Apple to unveil new product

[joebloggs]

But one thing you did say was Jobs went to Parc and thats when he saw the GUI, but as Raskin says the project started way before that, so that wasnt the pivotable moment when a lot or people (not you) say it was then stolen.

RASKIN SAYS:
As I said in my history of the Mac Project (the one currently being serialized in CHAC), the Mac was by no means the work of one person, but the combined efforts of thousands in hundreds of companies large and small. It was not, as many accounts anachronistically relate, stolen from PARC by Steve Jobs after he saw the Alto running SmallTalk on a visit. For one thing the usual account (as in Levy's book, "Insanely Great" and others) denigrates the original and creative work done by all the Apple employees that put their hearts into the Mac.

And as far as the mouse goes, I was just trying to point out it wasn't merely a straight copy, i'm sure there must of been more under the hood optimisations apart from taking most of the buttons away. Surely the concept of the mouse is more important than how the mechanics work, and I think Apple redefined the concept by thinking about how it needed to be used, the same way they have done with touch interfaces.

so you've quoted raskin, well he's some articles from horn and raskin

Trying to untangle the history is sometimes hard,

Time plays tricks on memory quotes by raskin.



http://inventors.about.com/gi/o.htm?...com/horn1.html

read all the articles how Raskin and Horn discuss Apple and Xerox, and argue about the facts

But one thing you did say was Jobs went to Parc and thats when he saw the GUI, but as Raskin says the project started way before that, so that wasnt the pivotable moment when a lot or people (not you) say it was then stolen

yes but some people at APPLE had already worked at PARC

anyway pointless in arguing about this.. i'm not saying jobs stole it, but he was at PARC, others had worked at PARC, many of Raskin quotes mentions PARCS GUI !!!.

i've not got an apple, i dont think i'll ever buy one, i have a pc, a mobile. i've no need ...but you never know ..........

[complex]

so you've quoted raskin, well he's some articles from horn and raskin

Trying to untangle the history is sometimes hard,

Time plays tricks on memory quotes by raskin.



http://inventors.about.com/gi/o.htm?...com/horn1.html

read all the articles how Raskin and Horn discuss Apple and Xerox, and argue about the facts

But one thing you did say was Jobs went to Parc and thats when he saw the GUI, but as Raskin says the project started way before that, so that wasnt the pivotable moment when a lot or people (not you) say it was then stolen

yes but some people at APPLE had already worked at PARC

anyway pointless in arguing about this.. i'm not saying jobs stole it, but he was at PARC, others had worked at PARC, many of Raskin quotes mentions PARCS GUI !!!.

i've not got an apple, i dont think i'll ever buy one, i have a pc, a mobile. i've no need ...but you never know ..........

I think I've read that before, but then again memory does play tricks, think I got a lose Ram chip.

The article seems to suggest even more so that the difference between the GUI at PARC and what become the Mac was "HUGE" to Quote Horn. So I think the term copy is a bit unfair on Apple as Raskin wrote it Denigrates all the hard work from the Mac team. The 2 fundamental things that have been in every Mac OS the Finder and Menu Bar both came from Apple, just wasn't from Xerox.

I think we both run out of steam on this now lol
Maybe someone will buy you an iPad for xmas!

[complex]

Also if I remember rightly before Apple introduced the first mainstream mouse all the others like the ones Xerox had were at least 4 button devices, which seemed far too complicated for the Macintosh concept.

[joebloggs]

Also if I remember rightly before Apple introduced the first mainstream mouse all the others like the ones Xerox had were at least 4 button devices, which seemed far too complicated for the Macintosh concept.

devices ?? , a one button, 2 button , 3 button , what ever button it's still a mouse

[fred]

anyway i would rather have a HTC desire than a apple

I`d rather have an Orange.
Hang on..That gives me an idea!

[Dedworth]

I fully agree with this article regarding the Apple "Experience"


So, at the American (i.e. global) launch of the iPad earlier this year, Apple boss Steve Jobs told the audience how the iPad would provide them with a 'good email experience' and 'a nice keyboard experience'.

'Holding it in your hand is an incredible experience,' he added.

'How directly you engage with it ... the only word is magical.'

A good email experience? Magical? how on Earth can the electronic conveyance of paragraphs, or the tapping of fingers on buttons be seriously described as in such elevated terms?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...#ixzz0pSZgM24G

[walesrob]

Holding my laptop is a truly er, magical experience and its amazing how it does stuff when I press buttons. Amazing how people get taken in by such rubbish.

Meanwhile back in the real world.....I have bills to pay, a car that needs fixing and various assorted stuff needs sorting out, and having a magical experience with an i-trap will have to wait...forever.

Reminds me of that song...If You Buy This Record Your Life Will Be Better

[KeithD]

Phones are now moving onto 4G so expect Apple to rush out a new product in 2012

[walesrob]

Phones are now moving onto 4G so expect Apple to rush out a new product in 2012

No good for Aberystwyth, we're stuck on 0.5G Probably get 3G sometime in 2058

[les_taxi]

Aww I missed this arguament (oops discussion)
I recently had to deliver an i-Pad bought in america so saw it first hand and held it!!!

Overated methinks

I get the I-phone,I-pod touch useful gadgets but the problem i think with the I-Pad is it's too big to stuff in your pocket so you might as well use a netbook,laptop or pc since you have many more features and uses.

It certainly feels tactile and is a nice display but thats as far as it goes and much too expensive

[KeithD]

It certainly feels tactile and is a nice display but thats as far as it goes and much too expensive

Plus other manufactureers are bringing them out at sub-£200 prices

[darren-b]

Aww I missed this arguament (oops discussion)
I recently had to deliver an i-Pad bought in america so saw it first hand and held it!!!

Overated methinks

I get the I-phone,I-pod touch useful gadgets but the problem i think with the I-Pad is it's too big to stuff in your pocket so you might as well use a netbook,laptop or pc since you have many more features and uses.

It certainly feels tactile and is a nice display but thats as far as it goes and much too expensive

I saw a comment on facebook the other day that made me smile

"the Ipad Keyboard dock is absolutely superb, you don't need a Pc with this one"

I doubt it myself, but it actually costs far more than a PC anyway

It's a shame the person who wrote the comment hasn't been active on this forum for a few months as I'm sure he'd add to the debate.