wrongly accused

[johncar54]

I stand to be corrected on the caution issue, but it was my understanding that Police can give you a "verbal caution" I think it might also be called "street caution" with no consequences for records, but a "formal caution" is something offered to enable Police to close the case, should you choose to accept it, and you have to sign a form proving you have admitted something this will give you a criminal record if it's a criminal offence (shoplifting etc) Once winessed an Officer giving a young male a "verbal caution" when asked "what for?" the officer's response was "to b***er off"

Hi again Pete 67.

Again unless things have changed. A person cannot be cautioned unless a crime/offence has been committed. If a person denies they have committed an offence/crime then it cannot exist unless a court find it does. Innocent until proven guilty etc.

A caution can never create a criminal record for a person, only a conviction in court can do that (that is still so where say an absolute discharge is given, as that is a conviction, only a case dismissed, or no case to answer, is no conviction).

In the same way if a person is acquitted (except in very unusual circumstances) that can never be referred to in another case.

Once witnessed an Officer giving a young male a "verbal caution" when asked "what for?" the officer's response was "to b***er off"

Well on the face of it, that was a pointless pieces of stupidity by the officer, for the reasons I have explained.

I have just checked out what I said. It is I believe confirmed at :

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/police/...ing/index.html

[Pete67]

I preface this by saying I retired from CID 22 years ago and although I try to keep up, things do change.

For the most part only crime which is reported can be on the list of 'crimes committed.'

The exception is for example possession of drugs, or handling stolen property etc. as they can not exist, as a reported crime, unless someone is arrested, and these in effect distort clear up figures.

Everyone who is arrested for this type of increases known crime by one. Thus if a lot of people are arrested for this type of crime reported crime increases. One might say that would be an insensitive not to arrest anyone in that type of case.

That of course also applies to say speeding. It's not a reported offence unless someone is caught. And (unless the collation of figures has changed) a traffic offence cannot be a 'clear up' for a crime.

A simple example: If no one is arrested, say for handling stolen property then there are no crimes of that type to clear up. If someone is arrested then, whilst it is one clear up it is also one more listed crime.

Generally. For every crime reported, where no one is arrested for that crime, that number cannot be cancelled by an arrest. Example 100 crimes reported and not solved + 100 people arrested for other crimes. Clear up is 100 out of 200, thus a 50% clear-up rate.

This is a 'technical' answer just in response to Pete 67's post.

Thanks very much for that John, clarified things for me

[KeithD]

I preface this by saying I retired from CID 22 years ago and although I try to keep up, things do change.

Like the real police seldom leave the building, and those we do see on the beat are plastic police with little powers of arrest

[Pete67]

Hi again Pete 67.

Again unless things have changed. A person cannot be cautioned unless a crime/offence has been committed. If a person denies they have committed an offence/crime then it cannot exist unless a court find it does. Innocent until proven guilty etc.

A caution can never create a criminal record for a person, only a conviction in court can do that (that is still so where say an absolute discharge is given, as that is a conviction, only a case dismissed, or no case to answer, is no conviction).

In the same way if a person is acquitted (except in very unusual circumstances) that can never be referred to in another case.

Once witnessed an Officer giving a young male a "verbal caution" when asked "what for?" the officer's response was "to b***er off"

Well on the face of it, that was a pointless pieces of stupidity by the officer, for the reasons I have explained.

I have just checked out what I said. It is I believe confirmed at :

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/police/...ing/index.html

Thanks again John! things are certainly a lot more complicated than I thought, I certainly do stand corrected !

[johncar54]

Thanks again John! things are certainly a lot more complicated than I thought, I certainly do stand corrected !

Any time Pete (and its good to appreciated too, thanks)

[jonathan47]

i was talking to a SB officer last night, conversation got around to arrest he told me they always let the uniform guys do it as they have targets and performance pay based on it he also told me thet discuss which one of the uniform will do it depending on who needs the arrest !!! beggrs belief but from the horses mouth so to speak !

j & a

[johncar54]

i was talking to a SB officer last night, conversation got around to arrest he told me they always let the uniform guys do it as they have targets and performance pay based on it he also told me thet discuss which one of the uniform will do it depending on who needs the arrest !!! beggrs belief but from the horses mouth so to speak !

j & a

I cannot say that is not now the case, although I doubt it. It seems so unbelievable that one might think he was pulling your leg. 20 years ago there was a myth that police got paid more and got extra days off for making arrests. It not true but people still believed it. But I know times have changed so maybe it's true now.

As it is so easy to find people breaking the law I am surprised, if they really do get payments for making arrests, that any one is ever just cautioned.

[Pete67]

i was talking to a SB officer last night, conversation got around to arrest he told me they always let the uniform guys do it as they have targets and performance pay based on it he also told me thet discuss which one of the uniform will do it depending on who needs the arrest !!! beggrs belief but from the horses mouth so to speak !

j & a

Full marks for teamwork though

[aromulus]

. But I know times have changed so maybe it's true now.

You better believe it, lots of things have changed....
Some openly, and a lots of others from the back door....

[marlyn&kenny]

Why some policemen here will not listen the truth and stick with what they conclude? I will not go away until I convinced them and let them check my mobile. Did you try to speak with higher cops to check your mobile?

I have checked before at UKBA website about driving in the UK offenses if I am not yet holding British Passport and there's some laws that we really need to obey so that our application will not be affected.

But not to worry too much if that is not fixed penalty.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/br...goodcharacter/

You can ask to speak to a senior officer. tel him what has happend. He will then demand an expensive list of cals and times from your network. If your telling ther truth the case will be dropped. if your not they wil hammer you.