Quote Originally Posted by complex View Post
Firstly an observation, why do people hate on Apple so much,

Thats funny, most windows PC's i've encountered through friends seem to take a couple minutes for the initial boot time and then a further 5-15 while task bar loads, then you get challenged to respond to loads of unwanted task bar messages then you have to do your security check then your software updates. then if alls ok you might get to launch a browser window, then your confronted with a browser window that has so many on screen buttons at the top it takes up a third of your screen, hardly user friendly. I know this is a generalisation, but one I've experienced many times and I know you can customise and optimise your PC for better results but then why doesn't it just work right out of the box!
Also you describe the most basic function of turning the machine on, but it's what you do once its on, and how it interacts with you, does it get out of your way or is always stopping you from getting to where you wanna be. In my limited experience with Windows it often takes more clicks to accomplish the same task I can do on the Mac, but that could be me, but I've read much the same experience from others.
i dont hate macs, i just like the fact that if something on my pc dies, i can go to my local computer shop, buy a new psu/ mother board/dvd writer etc for a small amount of money and its up and running again in minutes

maybe your friend should try and optimise their pc as for loads of updates , even if that was so, updating the OS with fixes can only be a good thing

you've said it yourself you can customise the pc settings, so you can usually display what menus you want

as you've said you've got limited experience with pc's

so each to their own, i just want something that does the job and i can expand without costing me , who makes it i dont care, but for me, the PC range of s/w is far greater than for the Mac