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    Standards Of Service

    Inspired by another thread I've just perused, I have to say it comes as no surprise to read complaints about service standards [or, more accurately, the LACK of!] in many of Britain's large chain stores.

    "Now, when I were a lad ... " (to revert to the use of an old [?Yorkshire] expression) MOST shops tended to be located in bustling town centres. There, within the space of 100 yards, you could buy all the commodities needed for the average household.

    Take Gents Outfitters, for instance (sorry ladies ... YOUR turn will come but, for the moment, I'm looking at the situation as recalled from a male perspective) ... the 'High Street' in Perth - back in the 1950s and early 60s - boasted at least four of THOSE. All of us whose memories date that far back, will remember 'John Collier' (advertised on television at the time, as being "the Window to Watch") 'Claude Alexandre', 'Hepworth's' and, last ... but not least ... *'Burton Tailoring' (*which, I believe, exists in some obscure, revamped form to this day). Anyway, you could go into any one of these retail outlets to order a suit made-to-measure - regardless of your height or girth.

    One thing common to all of the places I've metioned WAS ... you were guaranteed PERSONAL service by fully-trained staff who took pride in pleasing their clientele, and would frequently go to great lengths to ensure each individual customer was given complete satisfaction. [=an over-exaggerated caricature for politeness!].

    Only the other week, my wife was experiencing some difficulty in trying on a pair of shoes. A couple of feet away (excuse the pun!) a salesgirl stood engrossed in examining her fingernails ... no offers of assistance ... and THIS, in an otherwise empty store. It's the same story all over ... IF indeed a sales assistant can be seen at all! You can bet your bottom dollar, though, that - if a customer were bold enough to walk into one of these megastores, lift an item and simply walk out again without paying for it, then all of a sudden staff would appear from "nowhere" to apprehend the culprit and whisk him or her off to the Manger's Office ...


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    The UK has the worst customer service out of any country I've been to (generally), that's including third world countries. I've given up in my local co-op even saying "hello" "thank you" or anything due to the reponse I get from the staff serving. Miserable, no manners, no smile. The only inclination you get that there might be some lights on in there is when they ask if you want a bag. "Nah I'm going to stick this basket load in my pockets moron!"

    Does wind me up sometimes Whose training these kids? When I were a lad I had a part-time till job in a small supermarket and it was drummed into me - smile, be polite. It's not science, so why can't they manage it

    It's always an absolute pleasure to go to the Philippines and have staff call me sir, and do their best to help wherever possible.


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    Yep all above I agree with.
    I spend about £5000 a year on fuel at a certain filling station,i was in a hurry and just stuck a quick £20 of fuel in.Walked into pay girl busy checking her nails did not even look at me and said "twenty" I said what banana's? she could not be bothered to say pounds even!!!
    I complained to her boss and a few weeks later she was gone How did she pass interview :(


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    Quote Originally Posted by lestaxi1 View Post
    Yep all above I agree with.
    I spend about £5000 a year on fuel at a certain filling station,i was in a hurry and just stuck a quick £20 of fuel in.Walked into pay girl busy checking her nails did not even look at me and said "twenty" I said what banana's? she could not be bothered to say pounds even!!!
    I complained to her boss and a few weeks later she was gone How did she pass interview :(
    Good on ya I think part of the reason our customer service is so poor is becasue us brits usually dont like to complain, so the managers aren't always aware how rude their staff are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post
    ... to the Manger's Office ...
    You mean away in the Manger ? Och away Arthur!
    I agree with what you have said ; these large establishments are all the same. You might be reassured when the Chief Executive of your local hospital (as here) says "We welcome complaints" ...but you don't get to speak to him - it's delegated to a junior manager whose title is "Complaints officer" but who actually has other duties There's a similar notice at the local public swimming pool
    Surprising as it may seem (considering my career), my brother is boss of a small butcher's shop with about 6 staff. They all work incredibly hard and know all their customers personally But they're up against competition from the supermarkets
    Good quality shops like his still exist - it's up to us to support them


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    Good quality shops like his still exist - it's up to us to support them
    If I could find any I would definitely go to smaller shops. where I live we used to have greengrocers, butchers, etc. Now just one big ugly supermarket


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    Quote Originally Posted by lestaxi1 View Post
    Yep all above I agree with.
    I spend about £5000 a year on fuel at a certain filling station,i was in a hurry and just stuck a quick £20 of fuel in.Walked into pay girl busy checking her nails did not even look at me and said "twenty" I said what banana's? she could not be bothered to say pounds even!!!
    I complained to her boss and a few weeks later she was gone How did she pass interview :(



    How inconsiderate of you....

    Have you for a minute stopped and thought about what you have done...???

    She could have had 4 kids by 3 different fathers... And now back on claiming my tax money....


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    As said before in recent post i just got back from the Phils,(its not my first journrey) so i was feelin a bit low re-adjusting to the weather and leaving my gf behind. I first knew I was back in good old Blighty when I needed some directions at Heathrow, .the man in uniform just mumbled and pointed and was gone, typical i thought , as just hrs before I saw an old lady in Hong Kong airport who needed help , she was escorted by an attendant to an elevator area she was trying to find. ...I love this country , but standards have dropped like a stone in the last 10 yrs or so .....every thing seems such an effort for those who should be there to help, and the service I received when in those big stores mentioned in another thread was appalling, and im not saying that for effect.

    Its not all bad but we are way behind the standards of Philippine customer service who go out of there way to help...................one example, I bought an ornament in SM mall, the asst said sorry sir we dont have a box for that , if you give me 10 mins I will make one up for you......10 mins later a made up box arrived and he duly packed it for me.....to sum up it was his attitude that shone thru, it wasnt any trouble for him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lestaxi1 View Post
    Yep all above I agree with.
    I spend about £5000 a year on fuel at a certain filling station,i was in a hurry and just stuck a quick £20 of fuel in.Walked into pay girl busy checking her nails did not even look at me and said "twenty" I said what banana's? she could not be bothered to say pounds even!!!
    How did she pass interview?
    , Les ... that just about sums up sales assistants' attitudes generally, nowadays; thankfully, though, not all are like that!


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    Quote Originally Posted by triple5 View Post
    If I could find any I would definitely go to smaller shops. where I live we used to have greengrocers, butchers, etc.
    ... ME too!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by jackson.alan46 View Post
    You mean away in the *Manger ? Och away Arthur!
    *Oops ... EVEN my OWN standards seem to be slipping ... ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by laurel View Post
    As said before in recent post i just got back from the Phils,(its not my first journrey) so i was feelin a bit low re-adjusting to the weather and leaving my gf behind. I first knew I was back in good old Blighty when I needed some directions at Heathrow, .the man in uniform just mumbled and pointed and was gone, typical i thought , as just hrs before I saw an old lady in Hong Kong airport who needed help , she was escorted by an attendant to an elevator area she was trying to find. ...I love this country , but standards have dropped like a stone in the last 10 yrs or so .....every thing seems such an effort for those who should be there to help, and the service I received when in those big stores mentioned in another thread was appalling, and im not saying that for effect.

    Its not all bad but we are way behind the standards of Philippine customer service who go out of there way to help...................one example, I bought an ornament in SM mall, the asst said sorry sir we dont have a box for that , if you give me 10 mins I will make one up for you......10 mins later a made up box arrived and he duly packed it for me.....to sum up it was his attitude that shone thru, it wasnt any trouble for him.
    I can well-understand how you must've felt arriving at Heathrow after such a long haul ... and being "brought down to earth" [in more ways than one] by some boorish Brit in uniform. Contrast that with the smiling face and helpful gesture of the 'true gentleman' who served you in the Phils' SM mall ... and ... well ... there's just no comparison!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post
    I can well-understand how you must've felt arriving at Heathrow after such a long haul ... and being "brought down to earth" [in more ways than one] by some boorish Brit in uniform. Contrast that with the smiling face and helpful gesture of the 'true gentleman' who served you in the Phils' SM mall ... and ... well ... there's just no comparison!
    Quite right Arthur. one thing more I should mention was that I took ages deciding what Ornamant i wanted , I went for a nice sized wooden carribou (sp??) i did take a long time, but the asst was so helpful pulling different figures out for me to look at. You could almost take it for granted , and then when you get back home you're hit with a good old dose of lethargy and attitude


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    Quote Originally Posted by laurel View Post
    Its not all bad but we are way behind the standards of Philippine customer service who go out of there way to help...................one example, I bought an ornament in SM mall, the asst said sorry sir we dont have a box for that , if you give me 10 mins I will make one up for you......10 mins later a made up box arrived and he duly packed it for me.....to sum up it was his attitude that shone thru, it wasnt any trouble for him.
    the only thing wrong with shopping there is the length of time it take's to get served(meaning they are very slow to serve you), due to the low wage's what shop assistant's get payed they usually out number the customer's and they are extra nice to customer's to keep their job's

    i was in curry's and had to wait 5 minute's to pay at the till and while waiting, i was wondering if i walked out the shop would anyone notice, kinda strange because there was 4 people behind the customer service counter
    i have learnt to do what my wife says!


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    oh well... just remembered the time i went to wynsor's.. asked if the boots they have are ok for winter and are non-slip... he said, i really wouldn't know..

    was about to say: duh! you don't know your products???.. but of course, bit my tongue... i was itching to give him a customer service training... but...


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    I`d say Phil is like it was here years ago. Theres lots of staff to do little work. Get some fuel and theres plenty of staff there whereas here often its just a couple of people in the shop and no pump attendants. In fact some supermarkets filling stations are fully automated.
    I just want to get my bits and bobs and go. I have no interest in being pointed towards the latest thing on their sales list instead of what I really want and I HATE being pounced on as soon as I walk into a shop.
    Yours sincerly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florge View Post
    oh well... just remembered the time i went to wynsor's.. asked if the boots they have are ok for winter and are non-slip... he said, i really wouldn't know..

    was about to say: duh! you don't know your products???.. but of course, bit my tongue... i was itching to give him a customer service training... but...
    He was trained .........to not imply any thing that you might sue them over later

    The opposite may be the case in the Phils
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    I think that we have to commend some shops/chains for their attention to customer care.
    The big supermarkets cannot do enough for me when I ask questions, and Argos make it a principle to smile at the customers. (I have seen posters "behind" all these stores and they drum it into their staff that the customer is number one).
    I feel things must be taken on a case-by-case basis.

    I lived in the USA for quite a few years and the service there was second to none in the service sector.
    Tips play a big part in this IMO. You really get to see bad service in the USA when you fly on their airlines; the flight attendants can be abrasive to say the least.
    They don't get tips..........

    In some stores in the Philippines you can wait for over 30 minutes to pay for items.
    I walk out when treated like this, it is appalling to wait so long to spend money...............


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    Quote Originally Posted by aposhark View Post
    I think that we have to commend some shops/chains for their attention to customer care.
    The big supermarkets cannot do enough for me when I ask questions, and Argos make it a principle to smile at the customers. (I have seen posters "behind" all these stores and they drum it into their staff that the customer is number one).
    I feel things must be taken on a case-by-case basis.

    I lived in the USA for quite a few years and the service there was second to none in the service sector.
    Tips play a big part in this IMO. You really get to see bad service in the USA when you fly on their airlines; the flight attendants can be abrasive to say the least.
    They don't get tips..........

    In some stores in the Philippines you can wait for over 30 minutes to pay for items.
    I walk out when treated like this, it is appalling to wait so long to spend money...............
    I agree regarding tips. Funny, the look on peoples faces when you dont tip them eh!
    They dont seem so helpful then do they.....
    They`re all your friends when they think they`ll be getting some money from you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by adam&chryss View Post
    I`d say Phil is like it was here years ago. Theres lots of staff to do little work. Get some fuel and theres plenty of staff there whereas here often its just a couple of people in the shop and no pump attendants. In fact some supermarkets filling stations are fully automated.
    I just want to get my bits and bobs and go. I have no interest in being pointed towards the latest thing on their sales list instead of what I really want and I HATE being pounced on as soon as I walk into a shop.
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    Yeah ... but there's a "happy medium". Quite probably it's a generational thing, as many of today's young people are conditioned into believing that self-service is the norm ... having grown-up in the Era of the Supermarket, and known little else. Take my son-in-law, for example. Born in 1973, he'll go into say, B&Q ... pick up an article for DIY use, proceed to the paypoint, present his bank card [or use chip 'n' pin] and walk out to his car. That's the way HE likes it; whereas, I much prefer there to be a member of staff on hand to direct me to the aisle in which I can expect to find the particular item(s) I need ... rather than traipse the length and breadth of some huge prefabricated warehouse searching fruitlessly for it/them, and having to depend upon overhead signs - which seldom seem to be shifted in line with the movement of relocated merchandise.

    So, from MY point of view, there's STILL a great deal to be said for the 'old fashioned' approach ... such as, "Can I help you, sir/ma'am?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by aposhark View Post
    I think that we have to commend some shops/chains for their attention to customer care. Argos make it a principle to smile at the customers.
    Mmm ... yes ... 'SOME' being the operative word! Argos are possibly more helpful than most,


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    Quote Originally Posted by aposhark View Post
    You really get to see bad service in the USA when you fly on their airlines; the flight attendants can be abrasive to say the least.
    They don't get tips..........
    ... and they don't get any from ME, either, because ... let's face it, I imagine flight attendants are well-enough paid as it is; plus they're in the relatively unique position of being able to fly all over the world - as one of the perks of their job!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post
    he'll go into say, B&Q ... pick up an article for DIY use, proceed to the paypoint, present his bank card [or use chip 'n' pin] and walk out to his car. So, from MY point of view, there's STILL a great deal to be said for the 'old fashioned' approach ... such as, "Can I help you, sir/ma'am?"
    i would of thought you would be at home going to B&Q, plenty older people working there

    to be honest argos does seem to have nicer staff, even B&Q does.

    it's just some of the lesser brand's or chain's at seem to employ the monkey's?
    i have learnt to do what my wife says!


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    Quote Originally Posted by bornatbirth View Post
    i would of thought you would be at home going to B&Q, plenty older people working there
    D'you know what amazes me? ... the number of wizened, crabbit-looking old crones to be found behind Customer Service Desks in some Superstores. It's almost as if they're installed there deliberately to deter anyone who might be daring enough to make a complaint ... and, frankly, I'm certain many of their [much] younger colleagues could teach them some decent manners!


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    they seem be a lot nicer down south with a smile on there face's, maybe they employ the grumpy one's in scotland?
    i have learnt to do what my wife says!


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    No smiles here in the midlands either Maybe its from here northwards.


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    Just been to Tescos where the spotty young man on checkout asked me if I wanted help with packing ...do I LOOK as if I need help ? I said "No thanks, this is my rucksack", to which the reply was "No problems, mate!" I could have replied but decided to leave it


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    Quote Originally Posted by jackson.alan46 View Post
    Just been to Tescos where the spotty young man on checkout asked me if I wanted help with packing ...do I LOOK as if I need help ? I said "No thanks, this is my rucksack", to which the reply was "No problems, mate!" I could have replied but decided to leave it
    What do you mean by that?...They ask everybody, if they need help packing.
    It must be their policy?
    The majority, I find in Tesco's etc. are very polite & quite cheerful, something I wouldn't be, if I was working there...Cheerful I mean.


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    yes, they do ask everybody "do you need help with your packing" but don't give you any bag's to do it

    maybe when you get older, it may seem more offensive?
    i have learnt to do what my wife says!


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    That's something I've noticed a lot lately, kids in stores calling me "mate" I think they should be taught to use "sir"


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