegiance to.

oooooo.... sounds like Philippine politics to me.... LOL

[IainBusby]

Tory, Labour ... or whatever ... they're all politicians. And, let's be frank, there's good, bad and ... the third lot [the majority, it seems!] who're just indifferent - regardless of WHICH party they claim allegiance to.

That's what Dom says, Tory = Good, Anything Else = Bad, Labour = Very, Very Bad.

[walesrob]

Labour = Very, Very Bad.

Quote from a song by Catatonia ("This Boy Can't Swim") could be about Brown?

Dreamt up the lies that would hold it together
Then realised those he lied to were cleverer
Left on the side they have long since rejoined him
Back in the fold thick as thieves they will weigh him down

[Arthur Little]

oooooo.... sounds like Philippine politics to me.... LOL

Politics apart, Florge ... just happened to notice that ... as of this precise moment, you're on the verge of your 1,200th post ... and I'm now typing my 2,100th; the way my mind works sometimes!

[IainBusby]

Left on the side they have long since rejoined him - not till they get elected, then they'll start performing

Back in the fold thick as thieves they will weigh him down - they'll agree with everything Cameron says at present, but once in power the grass roots and tory old guard will really show they're true colours.

It also seems to fit the young pretender David Cameron quite well.

[aromulus]

I think he's really a secret correspondent for the Daily Express, sent here to spread the tory doctrine and dish the dirt on labour. Either that or he's turning into Victor Meldrew.

That's what Dom says, Tory = Good, Anything Else = Bad, Labour = Very, Very Bad.

An Obituary Worthy of Reading

An Obituary printed in the London Times - Interesting and sadly rather true.

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:
- Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
- Why the early bird gets the worm;
- Life isn't always fair;
- and maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).
His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death, by his parents, Truth and Trust, by his wife, Discretion, by his daughter, Responsibility, and by his son, Reason.

He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers;
I Know My Rights
I Want It Now
Someone Else Is To Blame
I'm A Victim

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone If you still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the majority and do nothing.

[IainBusby]

An Obituary Worthy of Reading

An Obituary printed in the London Times - Interesting and sadly rather true.

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:
- Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
- Why the early bird gets the worm;
- Life isn't always fair;
- and maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).
His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death, by his parents, Truth and Trust, by his wife, Discretion, by his daughter, Responsibility, and by his son, Reason.

He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers;
I Know My Rights
I Want It Now
Someone Else Is To Blame
I'm A Victim

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone If you still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the majority and do nothing.

I can see where your coming from Dom, but I can't for the life of me understand why you think David Cameron and the tories are going to be the answer to everyone's prayers.

[Tawi2]

Common sense aint that common anymore

[aromulus]

I can see where your coming from Dom, but I can't for the life of me understand why you think David Cameron and the tories are going to be the answer to everyone's prayers.

The thing is that I don't.

But any bugger is better than this current lot, don't you reckon...??

[walesrob]

Nice post Dom, and so true.

[IainBusby]

The thing is that I don't.

But any bugger is better than this current lot, don't you reckon...??

Given their track record the last time round I certainly don't think they'll be better for the country as a whole. They'll just invent more boltholes for the rich to stash their money without paying tax and have some very popular flotations of whatever we have left that's worth selling off, which will cost us all a lot more in the end.

They believe in "small government" and they're instinct is to cut, cut and cut again. In normal times they would cut what they thought the could get away with, but when the whole country knows we're going to need cuts to bring us out of the red, they'll come into power with what they see as a mandate to cut anything and everything that's not bolted down, they'll end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater and we'll all be a lot poorer for it in real terms when we have to pay privately to get some of things we used to get for free and take for granted.

You have to remember that whatever they say now (to get elected), they still at heart believe as maggie did that there is no such thing as society, just individuals and the individuals that they will look after are "their people" as maggie used to call them.

[aromulus]

. They'll just invent more boltholes for the rich to stash their money without paying tax and have some very popular flotations of whatever we have left that's worth selling off, which will cost us all a lot more in the end. .

What do you think this bunch of have been doing for the past 12 years...???
Where have you been, lad...???
Was it that "soapy" for you that you didn't notice the penetration...???

They believe in "small government" and they're instinct is to cut, cut and cut again. In normal times they would cut what they thought the could get away with, but when the whole country knows we're going to need cuts to bring us out of the red, they'll come into power with what they see as a mandate to cut anything and everything that's not bolted down, they'll end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater and we'll all be a lot poorer for it in real terms when we have to pay privately to get some of things we used to get for free and take for granted..

Cut, cuts, cuts where they are needed, they don't hide it at all, but candidly admit to that. So where is the sin...???
Without cuts, you cannot repay the national debt incurred by your friendly neighbourhood useless Labour, mostly, "unelected" moronic and cretinous Government.
The baby and the bathwater are already out, courtesy of Gordon and Co.
so please stop patronising me, I have been around long enough, and paid enough taxes to know the difference. And by now, I think I know when somebody like your labour friends are telling porkies.... New Labour ... My . Call it what you want, socialism and communism are great in theory, but in real life don't work.

You have to remember that whatever they say now (to get elected), they still at heart believe as maggie did that there is no such thing as society, just individuals and the individuals that they will look after are "their people" as maggie used to call them.

Don't they all...????

Maggie.... Don't forget that that great woman started something in the UK which is the model in a lot of other places....
Besides, when the tories imploded, due to own suicidal behaviour, they had the good grace of leaving the country without debts, and a Treasury awash with cash..... Where has it all gone........????

Coppers came around within minutes when called, doctors called at home if there was an emergency, surgeries saw people on spec, dentists where taking NHS patients......
Don't start me off or it becomes a rant.

I guess I ain't getting a christmas card this year....

[Arthur Little]

Cut, cuts, cuts where they are needed

Let's start with Elected Members' ... of ALL parties ... expenses!

[Arthur Little]

[SIZE=4]

Coppers came around within minutes when called, doctors called at home if there was an emergency, surgeries saw people on spec, dentists where taking NHS patients......

t' WAS certainly the case ...

[Arthur Little]

[SIZE=4][SIZE=4] ... a Treasury awash with cash..... Where has it all gone........????

Easily answered: ... on the upkeep of members' second residences within close proximity to Westminster, disbursement of sundry [often falsified] expense claims ... to name but two "channels" of outflow.

[aromulus]

Easily answered: ... on the upkeep of members' second residences within close proximity to Westminster, disbursement of sundry [often falsified] expense claims ... to name but two "channels" of outflow.

How about the hundreds of thousand "Non Jobs" for the boys, at a minimum of £35k per annum...???

[Arthur Little]

How about the hundreds of thousand "Non Jobs" for the boys, at a minimum of £35k per annum...???

yes! ...

[somebody]

Given their track record the last time round I certainly don't think they'll be better for the country as a whole. They'll just invent more boltholes for the rich to stash their money without paying tax and have some very popular flotations of whatever we have left that's worth selling off, which will cost us all a lot more in the end.

They believe in "small government" and they're instinct is to cut, cut and cut again. In normal times they would cut what they thought the could get away with, but when the whole country knows we're going to need cuts to bring us out of the red, they'll come into power with what they see as a mandate to cut anything and everything that's not bolted down, they'll end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater and we'll all be a lot poorer for it in real terms when we have to pay privately to get some of things we used to get for free and take for granted.

You have to remember that whatever they say now (to get elected), they still at heart believe as maggie did that there is no such thing as society, just individuals and the individuals that they will look after are "their people" as maggie used to call them.

I thought one of Tony Bliars idols was Maggie?

While the Tories have their cronies, a hell of a lot of people have become seriously rich and powerful with Labour in power.

So many people in Jobs where they dont have enough to do and titles and roles they dont even understand I kid you not as I have had some who during small talk cant explain what they are actually meant to do.

I can remeber Visting plush offices in Hospitals, famous Unis in central London, while the public facing areas were all run down I can list them if you really want.

I can remeber having to visit A and E departments struggling to keep going while in the same building swanky offices were left not fully used while the projects which were poorly managed by people who simply didn't know what they were doing and frankly didn't seem to care.

As I have said he before our Salespeople and all the others were like vultures round Public services as the negotiation skills they came up agaisnt were very poor and most of the contracts were so weighted in the favour of the Sales company it was untrue.

The management were treated like Gods while the oiks doing the work were treated like the public. That was after ten years or more of labour.
I cant belive what management types in Public bodies expect in perks working for a company where the turnover is greater or equivalent to many of the authorities these people manage. The Directors at our place manage with out Drivers and certainly dont need them on 24 hour standby which I have actually witnessed. They dont need to have free meals while the workers pay They dont need home offices kitted out! They dont need Spare mobile Phones (told to me by the IT department at one large Council in London)

I could go on with things I have witnessed with my own eyes and heard from people with no reason to lie or make it up.

Those in power red or Blue will always look after themsleves. Neither can cover themseleves in any Glory


From what i see we need the Blue and red to neutralise the other

[aromulus]

Ian,

Being a "Foreigner" in this country, I am no tory and no labour, I just see things from a different perspective .
I have my own mind and don't follow party doctrines.
I haven't been brainwashed with rhetoric.

So please, refrain from insulting my intelligence

[bornatbirth]

[SIZE=4]Maggie.... Don't forget that that great woman started something in the UK which is the model in a lot of other places....
Besides, when the tories imploded, due to own suicidal behaviour, they had the good grace of leaving the country without debts, and a Treasury awash with cash..... Where has it all gone........????

Coppers came around within minutes when called, doctors called at home if there was an emergency, surgeries saw people on spec, dentists where taking NHS patients......
Don't start me off or it becomes a rant.

I guess I ain't getting a christmas card this year....

thats why she got the boot

why did the tories get voted out? if everything was so good under them

i will send you a xmas card when united go top.